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GlyphGryph posted:Sorry, I mispoke, I meant anime nazis, not animes AND Nazis. Leftist animes are welcome. Well, okay. Guess I'll see if I can't join the chat then; cheers! I'm actually already waiting for verification kinda I guess  Also, regarding the entire 3rd party debate going on, iirc the US also has a number of laws on the books, varying by state, to make running 3rd parties essentially futile; only the very largest 3rd parties are able to get a consistent presence on ballots (so basically just the Green Party and the Libertarians) and most of them only put forth presidential candidates. And because they'd lack support in the legislature they'd be unlikely to be in a position to accomplish much of anything, even should they win. Well, except maybe the Libertarians, since they're basically Republicans anyway. Beyond that, I would say that morality without at least some degree of utility is of dubious value, and taking a huge risk on the vague hope that acceleration will lead to a better civilization is uh... well, I'm not a gambler. Accelerationism is a bad hand to get stuck with. We're lucky Bannon, Trump, et. all are such a polarizing buffoons; if they were competent and could manage their messaging without completely melting down all the time we'd be completely screwed, and we could quite easily still be completely screwed regardless.
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Thunder God Biden posted:Did I hear about the DSA Slack from this thread? I still haven't got my invite maybe i'm blind but where do I request an invite? I wanna get in the queue earlier rather than later
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Yeah idk either I thought it was just part of the process. I'll be bothering folks from my local chapter tomorrow at HKonJ. BTW y'all go to HKonJ if you are near Raleigh.
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I think that right now, in most places the best place to put your effort is working in the democratic party. In some areas you can be lucky enough to vote for actual socialists and even win or get close to winning. I think going forward a great deal can be taken from Socialist Alternative's success. The candidates they pick to run are also very active activists that work on their other social campaigns like 15 Now and rent control and resisting DAPL. I think that is something to keep in mind at the local level going forward, even when working within the democratic party. But working within the democratic party is good because of the amount of effort Bernie's campaign put into the primary in organizing people to get involved in the party and also just building his name brand. If I was a democrat running for office I would love the Berniecrat label, especially if Bernie himself runs in 2020, I would love if he announced really early that he was planning on running. Partially because loving Donald Trump is already running. Utilizing Bernie's structure and support base by working within the democratic party instead of focusing on a third party is probably (unfortunately) the most pragmatic thing to do right now. And at the local level put a lot of focus on moving policy through initiatives and electing the vocal people who work on those initiatives to office. Doorknob Slobber has issued a correction as of 17:41 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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what's the dems plan for fixing up gerrymandering in Wisconsin, and flipping WI, MI, PA back to blue? oh word, nothing? Cool
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Pollyanna posted:what's the dems plan for fixing up gerrymandering in Wisconsin, and flipping WI, MI, PA back to blue? oh word, nothing? Cool whats your plan for fixing gerrymandering?
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Doorknob Slobber posted:whats your plan for fixing gerrymandering? gently caress if I know
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Pollyanna posted:gently caress if I know Where I was going with that is the best place to ask that question "Hey idiot democrats, whats your plan for fixing gerrymandering?" is at county and state dem party meetings. Probably phrased exactly like that.
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Doorknob Slobber posted:whats your plan for fixing gerrymandering? *tells thread to support dems* *someone asks what dems are doing* *asks what YOU are doing for dems* Cool. Coolcoolcool.
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Thunder God Biden posted:*tells thread to support dems* Getting involved in politics means going to political party meetings, trying to get into a position where someone will hear your voice and scream at everyone. Who knew? 'the dems' at the local level are just people that can be swayed easily when enough other people come in and start screaming. Heck in my county if you pay a yearly membership fee of $25 you even get to vote and influence policy!
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Doorknob Slobber posted:Getting involved in politics means going to political party meetings, trying to get into a position where someone will hear your voice and scream at everyone. Who knew? 'the dems' at the local level are just people that can be swayed easily when enough other people come in and start screaming. Heck in my county if you pay a yearly membership fee of $25 you even get to vote and influence policy! That mightve been a better post instead of the lovely one you made. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMegFe2GUp4
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Thunder God Biden posted:That mightve been a better post instead of the lovely one you made. While its kind of phrased in a lovely way and also hillary sucks, "why don't you go run for something, then?" is really good advice. Too many positions are uncontested or not contested enough. Start with cemetery commissioner or whatever, put it on your political resume and try for something else next election. Some of those less known positions don't even have filing fees so you just put your name in a thing and you've got a 50/50 chance of cashing your allotted per cemetery commission meeting cash. I plan on doing this and really, really encourage other people interested in getting involved so as well. Just think at the next DSA meeting you can go, "yeah I'm the public restroom commissioner for Saskatchewan county, I don't even know what I do!"
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Phrased in a lovely way, you say? Interesting!
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wtf is $hillary doing in the DSA thread jfc
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Telling us to support democrats, apparently.
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Thunder God Biden posted:Telling us to support democrats, apparently. He said to work in and with the Democrats. Which yeah that is definitely a thing we should be doing. How else are we gonna take 'em over? In other words: We should support Democrats that support the DSA, and if they don't exist, become them. Which I'm pretty sure is actually the official stance of the DSA. Because smh if you're part of an activist org and you aren't running for office, convincing people to run for office, helping someone running for office get into office, and at least supporting those in your org doing any of the above. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 18:51 on Feb 10, 2017 |
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Man, I can understand why people are disappointed in the current crop of Dems, but that doesn't really change that on a strategic and tactical level we can't actually replace these lousy centrists with progressive folks if we aren't actually putting forth progressive folks with which to replace them.
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Don't think of it as 'working with the democrats', think of it as 'parasitizing the democratic party to wear its hollowed out husk like a suit'
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It's pretty straight forward. We're taking the party back for the working class. Next question?
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:Don't think of it as 'working with the democrats', think of it as 'parasitizing the democratic party to wear its hollowed out husk like a suit' ... ... ... ...yeah ok I can get with that.
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isn't this more like one of those cases where it's the host trying to take back everything from the parasite though
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:isn't this more like one of those cases where it's the host trying to take back everything from the parasite though Nah the Dems have always been a party for the elite. I'd argue they tend to be more classist than Republicans.
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Acting like "the Democrats" is some sort of foreign faraway entity and not a dumb group of clueless idiots you can influence and replace is stupid as hell If you think that ousting incompetent clowns like Robby Mook from the Dem power structure is too hard of a task for you, then good luck accomplishing anything else
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:isn't this more like one of those cases where it's the host trying to take back everything from the parasite though think of it more as fumigating to beat a boomer infestation
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HorseRenoir posted:Acting like "the Democrats" is some sort of foreign faraway entity and not a dumb group of clueless idiots you can influence and replace is stupid as hell Lol when did I imply that? I'm simply stating that the idea that Democrats have ever been left wing is bullshit. They only adopt left wing policies situationally. I support attempts to replace Dem politicians where possible. Hell, I'm canvasing tomorrow.
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I guess I am a dues paying member as of a few weeks ago in the grand state of California
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I also have paid my dues from Ohio!
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I believe that it is possible for good people to be nerds, and to be bullied, and I believe it is possible for a good person to "be" socialist without knowing it yet. I was surprised to see a strong sentiment to the contrary earlier in this thread, and I wanted to take a moment to recall the plasticity of the human brain
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saw a sign in my local library. its for a meeting about "prosperity and its distribution. How promosing 
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Internet Explorer posted:It's pretty straight forward. We're taking the party back for the working class. Next question?
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HorseRenoir posted:Acting like "the Democrats" is some sort of foreign faraway entity and not a dumb group of clueless idiots you can influence and replace is stupid as hell
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paid my dues a while ago in case that was unclear 
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MShadowy posted:I am an anime; alas.
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this isn't the piss gurgling democrats threat wtf
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Internet Explorer posted:It's pretty straight forward. We're taking the party back for the working class. Next question? hyb
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Put me in OP for Wisconsin. E: And yes, I pay dues Hilario Baldness has issued a correction as of 05:45 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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still a dues paying member, still in california, still not in the OP  made a thing. not happy with the acronym. o well, someone else can do a better one now
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I'm a card carrying dues paying socialist dirtbag in Texas.
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lancemantis posted:I guess I am a dues paying member as of a few weeks ago in the grand state of California TwoQuestions posted:I also have paid my dues from Ohio! Hilario Baldness posted:Put me in OP for Wisconsin. ChickenOfTomorrow posted:still a dues paying member, still in california, still not in the OP Added.
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