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So here's a fun anecdote: started a game on a spiral galaxy, got plonked down in a middle arm. To my spinward side are cool ice elves, next arm in on the core side are awesome tentacle bros. Really great relationship, mutually beneficial all around. But later on I find a pack of dickhole bird lords one arm in from my exact position. They don't respect democratic ideals and appear to hate are freedoms. We've been talking poo poo for years, so I decided to gently caress with them by dropping colonies right next door, that way they're completely boxed in by squidmen on one side and a contingent of elves, slugs, and my own god fearing googly eyed mushroom guys. Works great, got some great planets, and they're so loving pissed. Pissed enough to slow boat a warp drive over and put an outpost on a key hyperlane route that totally blocks me off from any other decent planets. gently caress. I figure I'll have to declare war and bust that loving thing, but here is the interesting part: their fleet capacity is poo poo, but their tech is superior. Kinda nervous but excited to start this thing. Also I found them when I was doing the cult event chain -- 2/3 of the cultists spawned in their territory, they instantly closed borders and blew up the big ship themselves. Fuckers. Ps one of the planets I colonized had the ancient terriforming machines, I reactivated them, and the planet completed the process to become... the same type? Huh. Anyway I got a good feeling that the giant alpine Venus fly traps I uplifted will be a major deciding factor that proves I should own the bird worlds. It was interesting that I uplifted then from stream power and with maybe two months to go they started flocking towards my enclaves because they were so psyched for space. It put me to 118/100 uplifted and I had to wait another month for it to finalize anyway. They're good people and like the majority of my empire hate clothes.
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Bloodly posted:I'm not saying you should be able to play without a fleet After my last game (charismatic secretary birds, they smell like sugar and spice, gonna submit to goon pack ha), where I somehow ended up dead poo poo last in fleet tech, but galaxy dominant in army tech, I would be interested in playing thru a run where that could be a very valid strategy instead of a dead end. (Well, it made all my planets impregnable fortresses with no real effort, but it wasn't something that could be used offensively). Basically, if you get one decent army tech you're army-good, but you're going to have to get several times more comparable fleet techs to be fleet-good. I'd welcome some kind of way to make it possible that any mix and match combo of that is the same level of empire-good. I guess the extreme level on one side would be Godzilla stepping thru a stargate, and the other side would be surgically vitrifying all opposition without leaving the comfort of the ship
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Feb 9, 2017 07:52
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Gonna even triple post, you can't stop me.
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Feb 9, 2017 07:55
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GunnerJ posted:Another good thread title contender imo. Yeah it's time for this thread title to embrace this. Man I'm really fiending for some Stellaris right now, but want to wait for 1.5. Anyone else in the same boat? Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 08:02 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 07:57
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Yeah it's time for this thread title to embrace this. yes
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Feb 9, 2017 08:12
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So I just found out you can get Sentient AI before Droids. That makes no sense but I'm all for it. Bring on the AI Rebellion!
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Feb 9, 2017 08:15
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Maybe the sentient AIs are bound to massive mainframes and haven't been miniaturised into a humanoid package yet?
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Feb 9, 2017 08:19
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3 DONG HORSE posted:So I just found out you can get Sentient AI before Droids. That makes no sense but I'm all for it. Bring on the AI Rebellion! you still need synthetics for the robot rebellion to kick off. sentient ai is just a stepping stone to them.
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Feb 9, 2017 08:19
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Man I'm really fiending for some Stellaris right now, but want to wait for 1.5. Anyone else in the same boat?  I'm hoping they'll announce a release date tomorrow so I'll know how long I have to hold out, but I guess I shouldn't expect to be so lucky.
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Feb 9, 2017 08:22
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Anticheese posted:Maybe the sentient AIs are bound to massive mainframes and haven't been miniaturised into a humanoid package yet? Touche, sir. Roobanguy posted:you still need synthetics for the robot rebellion to kick off. sentient ai is just a stepping stone to them. Dang, I was really hoping for an insanely early crisis to hit.
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Feb 9, 2017 09:07
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Sentient AI isn't even a dangerous technology. The dangerous tech is Self-aware AI. Which sort of implies the sentient AI aren't actually self aware. Though I think someone pointed out before Paradox is using the concept of sentience and self awareness slightly incorrectly. Edit: oh no it was the other way around, self awareness comes before sentience and sentient AI is a dangerous tech. Kitchner fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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Feb 9, 2017 09:59
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Sentient doesn't mean what most people use the word to mean. Sentient just means it responds to the senses. Sapient is the ability to think and reason. A Sentient AI would be able to respond to inputs in a non-deterministic way, but wouldn't truly be self-aware and able to reason through abstract principles.
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Feb 9, 2017 10:08
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Zurai posted:Sentient doesn't mean what most people use the word to mean. Sentient just means it responds to the senses. Sapient is the ability to think and reason. A Sentient AI would be able to respond to inputs in a non-deterministic way, but wouldn't truly be self-aware and able to reason through abstract principles. That's why someone pointed out Paradox is wrong here, Sentient AI should come first and be followed by Self-Aware AI. Having the better thing come first makes no goddamn sense.
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Feb 9, 2017 11:03
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Fun development fact! Sapience is the more correct term for self-awareness and higher cognition, but "sentience" is an extremely common mis-conflation of the concept in sci-fi works. We had a brief discussion about it within the team a few months before release, and decided to err on the side of tropes.
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Feb 9, 2017 12:27
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LordMune posted:Fun development fact! I've always subscribed to the Orion Burger definition.
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Feb 9, 2017 12:30
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LordMune posted:Fun development fact! Is it possible to go into a textfile somewhere and change the tech-descriptions to be the correct ones?
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Feb 9, 2017 12:32
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https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/829660044971143168
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Feb 9, 2017 13:03
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Libluini posted:Is it possible to go into a textfile somewhere and change the tech-descriptions to be the correct ones? Fake Edit: Was going to link to the dev diary but I know when I've been beaten.
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Feb 9, 2017 13:03
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LordMune posted:Fake Edit: Was going to link to the dev diary but I know when I've been beaten. I'm really, really excited for Banks, okay. Can't believe I bought this game in time for the most intense teasing I've ever seen in my life!
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Feb 9, 2017 13:05
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I'm a little disappointed that the psychic and cybernetic story tree's seem to locked by materialism/spiritualism, but I can see why as it pertains to the victory condition. I hope it's still possible to see my pops develop psychic traits or cybernetically alter their bodies in defiance of government policy.
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Feb 9, 2017 13:13
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LordMune posted:It would basically be the easiest mod in the world to create. You can edit the localization files yourself using NotePad++ or Sublime. Thanks! I'll be doing this now.
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Feb 9, 2017 13:25
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Demiurge4 posted:I'm a little disappointed that the psychic and cybernetic story tree's seem to locked by materialism/spiritualism, but I can see why as it pertains to the victory condition. I hope it's still possible to see my pops develop psychic traits or cybernetically alter their bodies in defiance of government policy. If I understood the dev diary correctly, that's not how it works. If you do not get the DLC, then you can indeed only go the psionics route if your government is spiritual (but because of the new faction system, you can change your government ethics to spiritual if you really want to, and can also change it back after you got the techs). If you have the DLC, you don't need to be spiritual, psionics are unlocked through the ascension perks system. And the story about the shroud is part of the paid content, so you will only get to access it if you buy Utopia. So no need to be spiritual.
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Feb 9, 2017 13:26
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Making contact with extra-dimensional beings worked wonders for the people in Half-Life, DOOM, WH40K, Event Horizon and countless other sci-fi settings. I really can't see what will go wrong here. Also Wiz, for all the event pop ups that have '???' as a title can you please just change it to the  smiley? Or just 
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Torrannor posted:If I understood the dev diary correctly, that's not how it works. If you do not get the DLC, then you can indeed only go the psionics route if your government is spiritual (but because of the new faction system, you can change your government ethics to spiritual if you really want to, and can also change it back after you got the techs). If you have the DLC, you don't need to be spiritual, psionics are unlocked through the ascension perks system. And the story about the shroud is part of the paid content, so you will only get to access it if you buy Utopia. So no need to be spiritual. According to the dev diary the Spiritualist requirement applies whether or not you own Utopia, but you can shift to the Spiritualist ethics temporarily and get the psy path and then shift out of the ethos.
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Feb 9, 2017 13:38
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I look intensely forward to letting my pops feel the good pain.
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Feb 9, 2017 13:39
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Cliffhanger posted:According to the dev diary the Spiritualist requirement applies whether or not you own Utopia, but you can shift to the Spiritualist ethics temporarily and get the psy path and then shift out of the ethos. You are right, Wiz confirms it in the dev diary thread. I don't mind, I like playing spiritualist empires. But it seems like cybernetics will then be tied to the materialists. Will all the other ethics only get the gene-path? That sounds strange.
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LordMune posted:Fun development fact! No wonder they're pissed.
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Feb 9, 2017 14:18
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I read this book because of this thread, and I think it's super relevant to this topic: http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm
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The psionics dev diary was fantastic. Really looking forward to this expansion and trying out the different paths. I'm also really interested in seeing how mods can expand on the system for even more replayability.GunnerJ posted:I read this book because of this thread, and I think it's super relevant to this topic: http://www.rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm This book probably has one of the few depictions of aliens that seem actually alien. I also recommend his short story "The Things" which is a retelling of the movie The Thing from the perspective of the alien.
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Feb 9, 2017 14:40
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 Stellaris: Something very bad is going to happen here.
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Serf posted:This book probably has one of the few depictions of aliens that seem actually alien. The "reveal" was seriously one of the most dreadful and dispiriting things I ever read. I recommend it to everyone. Also I'll check out that story, thanks!
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Serf posted:I also recommend his short story "The Things" which is a retelling of the movie The Thing from the perspective of the alien. Yeah, this is great, just read it. Pro click!
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Feb 9, 2017 15:24
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Stream showcased how global food works, only caught the end part but it looks like it becomes a resource like minerals/energy, with policies dictating how much you stockpile. Anyone caught the full explanation?
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Notably, eating people provides a substantial boost. eta: If they eat the Snailiens I am going to be so triggered. Please be nice to Snailiens. GunnerJ fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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GunnerJ posted:eta: If they eat the Snailiens I am going to be so triggered. Please be nice to Snailiens.
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Feb 9, 2017 15:49
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Apparently Observation Stations have a new "Indoctrinate" button...
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Feb 9, 2017 16:05
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edit: wrong thread
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Feb 9, 2017 16:27
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Wow, for a second I thought either I'd overlooked a whole game system or Utopia was gonna be even crazier than before.
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Feb 9, 2017 16:31
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GunnerJ posted:Apparently Observation Stations have a new "Indoctrinate" button... Does this mean I can now convert primitives to my ethics before uplifting them? Ace.
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Aethernet posted:Does this mean I can now convert primitives to my ethics before uplifting them? Ace. That's my guess, but they said it'd be covered in next week's dev diary iirc.
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