|
Isn’t white paint also thinner, or is the colour irrelevant, it’s just that Boeing won’t bother with other colours and warns against adding a second layer?
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 00:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 07:35 |
|
|
Platystemon posted:Isn’t white paint also thinner, or is the colour irrelevant, it’s just that Boeing won’t bother with other colours and warns against adding a second layer? Paint on planes has a spec'd thickness regardless of color. Too thick fucks the panel during a lightning strike, too thin and you get incomplete coverage/corrosion issues. Given the method of applying paint (by Joe-Bob and his paint gun) its a surprisingly controlled tolerance.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 01:08
|
|
|
Platystemon posted:Isn’t white paint also thinner, or is the colour irrelevant, it’s just that Boeing won’t bother with other colours and warns against adding a second layer? The number of supremely tarted-up 737s hanging around the north ramp of KBFI at any given moment would indicate to me this is not the case.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 01:09
|
|
|
HookedOnChthonics posted:The number of supremely tarted-up 737s hanging around the north ramp of KBFI at any given moment would indicate to me this is not the case. I think he was probably referring to GE's insistence that the GENx chevrons could only be painted white or blue because of composite delamination.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 01:15
|
|
|
SeaborneClink posted:I think he was probably referring to GE's insistence that the GENx chevrons could only be painted white or blue because of composite delamination. It was actually to promote better laminar flow over the nacelle; apparently thicker paint would mess with it. GE/Boeing also backed off that demand not long after they made it.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 01:22
|
|
|
I don't understand why Boeing can't just publish the relevant Rz spec and wash their hands of the issue
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 02:14
|
|
|
shame on an IGA posted:I don't understand why Boeing can't just publish the relevant Rz spec and wash their hands of the issue It'd be a BAC spec though that copies whatever other spec
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 02:17
|
|
|
CarForumPoster posted:There's a bunch of reasons to paint planes white. Crack inspection\finding hydraulic leaks is a breeze, doesnt fade, needs less repainting when sold, absorbs less heat and prob others.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 02:37
|
|
|
Boeing should make a special edition 787 that's not painted at all -- just a clearcoat over the composite.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 02:42
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:Boeing should make a special edition 787 that's not painted at all -- just a clearcoat over the composite. I'd be willing to bet they can't due to UV degradation of the fibers 
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 03:11
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:Boeing should make a special edition 787 that's not painted at all -- just a clearcoat over the composite. *makes maiden flight in light rain* *is permanently grounded after lightning strike*
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 03:15
|
|
|
slidebite posted:I think it looks OK. airbus really makes the prettiest planes
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 03:19
|
|
|
Inacio posted:airbus really makes the prettiest planes MODS?!
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 03:26
|
|
|
Inacio posted:airbus really makes the prettiest planes Counterpoint: A380.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 03:26
|
|
|
Sagebrush posted:Boeing should make a special edition 787 that's not painted at all -- just a clearcoat over the composite. They're fully painted default white before they ever see daylight. The parts arrive at the factory pre painted.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 03:59
|
|
|
Finger Prince posted:They're fully painted default white before they ever see daylight. The parts arrive at the factory pre painted. I have to record down to the minute how much exposure time any composite part has to UV light while I'm inspecting it, the same for all the milling operations performed up until they get primed
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 04:12
|
|
|
slidebite posted:I think it looks OK. I think it looks Space Shuttle.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 04:36
|
|
|
Inacio posted:airbus really makes the prettiest planes It's like the minivan of the skies.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 04:51
|
|
|
Finger Prince posted:They're fully painted default white before they ever see daylight. The parts arrive at the factory pre painted.  
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 05:25
|
|
|
Yeah, it's white like he said.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 05:47
|
|
|
As Sagebrush points out they definitely don't arrive with finished paint, it'd never make it through the line without damage. Also, I would expect they need to install fasteners that they also electrically bond through as I doubt they add wire ground straps to skin panels. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c26y2-j5KrY&t=2263s
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 05:48
|
|
|
Trump shows interest in privatizing air traffic control
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 06:00
|
|
|
"Southwest 226, continue holding at the outer marker." "You motherfucker...we only have fifteen minutes of fuel left!" "Not my problem, 226 - your airline's low fares mean you can't afford our 'Fast Lane' processing. United 892, cleared to land with our compliments to your CEO."
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 06:03
|
|
|
beep-beep car is go posted:Counterpoint: A380. 
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 06:44
|
|
|
I wish so hard that were real
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 06:45
|
|
|
FAA management is so bad the air traffic controllers union is in favor of this.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 06:47
|
|
|
BIG HEADLINE posted:"Southwest 226, continue holding at the outer marker." Nah, if they were bingo fuel ATC would Fast Lane™ them, but impound the airplane and passengers until they could pay their overage fee (15x Fast Lane™ fee). It's all in the ToS, you see.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 07:03
|
|
|
Finger Prince posted:They're fully painted default white before they ever see daylight. The parts arrive at the factory pre painted. No, they're not. However, the carbon is not on the outer surface of carbon aircraft skins. There's a layer of copper mesh or foil for lightning strike protection, and a layer of fiberglass for corrosion protection and a suitable painting surface that makes up the final outer layer. The inside surface is also mostly covered in fiberglass in order to avoid having to use fay sealing for metal brackets. There's plenty of pictures on the internet of unpainted A350's and 787's being towed between hangars (usually on their way to the paint hangar), and they're all that same weird brown you get from the reddish-brown of the copper being just slightly visible through the off-white fiberglass ply. There ARE carbon parts that don't have copper or glass plies, but they're all in locations that are never exposed to sunlight once installed, and most remain unpainted. The frames and the clips holding them to the skin, for example, which are completely covered by the outside skin and the interior paneling. Source: I literally wrote the plans for manufacturing skins for one of them, AND I handled the deliveries to the OEM, notably unpainted when we shipped it.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 07:12
|
|
|
Speaking of paint jobs though:   SKREEEEEEEE
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 08:04
|
|
|
Counterpoint, I've seen them being put together, and clambered around inside and outside them at various states of being put together, and have been to the production line on multiple occasions. But don't just take my word for it; http://bfy.tw/A0Uo Also before they went down the line like that, they towed them across to the paint hangar at night to paint them white, so technically they were painted white before ever seeing daylight. In one of those images there's even an Air Canada fin with a white fuselage. They all have a white basecoat before going across the road for final customer paint.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 08:18
|
|
|
HookedOnChthonics posted:Speaking of paint jobs though: The gently caress is that supposed to be? Other than loving awesome. Some kind of cicada-copter with a mouth?
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 08:20
|
|
|
Finger Prince posted:The gently caress is that supposed to be? Other than loving awesome. Some kind of cicada-copter with a mouth? MARINES we are LEAVING
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 08:24
|
|
|
 I bet they make it talk by wiggling the gun up and down 
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 08:37
|
|
|
HookedOnChthonics posted:
Saw this in Linköping last summer, and they must have spent two hours doing ground tests.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 08:45
|
|
|
Comrade Gorbash posted:There's also an economic factor. Every time a big fleet operator picks a color scheme that's predominantly white, it makes it more likely others will follow. It becomes the color most likely to be in stock already, and the color with the biggest production capacity. You can get whatever color you want in several months for more... or you can get white plus a trim color right now, for less. Of course, for most paints white is the base color anyways, so its inherently cheaper even without economics of scale. This makes sense. Also I vaguely remember a Star Wars Expanded Universe book where some dude ends up with a Star Destroyer and wanted to paint it red and it cost quite the sum of money to even find enough of the paint. Humphreys fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Feb 10, 2017 |
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 08:56
|
|
|
hobbesmaster posted:FAA management is so bad the air traffic controllers union is in favor of this. Wait a minute. Are they in favor of it as in "Canada's pseudo privatized system seems to be working maybe we should try that" or "HELL YAH FULL CAPITALISM BITCH" in favor of it?
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 11:53
|
|
|
They probably want the former, unaware that the latter is what they'll get. KInda what happened to poor trump voters.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 12:06
|
|
|
The union supports discussion of a non profit private corporation like Canada's. I don't think that anyone is confused about how it COULD go down, but the union wants to stay involved in any changes instead of impotently opposing something the government can unilaterally impose anyway. NATCA President Paul Rinaldi's article in ATCA Journal (p. 21) http://www.natca.org/images/Newsroom/FAAReauth/ATCAJournalQ22015.pdf Another, newer piece from Paul: http://www.natca.org/images/NATCA_PDFs/Current_Legislative_Issues/ATMmag2016reform.pdf See https://www.natca.org for more information on our union, and the horrible outlook of staffing and funding of the U.S. ATC system. The Ferret King fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Feb 10, 2017 |
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 15:32
|
|
|
ApathyGifted posted:No, they're not. Can confirm this for the 787 frames, whether or not the clips are painted seems up to the vagaries of the engineer designing the assembly though judging by the number of part rolls I get that have no changes to engineering except adding or removing paint from them
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 16:06
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 2, 2024 07:35 |
|
|
HookedOnChthonics posted:
Looks like the A10 Thunderbolt painters need to up their game.
|
|
#
?
Feb 10, 2017 16:33
|
|