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Official site is up http://www.ford.com/suvs/expedition/2018/ Looks pretty good. Guess the base engine will be the 2.7l.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/autos-fordsuv-idUSL1N1FR19W There's a Lincoln Aviator in the works, that may share a RWD underpinning with the next gen Explorer.
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Throatwarbler posted:Sorry to interrupt yout 100hp diesel wagon chat but it's finally here guys drat, should have waited another year. My Explorer Sport doesn't seem like hot poo poo anymore.
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Throatwarbler posted:Sorry to interrupt yout 100hp diesel wagon chat but it's finally here guys I thought FCA was going to kill off the Durango?
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When the Grand Wagoneer was initially planned to take its place as a 3 row GC, that was probably the plan. Wagoneer ended up based on the 1/2 ton Ram truck, so no need to kill the Durango. I guess...
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Q_res posted:When the Grand Wagoneer was initially planned to take its place as a 3 row GC, that was probably the plan. Wagoneer ended up based on the 1/2 ton Ram truck, so no need to kill the Durango. They are not body on frame and drive very well. I drove one with the normal hemi and it had plenty of go, I bet that thing hauls butt.
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Grater posted:drat, should have waited another year. My Explorer Sport doesn't seem like hot poo poo anymore. I showed my wife the burnout video, wonder if the Durango will still be around when her Explorer Sport lease is up. I wonder what pricing will be, it's going to have to be at least 60, probably 65K.
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Q_res posted:When the Grand Wagoneer was initially planned to take its place as a 3 row GC, that was probably the plan. Wagoneer ended up based on the 1/2 ton Ram truck, so no need to kill the Durango. I was really hoping they'd stick to this plan, because I like my 2015 GC, I just want more room, and I'd rather have a long Jeep than a Dodge. Mr-Spain posted:They are not body on frame and drive very well. I drove one with the normal hemi and it had plenty of go, I bet that thing hauls butt. The Durango rides on a stretched version of the WK2 (current) Grand Cherokee unibody, which is a very good car (TOTALLY UNBIASED OPINION). skipdogg posted:I showed my wife the burnout video, wonder if the Durango will still be around when her Explorer Sport lease is up. I wonder what pricing will be, it's going to have to be at least 60, probably 65K. Gotta be more than that. GC SRT is upwards of $70k.
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Durango stance nation
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DropShadow posted:Gotta be more than that. GC SRT is upwards of $70k. GC SRT starts at $67k A base GC starts at $30.4k A base Durango starts at $400 LESS than the GC. So $65-67k is a pretty reasonable ballpark.
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DropShadow posted:I was really hoping they'd stick to this plan, because I like my 2015 GC, I just want more room, and I'd rather have a long Jeep than a Dodge. It's an excellent platform and the drivetrain is world class. You'll have effortless power at any RPM and it's probably the most controllable 4.5 0-60 car ever since the weight and AWD make everything easy. I redline multiple times daily because it owns and you don't have to worry about breaking wheels loose which makes that burnout video pretty  Best of all it'll be under 70k easily.
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Jymmybob posted:It's an excellent platform and the drivetrain is world class. You'll have effortless power at any RPM and it's probably the most controllable 4.5 0-60 car ever since the weight and AWD make everything easy. I redline multiple times daily because it owns and you don't have to worry about breaking wheels loose which makes that burnout video pretty Oh man, you have a GC SRT-8 don't you? So many questions. I have to know, how thirsty is it, and how fast does it eat a set of tires?
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skipdogg posted:Oh man, you have a GC SRT-8 don't you? So many questions. I have to know, how thirsty is it, and how fast does it eat a set of tires? My lifetime average is ~14mpg but that's really beating on it at all times. If I drove it normally then probably 16mpg and I've seen 18mpg on the freeway in eco mode (because I was on empty and had to do 40 miles to the nearest gas station). Tires are tricky because runflats come stock because the stiffer sidewall helps support throwing the massive weight around but they ride like poo poo and wear super fast. I drove straight from the dealership to a tire place to swap into winters then went to high performance allseasons for the rest of the year. I just replaced the first set of allseasons this fall at about 20,000 miles which is surprisingly good and the tires are astonishingly cheap for 295/45-20s at under 150 each for good Yokohama sport truck tires. I've done all the oil changes myself and haven't been to the dealer since getting it 2 years ago but I'll go next time because I think 30k service involves the differentials. It's really a good car and I've done light offroading, spent lots of time bouncing down dirt roads at high speed, caught air off a railroad track a few times, and generally wring it out all the time once it warms up and haven't had a hiccup yet. All that and it's still incredibly practical since it fits my daughter's giant car seat easily, cargo room is generous, and towing is effortless since the oversized engine and brakes make anything under the max towing weight trivial. I put in a CAI which made a noticeable difference, lowered the rear by an inch so it's level, and put on the quietest exhaust available (Borla Type S) but it's still too loud. It sounds great but drones when the MDS kicks on and I can only imagine how bad the 12-13s are with the 5 speed auto and 3000+ rpm at highway speeds.
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skipdogg posted:I showed my wife the burnout video, wonder if the Durango will still be around when her Explorer Sport lease is up. I wonder what pricing will be, it's going to have to be at least 60, probably 65K.
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DropShadow posted:I was really hoping they'd stick to this plan, because I like my 2015 GC, I just want more room, and I'd rather have a long Jeep than a Dodge. What are you thoughts on the new Ford Expedition? It sounds like it might be up your alley. Comes in big and bigger sizes, still has an IRS, a nice interior, and you could always tune the Ecoboost north of 400hp easily.
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Mental Hospitality posted:What are you thoughts on the new Ford Expedition? It sounds like it might be up your alley. Comes in big and bigger sizes, still has an IRS, a nice interior, and you could always tune the Ecoboost north of 400hp easily. The Expedition is *really* big though, historically they have been slightly larger than the Tahoe/Suburban and this new one is going to be no different. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ES4E9LO6Dn8
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I love the fact that SUVs have come full circle and just look like minivans now.
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1500quidporsche posted:I love the fact that SUVs have come full circle and just look like minivans now. The people who swore they would never own a minivan kept insisting that their SUVs should be taller and wider, with easy access to a third row of seats for hauling kids to soccer games. They'll still call them SUVs, though, so buyers can pretend they're young and rebellious and not at all like their parents.
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My parents were cool and briefly had a Previa that they ditched for a Taurus Wagon in the mid 90s. I could be so lucky to even still be able to buy a station wagon when I have kids. I had such a strong love-hate relationship with that hand-me-down Taurus in high school, though. But for being a Ford rather than for being a station wagon.
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Parents in the 60s drove station wagons. Parents in the 80s didn't want to admit they were uncool like their station-wagon-driving moms, so instead of station wagons, they drove minivans. Parents in the 2000s didn't want to admit they were uncool like their minivan-driving moms, so instead of minivans, they drove SUVs. What will be next?
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Sagebrush posted:Parents in the 60s drove station wagons. With any luck, we're back to station wagons again.
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Sagebrush posted:Parents in the 60s drove station wagons. Someone with a minivan has an honesty about them where as someone with an SUV is making a compromise somewhere. I'd argue that a minivan is cooler than any SUV these days.
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KakerMix posted:Someone with a minivan has an honesty about them where as someone with an SUV is making a compromise somewhere. I'd argue that a minivan is cooler than any SUV these days. We have a minivan and an SUV. The only reason we don't have two minivans is that no one offers a performance oriented version. The minivan is king poo poo though, it's really the best family vehicle and I have no shame driving it; quite the opposite actually. I definitely made a compromise with my explorer and I'll be the first to admit it.
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People moved to minivans from station wagons because minivans are better family vehicles. Three row SUVs are an abomination.
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devtesla posted:People moved to minivans from station wagons because minivans are better family vehicles. Three row SUVs are an abomination. Umm excuse me please explain how you and your sister can sit backwards facing traffic so you can prod truckers to toot their horns on family road trips in a minivan. Edit: also from the Chicago car show, Hyundai is bringing its euro hatch over as the Elantra GT hatchback but with their turbo 4cyl with 201hp. Apparently manual is an option but also 7 speed dct? Nice hatchback but I still want that turbo Optima wagon dangit. davebo fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Mental Hospitality posted:What are you thoughts on the new Ford Expedition? It sounds like it might be up your alley. Comes in big and bigger sizes, still has an IRS, a nice interior, and you could always tune the Ecoboost north of 400hp easily. I never had any opinion of the Expedition until I had one as a rental in Chicago a couple months back for hauling crew and gear to a shoot. It was an Ecoboost, and I was very surprised at how much power it had and how "quick" it felt for such a big vehicle. That said, its bigger than I need or want. The GC is juuuuust big enough for our needs right now (two young kids and all their associated stuff). I don't want to buy something huge for the one or two times a year that I may actually need that extra space, so the Durango seems like a happy medium. Not too much bigger than the GC but not huge. I just don't want a Dodge. I know that's silly. And speaking of wagons vs. minivans vs. SUVs, I'm about to sell my allroad because it never gets driven anymore, and I'm getting old so I don't enjoy being bounced all over the place since it's so drat low. I've become the SUV driver I swore I wouldn't.
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Can't imagine the sidewall on your Allroad's tires helps your ride quality at all. Besides this just means you need a minivan, just give an Odyssey the same treatment you gave your Allroad.
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KakerMix posted:Can't imagine the sidewall on your Allroad's tires helps your ride quality at all. The thought has crossed my mind.
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devtesla posted:People moved to minivans from station wagons because minivans are better family vehicles. Three row SUVs are an abomination. The good news is that more and more of them are really just wagons with body kits. I mean my "SUV" is based on the same platform as a Taurus. I tell everyone that it's just a tall wagon.
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Wheeee posted:An Outback is all the car almost anyone could need. except that it's a subaru so gently caress that
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I'm a 30-something single guy with no kids and I've always secretly liked minivans. So much utility and space.
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Deteriorata posted:The people who swore they would never own a minivan kept insisting that their SUVs should be taller and wider, with easy access to a third row of seats for hauling kids to soccer games. 3-row SUVs are great when you have 4 kids and a boat to haul. Minivans are pretty much superior for everything else. I know I mention this every time minivans come up, but I live in Utah, and big families are very common. Every woman I know who has bought a minivan was initially in tears because they didn't want to be like their mother. And within 6 months, every last one of them loved their minivan and couldn't fathom driving anything else.
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Hughmoris posted:I'm a 30-something single guy with no kids and I've always secretly liked minivans. So much utility and space. My brother-in-law is a now 40 year old driving his blacked out Chrysler Town & Country. He's married with no kids and loves it.
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DropShadow posted:I'm about to sell my allroad because it never gets driven anymore, and I'm getting old so I don't enjoy being bounced all over the place since it's so drat low. I've become the SUV driver I swore I wouldn't. Why would you buy an allroad just to defeat the entire purpose of it by lowering it and putting huge wheels on? Of course that thing is uncomfortable. Put it back to stock and you eliminate the problem...
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Guinness posted:Why would you buy an allroad just to defeat the entire purpose of it by lowering it and putting huge wheels on? Of course that thing is uncomfortable. Put it back to stock and you eliminate the problem... Same question comes up every time I post it. Because I like it looking like that.
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Hughmoris posted:I'm a 30-something single guy with no kids and I've always secretly liked minivans. So much utility and space.  I secretly long for a vehicle I can load a bed into that isn't a full on van.
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Guinness posted:Why would you buy an allroad just to defeat the entire purpose of it by lowering it and putting huge wheels on? Of course that thing is uncomfortable. Put it back to stock and you eliminate the problem... as if any of them get offroad ever anyway
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Mental Hospitality posted:What are you thoughts on the new Ford Expedition? It sounds like it might be up your alley. Comes in big and bigger sizes, still has an IRS, a nice interior, and you could always tune the Ecoboost north of 400hp easily. Drove a rented Expedition over the holidays. The steering on that thing was genuinely appalling. It makes my friend's first gen Prius feel modern. Also it's loving huge. I did like the Ecoboost engine though. Maybe they could put it in something with steering that doesn't feel dangerous.
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