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Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Get the gently caress out of here you loving racist.

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BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Get the gently caress out of here you loving racist.

That was sarcasm

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Race Realists posted:

That was sarcasm

Get the gently caress out you loving racist.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Get the gently caress out you loving racist.

do i need to post a picture of my hands to confirm my ethnicity? :v:

Tiny Brontosaurus
Aug 1, 2013

by Lowtax

Race Realists posted:

do i need to post a picture of my hands to confirm my ethnicity? :v:

Get. The. gently caress. Out. You. loving. Racist.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Tiny Brontosaurus posted:

Get. The. gently caress. Out. You. loving. Racist.

ok :smith:

there wolf
Jan 11, 2015

by Fluffdaddy

blackguy32 posted:

I thought the film nailed it when it came to a lot of stuff but I think it really dropped the ball whenever Gabe, Sam's boyfriend, came into the picture. While the movie is critical of pretty much everyone else, his character isn't really analyzed that deeply at all. The movie basically gives him free reign to do what he wants and say what he wants.

Plus I guess I just felt like Sam's arc ended rather weirdly. I admit, I haven't watched it in a while so I could be mistaken, but she basically gives up her black liberal activism.

I don't think we're supposed to believe that she gave it up, but that she got some sort of lesson on not letting your activism overtake your life to the point where you are ignoring your own happiness and needs as an individual. But that's a charitable interpretation based largely on the assumption that the filmmakers didn't mean to undermine the school/party plot line in favor of a romance one that just kind of boiled down to uptight bitch loosens up for love of Mr. Right.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2017/02/09/a_damning_chart_about_the_black_white_wealth_gap.html

Koalas March
May 21, 2007




This is one of the things that stands out to me the most when people act like white privilege is a myth.

quote:

The yawning wealth gap between black and white families is one of the starkest legacies of America's history of racist social policymaking. As far as simple statistical comparisons go, I can't recall any representations of it as striking as this chart from a recent report by the left-wing think tank Demos and the Institute on Assets and Social Policy at Brandeis University. As it shows, the median white household headed by a high-school dropout is wealthier today than the median black household headed by someone who went to college. The latter category includes those who at least attended a two- or four-year college, but not graduate degree holders.

Death Bot
Mar 4, 2007

Binary killing machines, turning 1 into 0 since 0011000100111001 0011011100110110

Koalas March posted:

This is one of the things that stands out to me the most when people act like white privilege is a myth.

Yeah I mean there's only two parties here, the system and the people participating in it, and the only way for this inequality to exist is the people being unequal or the system being unequal.

It's mind-blowing that there's two dots here and (white) people can't connect them.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost

Death Bot posted:

Yeah I mean there's only two parties here, the system and the people participating in it, and the only way for this inequality to exist is the people being unequal or the system being unequal.

It's mind-blowing that there's two dots here and (white) people can't connect them.

We're pretty priveleged and dumb :(

blackguy32
Oct 1, 2005

Say, do you know how to do the walk?

Death Bot posted:

Yeah I mean there's only two parties here, the system and the people participating in it, and the only way for this inequality to exist is the people being unequal or the system being unequal.

It's mind-blowing that there's two dots here and (white) people can't connect them.

Is it that they can't connect them or they don't want to connect them? I'm suspecting it's the latter.

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




Don't most white people not even have any non-white friends? I remember reading some statistic about that and being pretty blown away by it. So I bet for a lot of white people it's not that they can't connect the two dots, it's that they don't even really realize the two dots exist.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

VikingofRock posted:

Don't most white people not even have any non-white friends? I remember reading some statistic about that and being pretty blown away by it. So I bet for a lot of white people it's not that they can't connect the two dots, it's that they don't even really realize the two dots exist.

I think it's important to understand that a substantial majority of the country, somewhere between 60-65%, is still white. And that historically, up until recently, that number was even higher. Combine that with things like white flight and migration patterns of black people from the South to major cities in the North and Midwest, and you have a scenario where the majority of the population live in completely monochrome, segregated communities because of choices their parents or grandparents, or perhaps even further back, made decades ago at least.

For a lot of white people, it's not even just hatred of black people, it's a complete failure to even recognize the significance of black people as people, along with other minorities. Their hate is abstract; they're indifferent to the humanity of minorities in practice, which is much more insidious because trying to get them to recognize problems like de facto segregation is nearly impossible when they can't even recognize why this is a problem. That's just how it is for them.

Lightning Knight fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Feb 11, 2017

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
Boy I love seeing more about dead white klansmen than living actual black people on my Facebook feed in loving February.

Sometimes white leftists really....grate me.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



teen witch posted:

Boy I love seeing more about dead white klansmen than living actual black people on my Facebook feed in loving February.

Sometimes white leftists really....grate me.

White folks always gotta make poo poo about themselves.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

VikingofRock posted:

Don't most white people not even have any non-white friends? I remember reading some statistic about that and being pretty blown away by it. So I bet for a lot of white people it's not that they can't connect the two dots, it's that they don't even really realize the two dots exist.

I wound up moving to the south through some choices of my own and some of my parents and I'm not currently in touch with any people who aren't white outside the internet. poo poo sucks and I'd have to make a conscious effort (that I have no idea how to do in a non-lovely manner) to make friends that aren't white.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

teen witch posted:

Boy I love seeing more about dead white klansmen than living actual black people on my Facebook feed in loving February.

Sometimes white leftists really....grate me.

Queue a story about black Klansmen or some poo poo. I honestly can't predict how they will deflect next.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
I mean, to be fair, there should be more dead klansmen.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



Push El Burrito posted:

I mean, to be fair, there should be more dead klansmen.

Agreed.

esto es malo
Aug 3, 2006

Don't want to end up a cartoon

In a cartoon graveyard

idk i love reading that a super white racist dude died

Zebulon
Aug 20, 2005

Oh god why does it burn?!
If only Dave Chapelle had gotten his wish to kill a slave owner every episode.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

Push El Burrito posted:

I mean, to be fair, there should be more dead klansmen.

Not disagreeing on the many merits of dead racists; it's more of this odd bitterness I feel when I see white people being psyched about the deaths of "bad" white people and being quiet about, y'know, black history month or any sort of positive POC things.

I can't quite explain it. Weird oppression porn?

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat

teen witch posted:

Not disagreeing on the many merits of dead racists; it's more of this odd bitterness I feel when I see white people being psyched about the deaths of "bad" white people and being quiet about, y'know, black history month or any sort of positive POC things.

I can't quite explain it. Weird oppression porn?

I get your point, yeah. Attacking horrible people is good, but you can't just do that. You gotta build up the good people too.

My favorite Black History Month thing is WWE, who like to pay tribute by remembering black wrestlers. Also for some reason they play video packages with random famous black people that has nothing to do with wrestling.

Oh cool here's Ron Simmons the first black world champion for a major company, and of course The Rock, couldn't be bigger than him, and now here's Jackie Robinson and Stevie Wonder and Obama for some reason.

littleorv
Jan 29, 2011

I'm reading strength to love and it is very interesting. That's all I wanted to say.

Peace

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

teen witch posted:

Not disagreeing on the many merits of dead racists; it's more of this odd bitterness I feel when I see white people being psyched about the deaths of "bad" white people and being quiet about, y'know, black history month or any sort of positive POC things.

I can't quite explain it. Weird oppression porn?

I only share inspirational Denzel Washington speeches.

xthetenth
Dec 30, 2012

Mario wasn't sure if this Jeb guy was a good influence on Yoshi.

teen witch posted:

Not disagreeing on the many merits of dead racists; it's more of this odd bitterness I feel when I see white people being psyched about the deaths of "bad" white people and being quiet about, y'know, black history month or any sort of positive POC things.

I can't quite explain it. Weird oppression porn?

At least to me it comes off as a focus on black history as something that white people act in and inflict upon black people. We've already got 11 months of white people doing things, and they're still falling into the trap of looking at a situation and immediately going to the white people in the picture, rather than trying to understand the black people and their history.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011
Probation
Can't post for 13 days!

teen witch posted:

Not disagreeing on the many merits of dead racists; it's more of this odd bitterness I feel when I see white people being psyched about the deaths of "bad" white people and being quiet about, y'know, black history month or any sort of positive POC things.

I can't quite explain it. Weird oppression porn?

It's a 'safe' stance for white people to have. Some statement like "That white person was a bad racist and it's good they're dead" won't directly offend other people but advocating for people of color might be more of a minefield for their alabaster brain. Remember that calling a white person a racist is like the 'N' word, and if there's anything more unacceptable than actual racism to a white person, it's hurting that white person's feelings.

Hawkperson
Jun 20, 2003

teen witch posted:

Not disagreeing on the many merits of dead racists; it's more of this odd bitterness I feel when I see white people being psyched about the deaths of "bad" white people and being quiet about, y'know, black history month or any sort of positive POC things.

I can't quite explain it. Weird oppression porn?

Yeah it seems like a bunch of white man's burden bullshit. Like all your experiences and life are due to the white people around you. Which is not to say that we aren't supporting the racist constructs in our society that DO oppress you, just that when we solely focus on that we're still giving ourselves/white people all the credit for both oppressing you and "saving" you. You don't get any agency in your own story.

One of the Facebook groups I'm in has a person posting videos of black people in opera in recognition of black history month. It's been cool. For example, did you know Bobby McFerrin's dad was a kickass opera singer? https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=-uOeaNMCfAk

Some Pinko Commie
Jun 9, 2009

CNC! Easy as 1️⃣2️⃣3️⃣!

Chilichimp posted:

I only share inspirational Denzel Washington speeches.

I'm ashamed to admit that I have no idea what you're talking about here. Usually whenever I think of Denzel Washington I think "any movie that guy is in will be a good movie".

Are they speeches that were actually publicized at the time and I missed them or were they "you had to know they happened and have a friend send you a link to the video/audio" speeches?

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

biracial bear for uncut posted:

I'm ashamed to admit that I have no idea what you're talking about here. Usually whenever I think of Denzel Washington I think "any movie that guy is in will be a good movie".

Are they speeches that were actually publicized at the time and I missed them or were they "you had to know they happened and have a friend send you a link to the video/audio" speeches?

I was joking, but he had some acceptance speech he gave recently that was pretty awesome.

Whenever he ends up on some social media share it's usually a home run, though.

Chilichimp fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Feb 13, 2017

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



I'd post this in Misogynoir, but there's a good discussion there that don't want to derail.

People are throwing fits about Beyonce's acceptance speech at the Grammy's. Because of course.

quote:

When you are Beyoncé, widely acknowledged by your peers to be peerless, currently the greatest entertainer among them, the one who keeps moving the targets while they’re still trying to catch up to her old ones, what do you do when they still won’t let you into certain rooms? Well, if you’re Beyoncé, you accept the invitation to their party – because they benefit from you being at their party – and you turn their biggest room into a self-coronation. She knew they would deny her. So she decided not to deny herself. Some call it too much. Some call it a lack of humility. Some of you in my mentions think it’s gross and “not gracious”.

I think it’s radical. I think it’s a radical act of defiance to show up knowing that Taylor Swift has TWO Album of the Year awards and Adele now has two Album of the Year awards and that she would end the night with still zero Album of the Year awards and decide that she would put on the most-talked-about performance of the night and make it so symbolically dense with iconography and maternal imagery – not only related to her own pregnancy and children but the birth of an idea of the future, a generation of women, specifically of black women, who will have more opportunity, who will, as she has tried to do, effect change. The pregnancy package from two weeks ago? All of that was building to this. Did she take it upon herself to be the sovereign of that movement. Please. OF COURSE. Should she have been more humble?

Why humble yourself to a system that sets limits for you? What is the point of being “humble” and, therefore “classy”, or “elegant”, and “gracious” when that system doesn’t give you a seat at the table during meetings to decide whether or not you are “gaming” their system? Why not appoint yourself the head of a new system on top of the very foundation of the system that was designed to remind you that you can only rise so high?

But the real issue here is, to quote Adele: what the gently caress does Beyonce have to do to win Album of The Year!?

Lainey posted:

As many people observed on Twitter, Adele pulled a Kanye on herself. “How you make my black friends feel” was… not the best wording. I asked Kathleen about this afterwards and she agreed that it was a cringe, “loaded and weird”. But also that “I took it more for what she intended”. What Adele intended was clear. She thinks they got it wrong. And she didn’t say so afterwards, after the fact, after glorifying herself, but she did it while she was holding her glory, while standing in front of a dozen white guys, ahem, a visual we saw for the second year in a row for Album of the Year, calling out the privilege that she was benefitting from. And she did it so specifically. Because you’ll note that she complimented Beyoncé in particular for showing a side of herself that we don’t often see, doubling down on this point in the press room afterwards, that Beyoncé expanded her creativity to new places, the subtext here being that her own albums 19, 21, and 25 occupy the same space on the artistic spectrum. The Beyoncé part begins around 10:20:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJmaPyyncEw

How many artists would stand on stage and tell the world, hey, I appreciate that you think I’m good, but I’m telling you, this year, there was someone better. This year, I’m telling you it’s not me – and MEAN IT? Not Justin Timberlake. Not Taylor Swift. But, for Adele, as she said last night:

“I don’t take any f-cking sh-t when it comes to anyone not liking Beyoncé. You can’t be in my life, you know? You simply can’t.”


quote:

Adele, however, didn’t know what Beyoncé already did – not because Beyoncé can foretell the future but because she has had experience with the past. Which is why you could argue that Adele was probably more disappointed than Beyoncé. For Beyoncé to have been disappointed would mean that she doesn’t know the world. But Lemonade is basically an assessment of how the world works and an artistic representation of her resistance to it. It was Adele who learned a little more about how the world works last night. And what followed was her unfiltered response to that education.

For reference here are Lemonade's 2016 Year End rankings:


So what Beyonce have to do to win Album of The Year? Be white.

Koalas March fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Feb 13, 2017

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

I love capitalism!! DM me for the best investing advice!
Yeah it's amazing how much not being able to get an award follows you. We just saw James White get snubbed because of this.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

This is a cynical take, but giving AOTY to the wrong artist is how you use outrage for positive marketing. And this was a perfect opportunity for it. It even helps Beyonce's brand.

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

This is a cynical take, but giving AOTY to the wrong artist is how you use outrage for positive marketing. And this was a perfect opportunity for it. It even helps Beyonce's brand.

That feels too conspiratorial to me. I don't see a reason to believe that the music industry has conspired to channel racial animus to boost Beyoncé sales when the simple answer of "award voters are overwhelmingly white, overlook artist they struggle to relate to" is right there. It's still bad, but it's a problem that they could fix if they really wanted to (by adding more black voters).

BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

That feels too conspiratorial to me. I don't see a reason to believe that the music industry has conspired to channel racial animus to boost Beyoncé sales when the simple answer of "award voters are overwhelmingly white, overlook artist they struggle to relate to" is right there. It's still bad, but it's a problem that they could fix if they really wanted to (by adding more black voters).

Yeah, considering it's industry-wide voting I'm not sure how they'd rig it even if they felt like it, I just thought it was a fun food-for-thought hot take related to the (documented) "offend, then apologize" advertising trend.

Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

Soiled Meat
Yeah but

http://i.imgur.com/ioDplZo.webm

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

What is this thing that is missing from my life?

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal

LeftistMuslimObama posted:

What is this thing that is missing from my life?

That's Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, an original show on Netflix made by Tina Fey and stars Erin from the Office.

Edit: the person in the gif is Kimmy's gay roommate, who is quite hilarious.

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CrazyLittle
Sep 11, 2001





Clapping Larry
As amazing as that is...

fire hydrants don't work that way

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