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I think that if you're in a hotel where you need a browser to access wifi, you can just log in with your phone, then create a wifi hotspot with said phone and connect from the Switch. It's easy enough, but it's still a really weird idea to have a tablet-like device that has no browser or netflix functionality. Also, my wife will be pissed she can't watch Netflix on it because I traded the WiiU, her Netflix box, in to get a Switch and now it won't have Netflix.
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Natron posted:I think that if you're in a hotel where you need a browser to access wifi, you can just log in with your phone, then create a wifi hotspot with said phone and connect from the Switch. That doesn't work.
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Natron posted:I think that if you're in a hotel where you need a browser to access wifi, you can just log in with your phone, then create a wifi hotspot with said phone and connect from the Switch. Your phone is using its Wifi antenna to either connect to wifi or produce the hotspot, not both.
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Feb 8, 2017 19:44
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Reggie, the kind of control you're attempting simply is... it's not possible. If there is one thing the history of Nintendo handhelds has taught us it's that ROMs will not be contained. ROMs break free, it expands to new consoles and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously, but, uh... well, there it is.  PerrineClostermann posted:Nintendo 3DS saves are encrypted with your console's unique identifier, which you cannot retrieve without hacking it. You can't just download a hacked save and load it up like you could a PSP. You've always had to use some other method to inject hacked saves to the 3DS. So yeah, there's that. True for digital games, not for cartridge titles. Though Cubic Ninja did require the QR code to load the files off the SD, I wouldn't doubt if people find methods into the Switch with amiibo spoofers or whatever.
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A few months back Nintendo put a ad out for hackers to come in and try to get into the 3DS/Wii-U. What are the odds that was a dummy ad and they were actually trying to get people in to try to crack the Switch?
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Natron posted:I think that if you're in a hotel where you need a browser to access wifi, you can just log in with your phone, then create a wifi hotspot with said phone and connect from the Switch. Try this and report back.
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PerrineClostermann posted:Your phone is using its Wifi antenna to either connect to wifi or produce the hotspot, not both. Well that sucks then. I think I must be thinking of physically tethering, which would also not work with the Switch. Hopefully they get their poo poo together and this is just something that's missing at launch, not forever.
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Feb 8, 2017 19:49
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:A few months back Nintendo put a ad out for hackers to come in and try to get into the 3DS/Wii-U. I feel like we'd know more about the Switch if this was the case Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Feb 8, 2017 19:48
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It's a given that any console is going to get hacked eventually, the point of reducing attack vectors is to delay when that "eventually" happens
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s.i.r.e. posted:True for digital games, not for cartridge titles. Though Cubic Ninja did require the QR code to load the files off the SD, I wouldn't doubt if people find methods into the Switch with amiibo spoofers or whatever. Cartridges don't really allow you to import saves to them. Ocarina of Time was a popular game to use as an entrypoint, but getting the save to the cart was the hard part, so you'd still need a hack somewhere first. As for Cubic Ninja, wasn't it a flaw in how it loaded levels? And the QR codes were just level data. Yeah, that's a pretty big attack vector. I think Amiibos are signed, though. I looked into Amiibo spoofing once, people have done it with certain NFC tags.
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The current process of getting homebrew to work on a 3DS tedious and scary enough that most people aren't going to do it. For the Regular DS, you just order a sketchy flashcart off the internet, throw some games on an SD card and you're stealing. The process for 3DS involves downloading around 20 files, moving files around, doing things on the 3DS, taking the SD card in and out and then there are several steps where you get warnings like "DON'T DO THIS THING OR YOU WILL BRICK YOUR DS, IMMEDIATELY MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP." I think that's obfuscated enough that someone who really wants to steal games will, and any casual is going to look at this and say "Eh, I'll just buy an eshop card." Nintendo will probably succeed at protecting the switch as long as the homebrew process isn't just "go to the URL and homebrew channel installs itself and you can download whatever game you want for free."
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TheScott2K posted:Just have a browser, it's not that hard. gently caress Ok. gently caress I never said not to. gently caress I was asking if you needed one to sign into wifi. gently caress Others, including Nintendo, seem to think it's not worth the trouble to include. gently caress Do you have anything constructive to add to the conversation or do you just want to say gently caress?
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:A few months back Nintendo put a ad out for hackers to come in and try to get into the 3DS/Wii-U. Nah, those were bounties. There are a lot of freelance white hat hackers who will take the opportunity to hack. Hell, the person who cracked open the Wii U didn't own a single game for it. For them, hardware hacking is the game.
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The Switch will have a web browser but it will be called "Web Bowser"
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Cojawfee posted:The current process of getting homebrew to work on a 3DS tedious and scary enough that most people aren't going to do it. For the Regular DS, you just order a sketchy flashcart off the internet, throw some games on an SD card and you're stealing. The process for 3DS involves downloading around 20 files, moving files around, doing things on the 3DS, taking the SD card in and out and then there are several steps where you get warnings like "DON'T DO THIS THING OR YOU WILL BRICK YOUR DS, IMMEDIATELY MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP." I think that's obfuscated enough that someone who really wants to steal games will, and any casual is going to look at this and say "Eh, I'll just buy an eshop card." Nintendo will probably succeed at protecting the switch as long as the homebrew process isn't just "go to the URL and homebrew channel installs itself and you can download whatever game you want for free." That's effectively how the Wii got hacked (at one point, anyway, iirc), and that's how Homebrew (not piracy) worked on the 3DS for a while. And it's how the Vita works. Honestly the 3DS hacking setup has gotten extremely simplified in the last few months, and once it's done the "user experience" is quite clean and simple. I don't think it's a matter of the degree to which you must make an active effort to hack, I think it's just the fact you have to make an effort that keeps people from doing it. The iPhone/iPod literally "click on this website, you're jailbroken" for a while and it didn't really take off with the general populace either. The population of people who care enough about their devices to think about how they work and do more than "tap and play" is not very big these days. as an aside, apparently Nintendo just nuked Homebrew in the latest 3DS update, but left Piracy alone 
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No camera on the Switch, right? No QR codes then.
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Phimosissy posted:Ok. gently caress Oooooowee
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devtesla posted:No camera on the Switch, right? No QR codes then. just user your phone stupid!
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PerrineClostermann posted:As for Cubic Ninja, wasn't it a flaw in how it loaded levels? And the QR codes were just level data. Yeah, that's a pretty big attack vector. Yeah but I think at some part during the process you inject the messed up save or something onto the cartridge itself and now the cartridge is a permanent entry point (until it was patched in a later firmware I think). I wonder if the same thing will happen where all it takes it one person with a modded cartridge and corrupt save to pass around to open it up. Cojawfee posted:The current process of getting homebrew to work on a 3DS tedious and scary enough that most people aren't going to do it. For the Regular DS, you just order a sketchy flashcart off the internet, throw some games on an SD card and you're stealing. The process for 3DS involves downloading around 20 files, moving files around, doing things on the 3DS, taking the SD card in and out and then there are several steps where you get warnings like "DON'T DO THIS THING OR YOU WILL BRICK YOUR DS, IMMEDIATELY MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP." I think that's obfuscated enough that someone who really wants to steal games will, and any casual is going to look at this and say "Eh, I'll just buy an eshop card." Nintendo will probably succeed at protecting the switch as long as the homebrew process isn't just "go to the URL and homebrew channel installs itself and you can download whatever game you want for free." It's been really simplified since and is pretty streamlined, though I don't suspect most people will want to do it, instead they'll pay someone $50 to do it for them and just benefits of poo poo like Freeshop.
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Piracy will be real easy on Switch. To play NES games, you just use your phone to download an NES emulator and play games on that.
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Cojawfee posted:The current process of getting homebrew to work on a 3DS tedious and scary enough that most people aren't going to do it. For the Regular DS, you just order a sketchy flashcart off the internet, throw some games on an SD card and you're stealing. The process for 3DS involves downloading around 20 files, moving files around, doing things on the 3DS, taking the SD card in and out and then there are several steps where you get warnings like "DON'T DO THIS THING OR YOU WILL BRICK YOUR DS, IMMEDIATELY MOVE TO THE NEXT STEP." I think that's obfuscated enough that someone who really wants to steal games will, and any casual is going to look at this and say "Eh, I'll just buy an eshop card." Nintendo will probably succeed at protecting the switch as long as the homebrew process isn't just "go to the URL and homebrew channel installs itself and you can download whatever game you want for free." Wii is the greatest homebrew console of all time. I'm going to have that fucker until my deathbed.
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Big news, Switch only having 32gb of onboard memory is no longer a concern, as you will be able to back up your files with a password system based on several 6x6 grids with blue and red dots.
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the Wii mode of a Wii U is just as easy as well, and it's worth it for nintendont
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I'm at this point seriously considering attempting to get an early-model Switch because of the hacking potential. Not that I know what I'd do with whatever eventual hacks come up, but because I'd then have more options of what I could do with the hardware. I've hacked just about all my systems on principle. I think the most use I've gotten out of the hacks is on the 3DS -- I installed some games I bought to the SD card so I didn't have to carry them around, I got to randomize the spawns in and massively increase the difficulty of Pokemon, and I got to play a few games with Japanese audio because the English dubs bothered me. If I don't get a first-generation Switch then I won't get first-generation hacks, which means I won't have that shiny useless badge of honor for the few years it takes for hacks to do anything meaningful.
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Wii homebrewers: Windows XP running on my Wii? I don't see why not
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PerrineClostermann posted:as an aside, apparently Nintendo just nuked Homebrew in the latest 3DS update, but left Piracy alone I suspect they don't have any real way to prevent piracy without breaking the eShop entirely, with the way tickets work. And with the firmware version checks in 11.3, it'll be harder for anyone with an updated 3DS to get to the point of being able to pirate stuff.
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Hammer Bro. posted:I'm at this point seriously considering attempting to get an early-model Switch because of the hacking potential. Not that I know what I'd do with whatever eventual hacks come up, but because I'd then have more options of what I could do with the hardware. Buying full price hardware in the hope that someone someday will figure out how to hack it for you doesn't seem smart.
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Phantasium posted:Big news, Switch only having 32gb of onboard memory is no longer a concern, as you will be able to back up your files with a password system based on several 6x6 grids with blue and red dots. Megaman system was still better than Metroid, especially for kids. Is that a zero or an o? 5 or s? 1 or L? drat THIS PASSWORD IS USELESS HOURS OF GAMEPLAY GONE thanks, Justin Bailey, whoever the hell you are!
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I need to find a good tech sling bag that can hold a switch case + like one whole sandwich and a water bottle. Nothing more
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Feb 8, 2017 21:36
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Why not just get a switch case with a sandwich slot, attach your own strap and then get a water bottle with a carabiner to attach to the strap?
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What kinda sandwich we talkin' here? Like a PB&J or like a sub?
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Feb 8, 2017 21:42
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Just a standard 6 foot party sub
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Feb 8, 2017 21:42
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TheScott2K posted:Just a standard 6 foot party sub Gotta wear the XXL cargo pockets today, then
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I'm getting a sheka slate whatzit bag from the super edition of the zelda, the sandwhich is whatever link is eating so i can eat when link is eating. need a small go bag for the case and a lil bit more.
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Feb 8, 2017 21:54
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I hope the Switch has netflix, the gamepad on my Wii U was used a lot as house portable netflix
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Feb 8, 2017 21:59
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I hope the Switch has Crunchyroll
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bowmore posted:I hope the Switch has netflix, the gamepad on my Wii U was used a lot as house portable netflix Did something happen to it?
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I can't imagine wanting another device that I can use for Netflix. Like if you plan to use a console for Netflix and the Switch is your only console and doesn't support Netflix, just buy a Chromecast and download the Netflix app on your phone.
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Someone earlier in the thread wanted Shadows of the Empire on the Switch, well it just got released on Steam today so maybe there's a chance?
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