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So wait, am I getting this right Intel is concerned about Ryzen, which is launching soon. AMD seems on the upswing and Ryzen promises to meet or exceed expectations. Meanwhile, Intel has had massive lay offs and is going through a bit of a boondoggle while this is happening?
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FaustianQ posted:So wait, am I getting this right Thanks Obama
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EdEddnEddy posted:That is some funny stuff right there. i regret not going more in ofc shoulda just rolled a bunch of amd options too 
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Feb 8, 2017 01:10
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i mean anyone who didn't act on the perf leaks was just dumb as heck + I hedged w/ Nvidia as a play on GPUs given the DEEEEEEP LEARNING hype train is peaking and it was a good 2016
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Feb 8, 2017 01:12
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Oh god, could there be a time where even Intel has to spin off it's fabs? My understanding is that between Intel and AMD, it's only a contest because Intel has the planetary sized boat anchor known as fab expenses keeping it in check.
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Feb 8, 2017 01:34
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I love how they dismiss the amount of cores as a performance factor, just to end the paragraph highlighting the availability of a 10-core of their own. Did they issue something like that before, whenever AMD released a CPU?
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Feb 8, 2017 03:44
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Honestly I just want less hype and more real performance numbers. This Gulftown machine is showing its age.
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Feb 8, 2017 03:46
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kirtar posted:Honestly I just want less hype and more real performance numbers. This Gulftown machine is showing its age. I find it hilarious that some are more than willing to spend north of $500 for AMD that amounts to virtually imperceptible boosts over a OC 2500K for gaming purposes, but $400 for a GTX 1070? That's called Ngreedia.
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Palladium posted:I find it hilarious that some are more than willing to spend north of $500 for AMD that amounts to virtually imperceptible boosts over a OC 2500K for gaming purposes, but $400 for a GTX 1070? That's called Ngreedia. Do you always bring up these weird non sequiturs?
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"stuff like autocad and high-resolution video encoding and processing use like 1% cpu power, you will never need anything more than a Anime Schoolgirl fucked around with this message at 05:30 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Feb 8, 2017 05:25
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also people stopped caring about nvidia prices as soon as the aibs came out and made FEs irrelevant
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Like can someone find the posts in this thread where people use Ngreedia unironically while we discuss processors, or where people are seriously discussing the top model Ryzen for gaming use? Palladium please stop fighting the TPU/HardOCP/WCCFTech phantoms, this is SA.
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he'd be one of the mythical "Cult of The Salt Statue of Pentium 4" if he didn't like nvidia (which, most of us actually do like nvidia as well) but he sure is living in 2011 all the time when people still barely gave a poo poo about fanboy rivalry
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I'll actually admit to kind of liking the Pentium 4 from a morbid curiosity pov. I have an M stepping Prescott still which are apparently crazy OCers (for a Pentium 4) and I keep feeling the temptation of building a system around it to see what I'd get out of it. It's me, I'm the guy who opens the necronomicon.
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the first-gen atom processor doing the same work a bone stock prescott pentium 4 did 4 years later with 1/10 the power really impressed me at the time and i'm also similarly impressed by the N3700 being a 6w Q6600. if only they didn't cock up their atom chips for important poo poo!
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It's really need from a perspective of knowing a bit about pipelines and stuff and how insane the replay engine in the Pentium 4 is. The clock targets of the architecture were higher than a modest scheduler could handle so they had ridiculously deep pipelines and an overeager scheduler that just tried to fill up the pipelines with whatever would fit in them. The replay engine would catch the stuff that couldn't actually be executed yet and just keep throwing it at the end of the pipeline over and over until it worked. Turns out in most situations this makes your processor incredibly slow, hungry, and warm because all the execution units are being filled with the same crap they can't actually work with. NetBurst. There's a reason they eventually dropped it and went back to a microarchitecture from 8 years behind, shoved it full of new features on a then-modern node, clocked it up, and started working on more efficient and better scaling multi-core packages. e: Also there was going to be Tejas, a 150W TDP single-core Pentium 4, but the people at Intel had the good sense to throw all that crap out and release Yonah and eventually the first Conroe Core 2 chips. Kazinsal fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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I am unironically considering the 8c/16t as an upgrade to my 4.3GHz 2600k. Moar Cores.
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Im all about that single‐thread performance. More cores are tolerate so long as they dont sabotage that. 
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the first-gen atom processor doing the same work a bone stock prescott pentium 4 did 4 years later with 1/10 the power really impressed me at the time I think Intel missed the boat making socketed Atoms to compete with AMD's AM1 platform.
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FaustianQ posted:I think Intel missed the boat making socketed Atoms to compete with AMD's AM1 platform. and AMD hasn't figured out how to put beema and puma on AM1 lol so the socket is more or less pointless
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:the first-gen atom processor doing the same work a bone stock prescott pentium 4 did 4 years later with 1/10 the power really impressed me at the time What now? I had no idea the mobile Atoms had come that far, that's really impressive. Is Goldmont actually really badass and just nobody noticed? The N4200 is about 30% faster per clock than N3700, so should be the same as a 3GHz core 2 quad?!
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:it's a tiny margin part either way and most people in that market never upgrade their CPU and just want something that's cheap and can play facebook games AM1 has been effectively replaced by A300 and A320 boards, it's just up to AMD to make 14nm Puma++ cores to put in them. But yeah it was a tragedy AMD never really supported AM1 enough.
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Twerk from Home posted:What now? I had no idea the mobile Atoms had come that far, that's really impressive. Is Goldmont actually really badass and just nobody noticed? The N4200 is about 30% faster per clock than N3700, so should be the same as a 3GHz core 2 quad?!  what's killing the game performance though is that you can only run cards on pcie x1 throughout the atom-desktop line so the fastest card you can use is maybe a 750ti and it'll be bus-limited while the am1 athlon 5350 can saturate up to an rx 470 or 1060 3gb
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http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331317&page_number=2 Apparently Zen cores are smaller than the competing Intel cores (I presume broadwell?)
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FaustianQ posted:AM1 has been effectively replaced by A300 and A320 boards, it's just up to AMD to make 14nm Puma++ cores to put in them. But yeah it was a tragedy AMD never really supported AM1 enough. AMDs roadmaps show Raven Ridge covering the whole 6-35w range, so we probably won't see much done with cat cores besides shrinking them for console SoCs. PerrineClostermann posted:http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331317&page_number=2 2 MB L3/core would point to Skylake, I think.
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PerrineClostermann posted:I am unironically considering the 8c/16t as an upgrade to my 4.3GHz 2600k. Moar Cores. Same, but 4.4/2500K. Also happy that I bought 300 shares of AMD at $9, although tempered a bit by the fact that I got skittish and put in a sell order for 100 of them over the weekend right before they jumped another $1.50. At least I've locked in some gains so I won't get completely washed out if Ryzen is somehow a bust and they drop like a rock though.
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Eletriarnation posted:Same, but 4.4/2500K. Also happy that I bought 300 shares of AMD at $9, although tempered a bit by the fact that I got skittish and put in a sell order for 100 of them over the weekend right before they jumped another $1.50. At least I've locked in some gains so I won't get completely washed out if Ryzen is somehow a bust and they drop like a rock though.
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PerrineClostermann posted:I am unironically considering the 8c/16t as an upgrade to my 4.3GHz 2600k. Moar Cores. I am you, you are me  
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PerrineClostermann posted:http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331317&page_number=2 It's not entirely clear if that's comparing the entire die including the iGPU. That said the more compact cache footprint suggests it might be excluding the GPU. kirtar fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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kirtar posted:It's not entirely clear if that's comparing the entire die including the iGPU. That said the more compact cache footprint suggests it might be excluding the GPU. It's just 4 cores + shared L3 cache.The full Ryzen die is ~190mm2.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:yeah, it uses 12w though, but still pretty Thats pretty insane. I'd like to see a side by side personally but I don't doubt that they have gotten this good. Unfortunate about the stupid PCI-E limit though. An Unlocked Atom to mess with and OC would be kind of fun too. Since you could get a Q6600 to around 3.6Ghz with a little finesse, an atom at that speed would be pretty amazing if the power usage can be kept in check. Reminds me of the old Pentium DC's back then. E2180 1.6ghz of fury that you could push to 3.6Ghz+ and get within striking distance of OC'ed E6600's for like $60 vs $200~
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Anyone ever struggled to physically install a graphics card? New rx480 wont sit in the slot on the board. It fits the case, my 780 fit like a piece of toast. This thing gets in the slot and justbwont click when i line it up and push down. What am i doing wrong do i need amd grease
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Anyone ever struggled to physically install a graphics card? New rx480 wont sit in the slot on the board. It fits the case, my 780 fit like a piece of toast. This thing gets in the slot and justbwont click when i line it up and push down. What am i doing wrong do i need amd grease Does your PCIE slot have a little catch, that pops up when the card is removed? Make sure it's open.
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Surprise Giraffe posted:Anyone ever struggled to physically install a graphics card? New rx480 wont sit in the slot on the board. It fits the case, my 780 fit like a piece of toast. This thing gets in the slot and justbwont click when i line it up and push down. What am i doing wrong do i need amd grease Get a mobile phone and set it to record a video while you are installing the card from board level. Review this video to see whats going wrong.
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Its the drat prongs on the backplate, they wont go through the slots on my cases backplate. They look slightly bent. Guess thats ebay for you. Wondered why it was £195 for this thing
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First Ryzen price leaks? https://www.techpowerup.com/230483/amds-ryzen-r7-8-core-16-thread-processor-prices-outed-for-europe R7 1800X 8C/16T 4.0Ghz 599.99 (i7 6900K: 1109)  R7 1700X 8C/16T 3.8GHz 439.99 (i7 7700K/6800K: 360/450) R7 1700 8C/16T 3.7GHz 389.95 (i7 7700: 330)
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Yeah, that was including the VAT of approximately 20%, so $500 for the top SKU isn't out of the question in the US.
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eames posted:First Ryzen price leaks? The only thing you get for more than 200 euros more is 300mhz? Ha, gently caress that.
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Twerk from Home posted:The only thing you get for more than 200 euros more is 300mhz? Ha, gently caress that. The question is how aggressively they're binned.
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