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inthesto
May 12, 2010

Pro is an amazing name!

ArmyOfMidgets posted:

Jesus. I thought the T-Rex was gonna be the dopest poo poo that Griffin was talking about. I WAS SO WRONG.

What does Merle's thing actually do? I'm glad for the effect given, but I wanna see what they got away with. Also, does Clint still record with Justin? if so then I don't doubt for a minute that Justin had the spells for that entire segment written down and just slid a piece of paper to him to read out loud.

You summon an angel, a demon, or otherwise other-planar being to you, who you can then request to do something for you (but it's under no compulsion to do so, so you typically have to bargain for it).

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Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

I get the sense that the astral plane bit is something Griffin had ready to deploy at any point, in case any of the boys died earlier on (which was a real mechanical possibility). Since they lived, it got deployed now as a backup-- but then Taako and Merle just had to go and get in the way. Womp womp.

One thing that struck me as odd and is still kind of bugging me is how the liches didn't express any surprise at the cheating; they just treated it like a normal wonderland "victory". It feels kind of like a plot hole, and also a missed opportunity to see them really flip out at their game being broken. And I don't think that was due to any shenanigans the boys pulled, because the redrobe creating the doorway was something Griffin did on his own as the DM.

sirtommygunn
Mar 7, 2013



Supercar Gautier posted:

I get the sense that the astral plane bit is something Griffin had ready to deploy at any point, in case any of the boys died earlier on (which was a real mechanical possibility). Since they lived, it got deployed now as a backup-- but then Taako and Merle just had to go and get in the way. Womp womp.

One thing that struck me as odd and is still kind of bugging me is how the liches didn't express any surprise at the cheating; they just treated it like a normal wonderland "victory". It feels kind of like a plot hole, and also a missed opportunity to see them really flip out at their game being broken. And I don't think that was due to any shenanigans the boys pulled, because the redrobe creating the doorway was something Griffin did on his own as the DM.

Perhaps the real test was finding a way to escape the wonderland boxes, rather than to simply endure it long enough that they decided you could have your prize.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

I wouldn't be surprised if it was something like that. I'm surprised all the RR was doing was getting a door conjured up. I had expected a bit more for whatever reason, but I suppose breaking whatever magic nonsense had Wonderland operating the way it did is pretty substantial.

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
It's Always Adventure in Zone, starring:

Glenn Howerton as Taako;
Rob McElhenney as Magnus; and
Danny DeVito as Merle.

...

Title card: "Magnus 2: On the Move"

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008

Ziggy Tzardust posted:

I'm starting to wonder if saving Magnus had completely screwed up what Griffin had planned. Given that Magnus had the entire red robe history to go on, I think the plan was to have him die. Noelle and the three dead bosses all regained their memories after they died and came back so this was the big chance to give him back his big backstory.

Alternatively, Griffin will handwave it by going "you were halfway in the astral plane when Taako pulled you out so here's your memories back"

I mean, if Griffin wanted/needed to kill Magnus, he could have killed Magnus. Obviously he always makes allowances to let them get away with poo poo, but he said himself on Twitter that he let them bend the rules to the absolute breaking point this time. If his plan required Magnus to die right then, he could have just followed the rules, and turned it into this heartbreakingly tragic thing where the guys tried everything to save him and it still wasn't enough.

Poor Miserable Gurgi
Dec 29, 2006

He's a wisecracker!

inthesto posted:

You summon an angel, a demon, or otherwise other-planar being to you, who you can then request to do something for you (but it's under no compulsion to do so, so you typically have to bargain for it).

It was kind of funny that Clint started reading out what the spell did, stopped exactly where it became something else, then just started making up what he wanted it to do. Papa McElroy is catching on to Justin's style of magic use.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008
Watching Peacecraft, I have question about WoW - when you're a dead spirit, how far away from the spot where you died can you resurrect? I mean there must be SOME limit or else this game would just be 'a dwarf takes a very long uneventful greyscale walk' but it seemed like Griffin had a lot of freedom to pick where he respawned?

Serf
May 5, 2011


showbiz_liz posted:

Watching Peacecraft, I have question about WoW - when you're a dead spirit, how far away from the spot where you died can you resurrect? I mean there must be SOME limit or else this game would just be 'a dwarf takes a very long uneventful greyscale walk' but it seemed like Griffin had a lot of freedom to pick where he respawned?

It's not far. Like 100 yards or something like that, if not closer.

Rip_Van_Winkle
Jul 21, 2011

"When life gives you ghosts, you make ghost-robots"

I think this is a philosophy we can all aspire to.

showbiz_liz posted:

Watching Peacecraft, I have question about WoW - when you're a dead spirit, how far away from the spot where you died can you resurrect? I mean there must be SOME limit or else this game would just be 'a dwarf takes a very long uneventful greyscale walk' but it seemed like Griffin had a lot of freedom to pick where he respawned?

It's a small radius, maybe a few seconds of walking in any direction. That's why he was shuffling forwards and backwards to get that "resurrect now" option to appear. And also why he was getting a running start and trying to press it at the last second.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
Peacecraft is pretty lame so far. I hope fans start showing up to turn it into Knife Dad/Boy Mayor soon.

Zeeman
May 8, 2007

Say WHAT?! You KNOW that post is wack, homie!
I really enjoyed Cam's departure, when everyone was so angry at him for not actually helping much at all

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Zeeman posted:

I really enjoyed Cam's departure, when everyone was so angry at him for not actually helping much at all

I wish they'd thrown him in a sack and kept going with him.

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

I'm enjoying Peacecraft, but I do agree that there's not a lot for Griffin to really play off of and maybe some fans coming in as escorts would be fun.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


Zeeman posted:

I really enjoyed Cam's departure, when everyone was so angry at him for not actually helping much at all

i think griffin expected him to die in the fight, but kept rolling twenties

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008

Zeeman posted:

I really enjoyed Cam's departure, when everyone was so angry at him for not actually helping much at all

I feel like he might be back. It would be weird if he only showed up to deliver some backstory about the Director, fire off one cool spell, and then unceremoniously vanish - the NPCs in this game tend to get their stories resolved more completely than that.

I also still don't trust that dude. His whole backstory is 'guy who is bitter he was betrayed and also now assumes that the only way to escape Wonderland is betrayal.' He can't know about the bell specifically, but now that he's out of the suffering chamber I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to pull some shenanigans in order to get his body back (or someone else's).

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008
It only now occurs to me to wonder - if you never actually leave the one chamber you're in, then this whole time, the guys must have been in the same one that the Director and Cam originally went to, right? Can that possibly be a coincidence?

Greatbacon
Apr 9, 2012

by Pragmatica
https://twitter.com/ballfondlers/status/830035085395111936

MorningMoon
Dec 29, 2013

He's been tapping into Aunt May's bank account!
Didn't I kill him with a HELICOPTER?

AriadneThread posted:

i think griffin expected him to die in the fight, but kept rolling twenties

This sounds about right. He has 4 (or was it 2?) HP, anything that actually hit him would've ended his life. I hope they somehow take him to the BoB against his will, surely there's a spell or a jar they can use.

A Great Big Bee!
Mar 8, 2007

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/griffinmcelroy/status/830154940043649025

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Poop. Well you win some, you lose some.

showbiz_liz
Jun 2, 2008
Hope there's a new Monster Factory anyway.

(At this point I don't follow any TV show as closely as I follow like three or four discrete McElProducts.)

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

The two times I've put in suggestions for the podcast have been the lost episode (I got a twitter fav on that one) and this week, haha

Serf
May 5, 2011


I was iffy on Peacecraft due to the comments here in the thread but I liked it. Griffin's stress is pretty funny, and the way he reacts to things in the game that seem old to me is pretty refreshing. It makes me want to start a new character and just go back through the world leveling again.

snucks
Nov 3, 2008

Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

Supercar Gautier posted:

One thing that struck me as odd and is still kind of bugging me is how the liches didn't express any surprise at the cheating; they just treated it like a normal wonderland "victory".
Nah, it makes sense that ancient beings who have cheated death are going to have some decent Plan Bs on reserve if their victims manage to escape the game. According to the liches THB aren't the first contestants to escape the endless cycle, just maybe the first in a century or so.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer
I wonder how the director got out. Her being controlled by a lich this whole time doesn't make sense, so I guess she legit escaped somehow.

Supercar Gautier
Jun 10, 2006

PostNouveau posted:

I wonder how the director got out. Her being controlled by a lich this whole time doesn't make sense, so I guess she legit escaped somehow.

Seems like the "escape game" she played against Cam was legitimate, is all. The rules of Wonderland are cruel and often concealed and only lead to a false victory, but I guess there is some tiny semblance of fair play.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


Or she's not destroying the grand relics like she claims.
Having all those would make you a god. Add on having the Voidfish on your side means nothing could possibly stop you because no one would know about your actions.

Deport The Irish
Nov 25, 2013

Supercar Gautier posted:

Seems like the "escape game" she played against Cam was legitimate, is all. The rules of Wonderland are cruel and often concealed and only lead to a false victory, but I guess there is some tiny semblance of fair play.

Director Escapes, Director's obsession with the Grand Relics sends more sacrifices into Wonderland. Seems like a pretty good deal.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer
She didn't win she just escaped, so I can see her just losing a game.

graham cracker
Mar 8, 2004

"There is no God! Right, Mama?"

"True."


Aren't the grand relics all pieces of a wizard that broke their soul into pieces to imbue them?

In that case, destroying them would return that power back to them.

Or they're not being destroyed. I think that's unlikely though. Unless it's been Davenport all along with the long con.

Poopy Palpy
Jun 10, 2000

Im da fwiggin Poopy Palpy XD

Supercar Gautier posted:

Seems like the "escape game" she played against Cam was legitimate, is all. The rules of Wonderland are cruel and often concealed and only lead to a false victory, but I guess there is some tiny semblance of fair play.

You can get more suffering out of Cam having been betrayed than you can out of keeping the two around.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

graham cracker posted:

Aren't the grand relics all pieces of a wizard that broke their soul into pieces to imbue them?

In that case, destroying them would return that power back to them.

Or they're not being destroyed. I think that's unlikely though. Unless it's been Davenport all along with the long con.

The Grand Relics are just powerful magic items that were created by the Red Robes. The Chalice implied that they were once part of some sort of powerful entity but they're creation wasn't explicitly stated.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

Improbable Lobster posted:

The Grand Relics are just powerful magic items that were created by the Red Robes. The Chalice implied that they were once part of some sort of powerful entity but they're creation wasn't explicitly stated.

Specifically, an entity that had the ability to reshape reality.
:cthulhu: :tinfoil:

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


graham cracker posted:

Aren't the grand relics all pieces of a wizard that broke their soul into pieces to imbue them?

In that case, destroying them would return that power back to them.

Or they're not being destroyed. I think that's unlikely though. Unless it's been Davenport all along with the long con.

That would just be the best. A little weird Gnome that can only say his own name is the mastermind behind this whole ordeal. Plus he's named after the #1 outside contributor to the McElroy empire.
I'd love to see Davenport reveal himself clad in all the items but he's still only able to shout, "DAVENPORT!"

Visual Sneeze
Mar 4, 2008

Rose City 'til I die!
So wait, that KFC pizza abomination is only available in Singapore? What gives!?

But, but... I wanna munch... :(

e: VVV But does it have pineapple?

Visual Sneeze fucked around with this message at 22:16 on Feb 11, 2017

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Visual Sneeze posted:

So wait, that KFC pizza abomination is only available in Singapore? What gives!?

But, but... I wanna munch... :(

lemmie tell you about a thing called chicken parm son

Sushi in Yiddish
Feb 2, 2008

https://twitter.com/scenicsystems/status/830692327182258176

Supersonic Shine
Oct 13, 2012
It's like if René Magritte liked watching two guys play a glitchy car game.

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El Padrino
Dec 24, 2005

No es nada personal, solo negocios.

mythomanic posted:

I had assumed that was because it was the prize they set out to get.

Thats what I figured at first, but if they are using the Animus Bell to get into their brains and undead beings are immune to the Void Fish's magic, wouldn't Edward and Lydia have access to the whole parts of their memories that are scrambled?

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