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Well so did St. Francis de Sales but it's not like the Salesians supported fascist governments. They just ran schools and orphanages. I think it's mostly that adherents of St. Escriva and his lay prelature Opus Dei grew up in a really lovely time in Spain where your choice as a member of the Catholic clergy was to support Franco or die. And then somehow that gets transferred into the modern day, despite St. Escriva literally saying nothing at all about politics in his writings.
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There's whole chapters of Isaiah that are just wonderful; the final line of Ezekiel always makes me emotional for reasons I don't understand; but two little scraps of scripture stick in my head: Moses' response to God calling him: "O Lord, please send someone else to do it..." And the people's words to a blind man called by Jesus: "cheer up, on your feet, he's calling you!" They make a nice little story all by themselves...
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Senju Kannon posted:to this day i don't know why escriva, they were all about "hrrgh we're men, let's make being catholic manly" and for all his sins i don't think that was a thing escriva was doing i'm not sure which ones make me drink more: the he-man "let's be manly catholic men" bros or the ones who read lots of chesterton and affect accents and smoke pipes and say colonialism was great all while living in suburban ohio
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i'd say the manly catholic men cause they're also super homophobic and don't get the irony
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Bel_Canto posted:i'm not sure which ones make me drink more: the he-man "let's be manly catholic men" bros or the ones who read lots of chesterton and affect accents and smoke pipes and say colonialism was great all while living in suburban ohio Senju Kannon posted:i'd say the manly catholic men cause they're also super homophobic and don't get the irony edit: i have seen at least one alt right catholic guy online refer to himself, without irony and without knowing what he was saying, as a "confirmed bachelor" HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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HEY GAIL posted:both of them enable the authoritarianism that has given us president bannon, but i'd have to say the second because they pretend to be classier than they are god that's so precious i bet he thinks the alt-right obsession with the apollo belvedere is just about admiring white manhood
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Bel_Canto posted:god that's so precious
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HEY GAIL posted:there are no queers in greek art or its successor, renaissance italy st sebastian was swole and butch
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Bel_Canto posted:st sebastian was swole and butch
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Bel_Canto posted:st sebastian was swole and butch He's the one looking rather "happy" being shot full of arrows, isn't he?
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Bel_Canto posted:...or the ones who read lots of chesterton and affect accents and smoke pipes and say colonialism was great all while living in suburban ohio I work by Westminster, and my nearest pub is popular with baby Tories. It's easy to feel sorry for them, with their sixth-form moustaches, their watch-chains and ill advised hats, unless you're standing close enough to hear what they are saying. Bel_Canto posted:i bet he thinks the alt-right obsession with the apollo belvedere is just about admiring white manhood Wait is that a thing?
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Bel_Canto posted:i'm not sure which ones make me drink more: the he-man "let's be manly catholic men" bros or the ones who read lots of chesterton and affect accents and smoke pipes and say colonialism was great all while living in suburban ohio Calvinism has a whole drat lot of the latter for whatever reason, except they like Spurgeon instead of Chesterton. I've seen so many drat Calvinists go to bars, light up a cigar and start conspicuously reading books by some Reformed theologian nobody's ever heard of, aggressively but silently exuding their faux-intellectualism.
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The Phlegmatist posted:I've seen so many drat Calvinists go to bars, light up a cigar and start conspicuously reading books by some Reformed theologian nobody's ever heard of, aggressively but silently exuding their faux-intellectualism. I have a rule that if I'm reading a book in public I keep it flat on a surface or in my lap, and when I need to interact with someone I close it so that only the back is showing. Works almost every time.
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Thirteen Orphans posted:I have a rule that if I'm reading a book in public I keep it flat on a surface or in my lap, and when I need to interact with someone I close it so that only the back is showing. Works almost every time. Works doing what :iamafag:
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Tias posted:Works doing what :iamafag:  Yeah that maybe isn't clear. Sometimes when people see me reading religion related books they get personal, which I normally don't mind, but I also know that the Chili joint down the street that caters to bikers and hipsters isn't exactly a safe-space.
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Just got back from a service in a gorgeous baroque church where a priest of the Teutonic Order put the gold-plated cranium of St Alto on my head to ward off headache (sadly the old tradition to drink blessed wine out of it has fallen to the wayside). I love this weird Church sometimes 
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pick my confirmation saint, funny hat wearers or someone tell me why it's a bad idea to choose St. Moses the Black (whose patronage is non-violence)
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Tias posted:This was Bavaria, I presume? Yep!  The Phlegmatist posted:pick my confirmation saint, funny hat wearers I hadn't heard of this guy before but he sounds super cool, why would it be a bad idea? e: lmao, I just read some more about St Alto and a book from 1802 tells me that "about this Alto a story is told about his great sanctity, namely that he spent all night with a young and beautiful nun only to test his abstinence and chastity". Yeah sure you did, buddy  e2: forgot to mention that the monastery in Altomünster where I went to used to house both nuns and friars, and that its rule laid permanently in the hand of the abbess which pissed the author of this book off something fierce: "Now the monastery houses 38 women, 12 priests and 7 lay brothers; the former rule supreme, control the monastery's finances and economical activities too, order the men around and generally treat them like farmhands"  There's only one elderly sister living in the monastery now, and it's due to be finally closed down this year 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-38892669 This reminded me. Have you guys all read Magnus, by George Mackay Brown? System Metternich posted:e: lmao, I just read some more about St Alto and a book from 1802 tells me that "about this Alto a story is told about his great sanctity, namely that he spent all night with a young and beautiful nun only to test his abstinence and chastity". Yeah sure you did, buddy The Gandhi defense.
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Pope Francis Sneaks Leftovers To False God Moloch At Back Door Of St. Peter’s Basilica No it's not LifeSiteNews, it's The Onion! LifeSiteNews is actually crazier.
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The Phlegmatist posted:Pope Francis Sneaks Leftovers To False God Moloch At Back Door Of St. Peter’s Basilica Countdown to FWD: Meanwhile, the Catholic Herald of all places gives a good summary of the SSPX situation: http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/issues/february-10th-2017/pope-franciss-traditionalists/
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The Phlegmatist posted:pick my confirmation saint, funny hat wearers What is your profession?
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System Metternich posted:Just got back from a service in a gorgeous baroque church where a priest of the Teutonic Order put the gold-plated cranium of St Alto on my head to ward off headache (sadly the old tradition to drink blessed wine out of it has fallen to the wayside). I love this weird Church sometimes 
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hey y'all i don't know if i've been forthright about this before, but I'm discerning whether i have a vocation to the society of jesus. i just talked about this in another forum tonight and was met with some derision (because lol faggots can't be priests) and so i'm talking about it here too because i'm pretty sure you'll all be a bit better about it
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Weren't a whole bunch of gay men priests back in the day? Whoever derided you were probably petit bourgie idiots who'd still live in the stone age if not for the rest of us.
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Bel_Canto posted:hey y'all i don't know if i've been forthright about this before, but I'm discerning whether i have a vocation to the society of jesus. i just talked about this in another forum tonight and was met with some derision (because lol faggots can't be priests) and so i'm talking about it here too because i'm pretty sure you'll all be a bit better about it You've mentioned this before and I think (some?) Jesuits explicitly allow gay dudes. Mo Tzu may know more about this. So worry not.
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like i wouldn't lead with being gay when you start the process, but my old spiritual director told me it wasn't a problem
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Bel_Canto posted:hey y'all i don't know if i've been forthright about this before, but I'm discerning whether i have a vocation to the society of jesus. i just talked about this in another forum tonight and was met with some derision (because lol faggots can't be priests) and so i'm talking about it here too because i'm pretty sure you'll all be a bit better about it I think the real "problem" wouldn't really be you being gay (because let's be honest, a religious order who would refuse to accept you because of a sexuality you'd be swearing to not act on anyway probably wouldn't be one you wanted to be in) but the sheer commitment of not only the religious vows of chastity, poverty and obedience, but also that as a prospective Jesuit you'd be looking at ~7-8years of formation training to become a friar and another three or four to become a priest. When you really think that you have that calling then seriously go for it, it would be really neat to have a thread regular within the Jesuit-run NWO
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bel_canto for pope 2070, "It's Not Blackmailable If It's On The Internet Already"
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Bel_Canto posted:hey y'all i don't know if i've been forthright about this before, but I'm discerning whether i have a vocation to the society of jesus. i just talked about this in another forum tonight and was met with some derision (because lol faggots can't be priests) and so i'm talking about it here too because i'm pretty sure you'll all be a bit better about it Godspeed you to your calling, Bel_Canto! I'll keep your vocation in my prayers. What I thought of immediately is the vow of obedience a Jesuit will take, which will exhort you to be honest with your legitimate religious superior, and I don't presume to know their answer on any subject.
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Bel_Canto posted:hey y'all i don't know if i've been forthright about this before, but I'm discerning whether i have a vocation to the society of jesus. i just talked about this in another forum tonight and was met with some derision (because lol faggots can't be priests) and so i'm talking about it here too because i'm pretty sure you'll all be a bit better about it Good luck with finding your vocation! Would be pretty cool to have an actual Jesuit in the thread to be updated on the latest conspiracies. People tend to interpret the Instruction Concerning the Criteria for the Discernment of Vocations with regard to Persons with Homosexual Tendencies in view of their Admission to the Seminary and to Holy Orders as a blanket ban on all gay priests and monks alike for some reason, but most bishops are more sensible than that.
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jesuit gay, so what I don't think the Society would have a huge problem with it unless attitudes have changed, but I've heard that the new generation of Jesuits entering into formation are much more conservative and traditionalist than Jesuits are usually portrayed as. So you'll have to deal with the fact that, during formation, you'll be living with people who may or may not have completely abhorrent opinions on LGBT issues. I know I wouldn't be able to do it, personally. So there's that to consider as well.
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The Phlegmatist posted:jesuit gay, so what that's almost more reason to do it. they say for any issue you can find a jesuit on either side of it, so perpetuating the jesuit detente sounds good, at least against catholic conservatism (which can be but isn't always fascist)
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idk the first day someone flippantly compares homosexuality to bestiality would also be my last day in the society mainly because the cops would have to drag me out while I yelled about how thomas aquinas did 9/11
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Bel_Canto posted:hey y'all i don't know if i've been forthright about this before, but I'm discerning whether i have a vocation to the society of jesus. i just talked about this in another forum tonight and was met with some derision (because lol faggots can't be priests) and so i'm talking about it here too because i'm pretty sure you'll all be a bit better about it If you are aiming at total celibacy, it shouldn't matter. But it will because people are univocal literalists. Persevere even in the face of suffering and contradiction. We'll be praying for you. The Phlegmatist posted:thomas aquinas did 9/11 Thread title
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Bel_Canto posted:hey y'all i don't know if i've been forthright about this before, but I'm discerning whether i have a vocation to the society of jesus. i just talked about this in another forum tonight and was met with some derision (because lol faggots can't be priests) and so i'm talking about it here too because i'm pretty sure you'll all be a bit better about it Go ahead m8
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Worthleast posted:Thread title gently caress yes thank you everyone: it'll be a couple years yet before i'd even be able to enter, so i have some time to figure out whether this is my calling. i know the jesuits themselves have no problem with it institutionally (and in fact are the only major religious order who don't have a significant institutional problem with admitting men who are openly gay), but as people have said, the issue would be that yeah there are some very conservative young novices entering, and mostly i don't want to be the whipping boy for some snot-nosed 22-year-old's prejudices. hopefully a couple more years of prayer and spiritual direction will clear up my path.
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