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Kim Jong Il posted:There's no indication even the likes of Naftali Bennett have any territorial designs on Gaza. 1400+ Palestinians died in the bombings, but because a handful of areas got hit by small rockets that's ok. You're also leaving the part out that Israel instantly blamed Hamas for targeting those teens, and it wasn't until well into the bombings that they were forced to admit that Hamas didn't order the kidnappings. They wasted no time in bombing hospitals.
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The kidnap and murder of the three youths in 2014 had nothing to do with Hamas whatsoever.
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Ytlaya posted:
I wasn't debating the causal responsibility, just explaining Israel's reasons for the war, which had nothing to do with territorial conquest. FlamingLiberal posted:Ah I see, so if Hamas gets attacked for something they didn't do, they're supposed to just eat those bombs then. Alrighty. You clearly didn't read my post as I was not debating whether or not the war was a good idea, just the specific circumstances of the war starting. Israel didn't start the war immediately in response to the kidnappings. There's a lot that came after that. Likewise, it was crystal clear that I was citing facts by explicitly not holding Hamas's leadership responsible for the kidnappings. emanresu tnuocca posted:The kidnap and murder of the three youths in 2014 had nothing to do with Hamas whatsoever. http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.612039
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Feb 9, 2017 03:08
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Kim Jong Il posted:I wasn't debating the causal responsibility, just explaining Israel's reasons for the war, which had nothing to do with territorial conquest. Settlers perform territorial conquest Palestinians attack settlers Israel bombs Palestinians but that has nothing to do with territorial conquest
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Kim Jong Il posted:I wasn't debating the causal responsibility, just explaining Israel's reasons for the war, which had nothing to do with territorial conquest. Well, you're the one who brought up "territorial conquest" as a possible reason in the first place. I certainly didn't mention it, and no one else did either - except in response to your rebuttal of an argument no one had made.
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Feb 9, 2017 03:49
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Are they ever going to learn to stop shooting rockets into Israel?
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Feb 9, 2017 12:19
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Are you ever gonna stop playing apologist for and then cheerleading ethnic cleansing.
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Feb 9, 2017 15:05
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hakimashou posted:Are they ever going to learn to stop shooting rockets into Israel? They did a few years back. Didn't seem to have helped for some reason...
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Feb 9, 2017 18:19
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hakimashou posted:Are they ever going to learn to stop shooting rockets into Israel? Is Israel ever going to learn how to stop being a warcrime-committing, racial supremacist, colonialist piece of poo poo of a country?
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Nevvy Z posted:They did a few years back. Didn't seem to have helped for some reason... Cat Mattress posted:Is Israel ever going to learn how to stop being a warcrime-committing, racial supremacist, colonialist piece of poo poo of a country? Oh yeah that was it
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Feb 9, 2017 20:20
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Any guesses on how the Hamas/Iran split will affect any future Israel/Hamas wars? Will Qatar tolerate Hamas fighting against Israel?
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There's an interesting article in the NYT on the current state of the peace process. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/world/middleeast/trump-arabs-palestinians-israel.html My TLDR: - Both Trump and Netanyahu wants to turn to the anually rejected Arab peace initiative. The twist is that they want to turn the Arab states against Palestine in return for favors. - Kushner moves in the same circle as Netanyahu. - Netanyahu cautioned against moving the embassy to Jerusalem. - King Abdullah "buttonholed" Trump. It's funny to me because I don't know what "buttonhole" means, and can only imagine. - The leaked statement about settlement building was, of course, just a probe to see what would happen. Who knows what actual policy is at this point. - Not a single Palestinian appears in any form in the article. It's the New York Times after all.
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Svartvit posted:There's an interesting article in the NYT on the current state of the peace process. Buttonhole, as in to take aside and forcibly converse with.
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Feb 9, 2017 23:45
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Well now it's just not funny anymore.
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Main Paineframe posted:Well, you're the one who brought up "territorial conquest" as a possible reason in the first place. I certainly didn't mention it, and no one else did either - except in response to your rebuttal of an argument no one had made. You missed DarkCrawler's post. Svartvit posted:There's an interesting article in the NYT on the current state of the peace process. Not turn against, but even here or in the anti-Zionist web where Sunni states are largely loathed for secretly being in bed with Israel, the ties between Israel and the rest of the region are wildly underreported. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-02-02/how-do-israel-s-tech-firms-do-business-in-saudi-arabia-very-quietly
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Kim Jong Il posted:Not turn against, but even here or in the anti-Zionist web where Sunni states are largely loathed for secretly being in bed with Israel, the ties between Israel and the rest of the region are wildly underreported. Netanyahu and Trump are making a concerted effort to use the Arab states' influence in order to reach a settlement of the conflict. I think we both know that whatever settlement they would reach together would not be what in the interest of the Palestinians. They would be isolated.
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Feb 10, 2017 09:14
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Kim Jong Il posted:You missed DarkCrawler's post. So did you, apparently?
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Svartvit posted:Netanyahu and Trump are making a concerted effort to use the Arab states' influence in order to reach a settlement of the conflict. I think we both know that whatever settlement they would reach together would not be what in the interest of the Palestinians. They would be isolated. The Arabs lost their wars with Israel. So yeah, any settlement is going to go in Israel's favor.
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I still don't believe it. 2017 can't start that well. It hasn't, as point of fact.
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Xander77 posted:I still don't believe it. 2017 can't start that well. It hasn't, as point of fact. I'll believe it when the rear end in a top hat's in jail. He's survived so much.
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Wait whoa - has there been any follow up to that statement!?
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Feb 11, 2017 02:19
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hakimashou posted:The Arabs lost their wars with Israel. So yeah, any settlement is going to go in Israel's favor. That isn't what he meant. The other Arab states do not have a good relationship with Palestinians. The point is that since both Israel and the other Arab states don't care about the Palestinians, the Palestinians are basically guaranteed to be hosed with any potential deal. Of course, the idea that all Arabs aren't a hive mind is probably a bit over your head.
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Netanyahu being indicted will be fantastic for Israel, Palestinians, the peace process, and the two state solution. It'll be a loss for racist, irredentist pieces of garbage and fans of ethnic cleansing on both sides who can go back to mutually hoping fascists like Trump and Le Pen get elected to "blow up the system."
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Feb 11, 2017 03:54
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Kim Jong Il posted:Netanyahu being indicted will be fantastic for Israel, Palestinians, the peace process, and the two state solution. It'll be a loss for racist, irredentist pieces of garbage and fans of ethnic cleansing on both sides who can go back to mutually hoping fascists like Trump and Le Pen get elected to "blow up the system." what is this trash fire of a post supposed to be saying
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Dabir posted:what is this trash fire of a post supposed to be saying Someone hasn't been keeping up with Israeli politics, and doesn't realize that there are equally and arguably shittier leaders ready to take he helm as soon as Bibi is taken out of the picture.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Someone hasn't been keeping up with Israeli politics, and doesn't realize that there are equally and arguably shittier leaders ready to take he helm as soon as Bibi is taken out of the picture. I see, but what's that other idiot trying to say
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Dabir posted:I see, but what's that other idiot trying to say What are words, really?
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Absurd Alhazred posted:What are words, really? Pretty sure that dude would struggle with an answer tbqh
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Netanyahu has so thoroughly cleansed Likud of all moderates and anyone who has even a modicum of political savvy and basic human intelligence that his replacement cannot possibly be any better than him. I want to see him in prison as much as anyone else but just note that it's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets any better. Prime Minister Miri "The sudanese are a cancer in the nation's heart" Regev is not going to be too kind to palestinians. Though I'm sure accelerationists are whetting their appetite.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Prime Minister Miri "The sudanese are a cancer in the nation's heart" Regev is not going to be too kind to palestinians. Though I'm sure accelerationists are whetting their appetite. Is that his likely successor? I almost regret cheering for Bibi's downfall if that's what is in store.
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She's mega popular among the kahanist right, she a proponent of ethnic cleansing and an outspoken racist and worst of all she's considered charming and 'down to earth', she's high on the list. I'd say she's definitely in the short list. She's also one of the few in the Likud list who've risen to grandeur by her own 'merits' and thus stands to gain a lot once Netanyahu and his brown nosers like Edelstein and Ardan are out of the picture. In my opinion it's basically either her or Gideon Saar, and he's also a piece of poo poo.
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Kim Jong Il posted:Netanyahu being indicted will be fantastic for Israel, Palestinians, the peace process, and the two state solution. It'll be a loss for racist, irredentist pieces of garbage and fans of ethnic cleansing on both sides who can go back to mutually hoping fascists like Trump and Le Pen get elected to "blow up the system." Agreed, for once.
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Feb 11, 2017 09:51
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While it would be satisfying to finally see that gently caress in prison, the best case scenario is that whoever becomes the next PM is just as bad as him.
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Can someone explain why Shelly is running for the head of the Histadrut? I was genuinely hoping for a competent and charismatic Labor leader in a few years.
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The US is trying to block Salam Fayyad from being appointed as Libya envoy for no other stated reason than to spite the Palestinians. Watch as three more years of this happens, then Trump blames failing negotiations on Palestinian's "bad faith." http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/objects-palestinian-envoy-libya-170211033508144.html
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Got the hunch Trump wants to strike a deal without actually involving the palestinians, he wants to get the regional powers to agree with Israel on final borders (which will annex at least 25 of the west bank to Israel) and force the Palestinians to swallow the frog.
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emanresu tnuocca posted:Got the hunch Trump wants to strike a deal without actually involving the palestinians, he wants to get the regional powers to agree with Israel on final borders (which will annex at least 25 of the west bank to Israel) and force the Palestinians to swallow the frog. and if it works he is going to be more deserving of a Noble than Obama.
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Subjugating and opressing people is rarely rewarded with a Nobel peace prize. I'm saying rarely because it happened 1973 and 1994.
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