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Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Wild Horses posted:

huge loss, he was a good and funny guy working with statistics. a unicorn if you will

Also a guy that pointed out that Sweden spent more money than the entire UNHCR on our relatively small amount of refugees/immigrants.

A loss regardless, apparently pancreatic cancer diagnosed 1.5 years ago, which explains why we haven't seen so much of him.
Cancer is a truly awful disease in so many ways.

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widunder
May 2, 2002

Cardiac posted:

Also a guy that pointed out that Sweden spent more money than the entire UNHCR on our relatively small amount of refugees/immigrants.

A loss regardless, apparently pancreatic cancer diagnosed 1.5 years ago, which explains why we haven't seen so much of him.
Cancer is a truly awful disease in so many ways.
hey turns out that he didn't disappear from the limelight because he was banned from appearing in the lamestream media after concurring with SD that local aid to countries plagued by war is a good thing

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!

widunder posted:

hey turns out that he didn't disappear from the limelight because he was banned from appearing in the lamestream media after concurring with SD that local aid to countries plagued by war is a good thing

I'm sure there's a flashback gently caress who argues that he was injected with cancercells by the vänsterfeministpksnowflakemaffian.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Four Danish teenagers tried to burn a 16-year-old Afghan boy alive. He was in critical condition for a couple of hours with third-degree burns on the lower half of his body, but thankfully survived. The national broadcaster did not mention the perpetrators' ethnicity at all during coverage and B.T. just managed a tiny Ritzau telegram on page 17 today. Had the roles been reversed, this would have been frontpage news for a week and the right would have been exploiting this to its fullest potential.

Oh wait, they're trying that anyway.



I managed to swim through the vast ocean of crocodile tears and translate it:

quote:

Ugh! Four Danish boys start to act like ISIS. To burn somebody alive is not something we've ever associated with a Danish cultural background. What will be next? Danish thugs who throw acid in the face of a girl with a different background? Danish youths armed with machetes? Five Danish boys rape a Muslim girl? Demand proof of virginity. Burning down mosques? This is not the kind of cultural import we want in Denmark. Very frightening. :cry: Poor Afghan boy. :cry:

Ignoring for a minute that our probably most famous King burned a ton of witches at the stake, gently caress you, and also there's been several arson attacks against mosques and a cemetery has been vandalised twice.

Edit:



The school principal offered the opinion that the boys didn't know the consequences of their actions. I'm pretty sure I knew that a molotov could loving kill somebody at 15.

SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Feb 8, 2017

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Fire hot? Fire kill? :confused:

BigglesSWE
Dec 2, 2014

How 'bout them hawks news huh!

SplitSoul posted:



The school principal offered the opinion that the boys didn't know the consequences of their actions. I'm pretty sure I knew that a molotov could loving kill somebody at 15.

Kinda like that court case in Texas when a teenager who killed some folks while drunk and driving was let go because the judge felt that he didn't fully understand the consequences of his actions, being filthy rich and had never taken responsibilities before.

FFS if you're old enough to hate people of different skincolors, then you sure as gently caress are old enough to understand that people who are burnt aren't quite as healthy as before.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

The principal literally offered sympathies to the victim as well as the perpetrators, pleading ignorance to the apparently long-running conflict between the boys, despite the fact that the victim had been physically attacked at least five times prior to this, once seriously enough to warrant a conviction for another student.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

SplitSoul posted:

The principal literally offered sympathies to the victim as well as the perpetrators, pleading ignorance to the apparently long-running conflict between the boys, despite the fact that the victim had been physically attacked at least five times prior to this, once seriously enough to warrant a conviction for another student.

It's really the archetypal bullied bullying going out of control situation with the adults being fully complicit through their inaction.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
Aaaaand the people have spoken. First poll after AKB try to lead the Moderates to the promised land with the Swedish Democrats:

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/moderaterna-stortdyker/

Down 6%, which is more than I could hope for. In a way it really brings back a little bit of my belief in my fellow countrymen. If this continues, the daggers are coming out in a way we haven't seen since Juholt.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Wow I was right, what a surprise. It's not like KD and right-wing parties in several other EU nations already tried this with no success. :rolleyes:

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!
Watch Annie loving Lööf, of "legalizing polygamy is a high priority for us" fame, bleed out Reinfeldts gains. I would not have suspected this four years ago.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Ayn Rand is vindicated at last

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

You guys do a whole lot of extrapolation due to just one poll that just happens to fit your worldview.

While the loss for M is noticeable, the question whether it will have a long-term effect remains to be seen.
L and C are still living in la-la land when it comes to change of ruling coalition, where the terms still haven't changed.
1.5 years before election is still a very long time.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Speaking of extrapolation, no one has commented on the long-term effects, the next election or what L or C will do next though? Who are you even responding to?

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

SplitSoul posted:

The principal literally offered sympathies to the victim as well as the perpetrators, pleading ignorance to the apparently long-running conflict between the boys, despite the fact that the victim had been physically attacked at least five times prior to this, once seriously enough to warrant a conviction for another student.
From what I've heard of another school sorta in the same area, the school administration just pretends like they don't have a bunch of pupils dealing drugs in and around the school, and I would be surprised if that attitude wasn't a general issue. Just pretend like everything is fine, hope for the best, and then just deny deny deny if poo poo hits the fan.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Cardiac posted:

You guys do a whole lot of extrapolation due to just one poll that just happens to fit your worldview.

While the loss for M is noticeable, the question whether it will have a long-term effect remains to be seen.
L and C are still living in la-la land when it comes to change of ruling coalition, where the terms still haven't changed.
1.5 years before election is still a very long time.

Expressen's editorial is already calling for a desperate party leader shift while there's time before the next election. And M has been slipping in the polls for a long time, which led to the sudden invitation to SD. But yes, she's totally going to turn this around. Being branded "the worst party leader since Juholt" (by right wing media!) is actually good for her public image.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Batra has been a Sahlin scale disaster for M.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

MiddleOne posted:

Batra has been a Sahlin scale disaster for M.

So better than Lövven and Juholt then?

lilljonas posted:

Expressen's editorial is already calling for a desperate party leader shift while there's time before the next election. And M has been slipping in the polls for a long time, which led to the sudden invitation to SD. But yes, she's totally going to turn this around. Being branded "the worst party leader since Juholt" (by right wing media!) is actually good for her public image.

Well, it gives them clicks so that is a good idea for Expressen.
Changing party leader doesn't change squat, neither the left or the right will have a majority come next election (given current polls), so unless something happens with regards to party block disruptions, the current situation will remain.
Annie Lööf is the FOTM party leader and like MP before her, media cherry-pick parts of what she says and disregards the rest. Her Ayn Rand-wankery is hardly that popular outside certain circles.

Speaking of C, I wonder how many of their current supporters have gone the route MP->M->C, cause in a way that is a pretty dramatic change in political views.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

MiddleOne posted:

Batra has been a Sahlin scale disaster for M.

To put it in numbers:

Voter's views of who see as the leader for Alliansen:

2016
Batra 49%
Lööf 11%

2017
Batra 26%
Lööf 36%

You have to go back to Thorbjörn Fälldin (79-81) to find a time where M was not the leaders of the right wing in Sweden. AKB's downward slide is amazing not just because it's so fast, but because it's an unexpected yet huge power shift in the right wing. Not just in number of voters, but in voter's confidence in which party is expected to lead their collective cause.


Cardiac posted:

So better than Lövven and Juholt then?


Well, it gives them clicks so that is a good idea for Expressen.
Changing party leader doesn't change squat, neither the left or the right will have a majority come next election (given current polls), so unless something happens with regards to party block disruptions, the current situation will remain.
Annie Lööf is the FOTM party leader and like MP before her, media cherry-pick parts of what she says and disregards the rest. Her Ayn Rand-wankery is hardly that popular outside certain circles.

Speaking of C, I wonder how many of their current supporters have gone the route MP->M->C, cause in a way that is a pretty dramatic change in political views.

You can't even compare AKB and Löfvén, as the latter is actually gaining a little in the latest voter's confidence polls. But yeah, she's dangerously close to the Juholt area, where she's damned if she does, and damned if she don't. Pretty much she's under attack internally, externally, and from both the left and right of her party. It's not a nice seat.

Actually, in this case a party leader shift could help M, as they could use AKB as a sacrificial lamb, and blame a small subset of the party (the most rightwing ones), and try to win back the more moderate voters by shutting the door to SD after they kick AKB through it. After all, there's still a large group within M who are remaining yet still very unhappy with the collaboration with SD.

Lööf is in a great position as she can just say "look at us we're not M", and keep gaining votes. She won't rock the boat with any of C's more absurd positions, as she doesn't need to and she learned early on that they don't have wide popular support.

lilljonas fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Feb 9, 2017

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

lilljonas posted:

To put it in numbers:

Voter's views of who see as the leader for Alliansen:

2016
Batra 49%
Lööf 11%

2017
Batra 26%
Lööf 36%

You have to go back to Thorbjörn Fälldin (79-81) to find a time where M was not the leaders of the right wing in Sweden. AKB's downward slide is amazing not just because it's so fast, but because it's an unexpected yet huge power shift in the right wing. Not just in number of voters, but in voter's confidence in which party is expected to lead their collective cause.

There have also been a pretty dramatic decrease in voter's confidence in politicians in general as well.
Lövvens figures are pretty depressing as well if I recall correctly.

Fox Cunning
Jun 21, 2006

salt-induced orgasm in the mouth
C is the new MP, they will shatter when in contact with the real world.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Fox Cunning posted:

C is the new MP, they will shatter when in contact with the real world.

Come on, you can dislike Annie Lööf for her batshit politics all you want but unlike Åsa and Fridolin she actually managed to reach the finish line during the last election without imploding voter confidence in her party.

lilljonas
May 6, 2007

We got crabs? We got crabs!

Cardiac posted:

There have also been a pretty dramatic decrease in voter's confidence in politicians in general as well.
Lövvens figures are pretty depressing as well if I recall correctly.

No, really Cardiac, stop guessing numbers. Here are the latest confidence polls, where Löfvén's are pointing up, and are higher than AKB's numbers:

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/gladjesiffror-for-stefan-lofven/

Fox Cunning
Jun 21, 2006

salt-induced orgasm in the mouth

MiddleOne posted:

Come on, you can dislike Annie Lööf for her batshit politics all you want but unlike Åsa and Fridolin she actually managed to reach the finish line during the last election without imploding voter confidence in her party.

True, but if she's the new queen all eyes will be on her and she won't stand in Reinfeldts and Borgs shadow. Confidence is bad if you're crazy.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

MiddleOne posted:

Come on, you can dislike Annie Lööf for her batshit politics all you want but unlike Åsa and Fridolin she actually managed to reach the finish line during the last election without imploding voter confidence in her party.

Well, she also lost last election so she didn't have to take responsibility for the crazy stuff.

lilljonas posted:

No, really Cardiac, stop guessing numbers. Here are the latest confidence polls, where Löfvén's are pointing up, and are higher than AKB's numbers:

http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/gladjesiffror-for-stefan-lofven/

Eh, I was speaking on a historic level. 32% is pretty bad for a sitting prime minister.
I had more confidence in Persson than I have had for Lövven so far.
Especially since Persson (of all people) managed to have confidence limits of 61%. :psyduck:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

You can't compare a center leaders numbers during the decade of Tony Blair to one in 2017, we're operating on a playing field lightyears away from that reality.

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

MiddleOne posted:

You can't compare a center leaders numbers during the decade of Tony Blair to one in 2017, we're operating on a playing field lightyears away from that reality.

We are also living in the reality where Donald Trump is the president of USA, so I would say all comparisons in regards to political playing fields are pretty far out there.

My view of the situation is pretty much the same as known political extremist commentator Viktor Barth-Kroon at the extreme centrist newspaper DN.

https://www.facebook.com/viktor.barthkron/posts/10158156686665048

VBK posted:

vå mätningar visar chocklåga siffror för Moderaterna, efter de senaste veckornas vals om SD-samarbete. 18,5 i Demoskop och 19,8 i Sifo. Centern ångar samtidigt på som tåget (i ett land med fungerande infrastruktur) och får tvåsiffrigt hos både Sifo och Demoskop.
Så! Två hastiga regnskurar på den förutsägbara analysens parad:
1. Moderaternas 19,8 procent i Sifo är tre tiondelar mer än vad motsvarigheten i Danmark (Venstre) fick i folketingsvalet 2015. Efter det valet bildade Venstre regering själva, stödd av Dansk Folkeparti på ena sidan och på andra sidan liberaler i mitten.
Det betyder förstås inte att det är en fördel att tappa väljare, men 18 eller 24 procent behöver inte spela så stor roll om den parlamentariska strukturen består. Det vill säga den struktur vi har sedan valet 2014, som de har i Danmark och som alla mätningar – även dagens Sifo och Demoskop – säger att vi kommer att ha även efter nästa val här. Låt oss hedra Fälldin och kalla det "icke-socialistisk majoritet".
De som mejslat ut Moderaternas nya strategi har naturligtvis stenkoll på det danska scenariot.
2. Apropå nämnda parlamentariska struktur: Även om Centerpartiet skulle stjäla *samtliga* väljare från Moderaterna så kommer de enligt dessa och alla andra mätningar fortfarande att, på ett eller annat sätt, behöva välja mellan SD och S. Om de vill få något gjort, alltså.
Observera att "välja" här inte nödvändigtvis betyder "bilda regering med". De danska liberalerna har valt, genom att sitta i eller samarbeta med en regering som också samarbetar med DF. Om hela alliansen skulle sätta sig med S som exempelvis budgetpartner är det också ett val. Som det låter är det detta som ligger närmast till hands för C (om än inte för M och KD). Men sedan krånglar de till det.
Centerpartisternas mantra lyder "om alliansen blir större än de rödgröna så bildar vi regering", och det låter ju rimligt, i alla fall om man glömmer bort att de själva var med och sade upp Decemberöverenskommelsen.
Såhär är det: Stefan Löfven tänker inte leka DÖ. Han kommer att göra vad han kan för att få inflytande, som sossar alltid gjort och alltid kommer att göra. Som de flesta partier gör. Det har han varit mycket tydlig med, både i ord och handling (minns budgetkalabaliken hösten 2013, när de rödgröna stoppade skattesänkningar ihop med SD).
Jimmie Åkesson har å sin sida gjort mycket klart att SD inte tänker stötta en regering som de inte får inflytande över. Den som till äventyrs tvivlar på att han menar allvar kan ju minnas ett sms med innehållet "give 'em hell" (budgetkalabaliken 2014).
Så visst. Alliansen kanske skulle kunna bilda regering, om man på något sätt får riksdagen att släppa igenom den. Men när de har gjort det kommer det sannolikt räcka med att SD röstar på S förslag i riksdagen, för att stoppa det alliansregeringen då vill syssla med.
Att tro att S i det läget avstår från att lägga förslag är mycket naivt. Att tro att SD inte kommer att utnyttja möjligheten när den bjuds är bara korkat.
Det om detta. Vi lär få anledning att återkomma.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Cardiac posted:

So better than Lövven and Juholt then?

Cardiac posted:

I had more confidence in Persson than I have had for Lövven so far.

Cardiac posted:

Lövvens figures are pretty depressing as well if I recall correctly.

*Löfven

Cardiac
Aug 28, 2012

Beeswax posted:

*Löfven

There are too many Löfven, Lööf, Lövin in Swedish politics.

Beeswax
Dec 29, 2005

Grimey Drawer
Agreed 100%

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

I don't know about you guys, I'm Lövv'in it

Government Handjob
Nov 1, 2004

Gudbrandsglasnost
College Slice
Oh, for the Lööf of God...

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Löfving out loud. :D

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Sweden, lööf it or leave it.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011




Lööf med sirup på.

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

Lövin you girl is such a lonely feeling
whatever I say or do I'll always be lost in youuu

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

*wee'd

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

So parliament decided that Blut und Boden is the way forward.

quote:

Folketinget konstaterer med bekymring, at der i dag er områder i Danmark, hvor andelen af indvandrere og efterkommere fra ikkevestlige lande er over 50 pct. Det er Folketingets opfattelse, at danskere ikke bør være i mindretal i boligområder i Danmark.

quote:

Parliament notes with worry that there are neighbourhoods in Denmark where the percentage of immigrants from non-western countries and their descendants is greater than 50%. It is the opinion of parliament that Danes should not be a minority in Danish residential areas.

You might have been born here, grown up here, never left the country, speak only Danish, have a "proper" (white) Danish parent, be a legal citizen and have passed language and citizenship tests with flying colours, but you're still not a Dane according to parliament.

Even better, Syrian refugee Naser Khader voted for it, all the while insisting that he is Danish.

SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Feb 13, 2017

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Fruits of the sea
Dec 1, 2010

What is that guy's deal anyways.

You missed one important detail:

quote:

the percentage of immigrants and their descendants from non-western countries is greater than 50%

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