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Spangly A posted:you can't simply switch to being good journalists. It requires a shitload of resources, money, and time. There aren't enough journalits left at all, and if we remove the human opportunity cost that most of them represent, even less. What do you mean by this exactly? I'm having trouble parsing it. Just that there are fewer practicing good journalists than potential ones because of lack of resources?
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So, has this article been posted here, yet? It's pretty drat good. It's not organizing-specific, but it's about as solid a call-to-arms (literal or figurative) as I've seen. https://medium.com/@tuckerfitzgerald/intolerant-liberals-4ecd712ac939#.3s9aedkt9 quote:I have some difficult news for everyone: Progressives aren’t interested in diversity. We aren’t interested in inclusion. We aren’t interested in tolerance. The progressives I know give exactly zero shits about those things. And it goes on quite a bit from there.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:What do you mean by this exactly? I'm having trouble parsing it. No, I'm saying that press journalists who repeat wire stories after factchecking on wiki are a loving human opportunity cost. They're not useful. They sit in said job repeating editorial line and doing no investigative or critical work. Jesus, I'm hearing that only teen vogue have the balls to take on trump, and not seeing much evidence against. It's not about deciding what your own personal truth is, I'm saying that I would suspect a lot of journalists don't have the skillsets required to ever pull off a watergate moment. And not that any journalist should aim or require a watergate moment, but the total lack of basic critical skills is evident. There's more to discuss about the structure of the news as an industry but I'm not as well versed on that side of American media as I am the british, because it's basically just a matter of following the trail of corruption around Murdoch.
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Feb 9, 2017 22:42
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Spangly A posted:I'm saying that I would suspect a lot of journalists don't have the skillsets required to ever pull off a watergate moment. And not that any journalist should aim or require a watergate moment, but the total lack of basic critical skills is evident. This isn't really true and I think you need to more carefully define who you mean by journalists.
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Feb 9, 2017 22:53
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:This isn't really true and I think you need to more carefully define who you mean by journalists. Why? Hacks who write for papers are still journalists
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Feb 9, 2017 23:57
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quote:...Security forces are often reluctant to use violence against crowds that might include their neighbors or relatives. Also, in regards to the violence/non-violence angle, exactly what do the American pro-violence people think we can accomplish against the most heavily armed, technically advanced, and casually brutal military force in the world? Or one of the most heavily armed, technically advanced, and vehemently militaristic police forces on the planet? They. Will. Annihilate. Us. If. We. Get. Violent. What've we got? Rocks, spray-paint, maybe some gasoline in a beer bottle? They have assault rifles, drones, bombs, chemical weapons that literally melt your skin, battle plans drawn up by people who kill people professionally, and nukes. Going the path of violence is going to be an excellent way to serve up America on a platter to Bannon and the Republican regime.
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enki42 posted:That's a strawman, the argument isn't between "parades" and violent protest, it's between non-violent resistance (which includes direct action and civil disobedience) and violent resistance. p = .000???? yeah fuckin' right m80
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Feb 10, 2017 13:20
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dwarf74 posted:So, has this article been posted here, yet? This is a bit long, but its a great read. If you read this and you don't want to bash some heads in, you might not be a human being.
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Feb 10, 2017 17:10
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Doorknob Slobber posted:This is a bit long, but its a great read. If you read this and you don't want to bash some heads in, you might not be a human being. I also really enjoyed this and have shared it with everyone I possibly can.
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Feb 10, 2017 18:05
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Spangly A posted:No, I'm saying that press journalists who repeat wire stories after factchecking on wiki are a loving human opportunity cost. They're not useful. They sit in said job repeating editorial line and doing no investigative or critical work. Jesus, I'm hearing that only teen vogue have the balls to take on trump, and not seeing much evidence against. It's not about deciding what your own personal truth is, I'm saying that I would suspect a lot of journalists don't have the skillsets required to ever pull off a watergate moment. And not that any journalist should aim or require a watergate moment, but the total lack of basic critical skills is evident. Do you honestly believe Teen Vogue is the singular publication that has criticized or corrected this administration for all its bullshit? Or are you just concerned that we the people are spending too much salary on bloggers for the Huffington Post?
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Stinky_Pete posted:Do you honestly believe Teen Vogue is the singular publication that has criticized or corrected this administration for all its bullshit? Or are you just concerned that we the people are spending too much salary on bloggers for the Huffington Post? you don't appear capable of getting the point so here it is again an organisation doesnt "decide" to get better at reporting stories. It increases the density of its reporting coverage. It hires more reporters. And it makes sure they're slightly better at following down stories than repeating a wire. British journalism used to have a 2 verified source standard (not wire). Now a story goes to press with wire coverage, of 4-5 people per major city. It is nowhere near enough to be able to actually cover everything of interest. American journalism also uses the wire/reuters method. It does not allow for good journalism.
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Feb 11, 2017 15:09
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At Gus Bilirakis town hall in Pasco county, FL right now. Gus getting crushed. Never seen so many pissed off subrbanites.
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Feb 11, 2017 16:17
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At the Moral Movement march with my church at Raleigh; this has been happening for 11 years, a sort of joining between the NAACP and various other churches and organizations. It's a bit more crowded than it's been other years, crowded all up Fayetteville st. If anyone needs a medicine for melancholy or loneliness, I say to find a protest and bury yourself in the crowd. 
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I've actually joined the NAACP myself. If the group focuses on education and police retraining, like it has been, I think it could easily grow in influence and respect among people. The Moral Movement also seems like it's doing good work.
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Feb 11, 2017 18:08
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Kekekela posted:At Gus Bilirakis town hall in Pasco county, FL right now. Gus getting crushed. Never seen so many pissed off subrbanites. My home county doing me proud 
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Feb 11, 2017 18:32
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Kekekela posted:At Gus Bilirakis town hall in Pasco county, FL right now. Gus getting crushed. Never seen so many pissed off subrbanites.
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Feb 11, 2017 18:55
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We had a rather enormous Planned Parenthood rally in my Republican town this morning. Sadly my kids had hockey but our local NPR affiliate came through with pictures. Here's my personal favorite. 
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Feb 11, 2017 19:18
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Its getting well covered on CNN right now! Lots of video from the Q and A.
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Feb 11, 2017 20:04
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Kekekela posted:Its getting well covered on CNN right now! Lots of video from the Q and A. was that the meeting where one of the presenters said there were death panels for people aged 74 and where he said "ok children" when everyone booed? because just watching that made my blood boil
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Annual Prophet posted:was that the meeting where one of the presenters said there were death panels for people aged 74 and where he said "ok children" when everyone booed? Yeah, that's the one! There were so many people inside and outside the room (including us) shouting that guy down.
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Kekekela posted:Yeah, that's the one! There were so many people inside and outside the room (including us) shouting that guy down. sincere kudos to you for being there these people have to be resisted and confronted, it's something all of us need to be doing, and that I look forward to doing
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Kekekela posted:At Gus Bilirakis town hall in Pasco county, FL right now. Gus getting crushed. Never seen so many pissed off subrbanites. I was also at this meeting this morning. It was heartening to see how many people are truly pissed off. I met many good people there and it has restored my faith in America if people in loving Pasco County can get out like this and protest. Gus is an absolute slimeball and that Akins guy basically asked to be booed off the stage and yelled at with his remarks at the beginning of his speech. I have a videos that I'm going to upload to Youtube in a bit. It's really sad how people in favor of keeping the ACA (and in favor of single payer) had personal stories extolling the virtues of the ACA while assholes like Akins basically lied through their teeth to defend repealing it. Also Akins is apparently a birther and out of the closet racist: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.12dbf8b20e26 edit: here's the full video of Akins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5aON2G6wHc My favorite part is how he asks everyone to hold their boos and treat him with respect as people are being polite and letting him speak. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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dwarf74 posted:We had a rather enormous Planned Parenthood rally in my Republican town this morning. Sadly my kids had hockey but our local NPR affiliate came through with pictures. Here's my personal favorite. thats awesome. Where I live there were about six anti-pp protesters and about 200 pro-pp protesters some of the signs were pretty good 
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Another video of a cool old lady at the Bilirakis town hall: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_rXyN2AmT0
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Mind_Taker posted:Another video of a cool old lady at the Bilirakis town hall: i like the title of that video because they unironically are scum, because they will stop at nothing, up to and including voting for measures that will result in tragedy for vulnerable people, and spew outright lies as part of doing so, all to be sure they and those they serve pocket more dollars it's loving disgusting and they deserve to be reviled, name called, belittled, ostracized and rejected
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If you have a local chapter of Black Lives Matter or associated groups, I would look into what they're doing and if you can help out.
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If Bilirakis actually follows through on his statement to hold another town hall the entire building and the street outside are going to be packed full of angry protestors. I know I am going to bring a co-worker and my sisters this time, and I imagine even more people in the area will be attending after the coverage of the first two events.
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I was found this link through my aggregate reads of the day and I think some great information can be gleamed from here. Despite not being an "active" participant, I found the piece as a valuable insight to approaches at organizing at the local base. " The Labor Movement Must Learn These Lessons From the Election An interview with Jane McAlevey. By D.D. Guttenplan posted:
Also small bonus drop is a red state democrat's take on the democractic messaging problem. An Open Letter to the Kentucky Democratic Party
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That open letter is good, except for the "justifiably felt left behind" part*. I think that the best visible example of democrats losing touch and navel gazing is the keeping it 1600 guys, who started out with a podcast that was supposed to be "how real people talked about politics" and now essentially spend their time interviewing Seth Meyes and former Clinton aides. * People talk a lot about white working class voters being left behind, but download the Current Population Survey data and you will see that the states that flipped from Obama to Trump include not only states that white families had income increases below the national average, like Wisconsin, but also states where white median income increased more than the national average, like NC and MI. What almost all of them have in common is that minority income increased faster than white income.
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joepinetree posted:That open letter is good, except for the "justifiably felt left behind" part*. I don't think hard numbers really work here, since perception plays a big part of it. A lot of the "white middle class" or more specifically the White Middle Class in States Bill Won, you do have people who feel left behind, even if the overall economic outlook has improved -- they don't feel it and they don't feel a sense of mobility. There's a lot of reasons for this -- a lot of it is basically fictional headcanon about their mobility -- but it's real enough of a perception that we have to think about how to talk to them about it.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I don't think hard numbers really work here, since perception plays a big part of it. A lot of the "white middle class" or more specifically the White Middle Class in States Bill Won, you do have people who feel left behind, even if the overall economic outlook has improved -- they don't feel it and they don't feel a sense of mobility. There's a lot of reasons for this -- a lot of it is basically fictional headcanon about their mobility -- but it's real enough of a perception that we have to think about how to talk to them about it. My problem wasn't with the "feeling left behind" part, but with the "justifiably." A lot of the perception's not from the fact that their situation had gotten worse, but that minorities were doing better. http://www.epi.org/publication/stat...-to-lag-behind/ Ohio and Michigan white voters may have felt left behind, but the white unemployment rates for both states in 2016 were actually lower than their pre-2008 crisis levels, and in the case of Michigan substantially so. It's just that in those two states minorities saw an even bigger drop in their unemployment rates.
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joepinetree posted:My problem wasn't with the "feeling left behind" part, but with the "justifiably." A lot of the perception's not from the fact that their situation had gotten worse, but that minorities were doing better. I mean it's justifiable in the sense that the democratic left has failed to come up with a vocabulary to talk to them without giving into racism.
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Exactly. That's why it's such a mistake to view this election in strictly economic terms, because humans don't view their world and they don't make decisions in economic terms. They do it on gutfeel. They choose how to vote by asking, on some level, do I feel better or do I feel worse after 4 years of this administration. And "better or worse" is always in relation to someone else, usually a member of the outgroup. It's why people are more likely to agree with Tea Party rhetoric if they see economic data suggesting a rise in quality of life for minorities, even if that data shows their own quality of life as stable. Comparison is what matters. I'm not sure what the answer to this is, but I suspect it's going to be more effective to try to change how people view their in-group than to pass an economic stimulus package.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:I mean it's justifiable in the sense that the democratic left has failed to come up with a vocabulary to talk to them without giving into racism. Justifiable in the sense of "democrats have to do a better job of messaging to them?" Ok. Justifiable in the sense of "white voters have actually been left behind?" no
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joepinetree posted:Justifiable in the sense of "democrats have to do a better job of messaging to them?" Ok. Justifiable in the sense of "white voters have actually been left behind?" no The danger is defining white voters as homogeneous. Assholes in Wisconsin and Ohio are a lot different from people in Rural Appalachia, tbf.
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Angry_Ed posted:Anyway...I don't really know what I can do to help. I live in Massachusetts which at times seems so Blue that even our Republicans aren't all that terrible (which I know is not true but I'm being hyperbolic here). I can write to my senators and representatives of course but I want to do more. I don't have a lot of money, I don't have a lot of time (still need to work unfortunately), and the town I live in is small so even on a local level I can't affect much. Does anybody know of any New England-based or even nationally based progressive groups I could try getting involved in?
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jackpot posted:Like this, but in Richmond, Virginia and wanting to get involved. Don't have much money, don't have a ton of time, but wondering how I can get the most bang for the buck in making the world a little less of a shithole. Should I just cold-call (email) the Henrico county Democratic party and offer to help, or is there some smarter, more effective way to spend my time? You can do that, but also in like, Richmond you have lot of good nonprofits involved in all kinds of advocacy work. Richmond's United Way has web portal for finding volunteer service here: http://www.handsonrva.org/ Should also have a local chapter of PP.
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Veyrall posted:This is...a very good point. Is there some way we can prioritize recruiting within the families of the military and the police? I think police and military personnel themselves might be contractually forbidden from protesting, but their families would be under no such restriction and could form a useful front line for discouraging police violence against demonstrations and protests. This is all theoretically speaking, I don't quite consider myself a pacifist, nor a historian, but I'm almost one. Isn't the entire idea behind guerrilla warfare turning your enemies strengths into weakness? For example, Uncle Ho was able to continually harass the French in Indochina until he completely annihilated them at dien bien phu. Castro was able to take over the entire island starting with what? 20 soldiers? Carlos the Jackal raided OPEC', took hostages, flew away in a DC-9 and got away with at least $20 million dollars for the FPLP. I haven't read Che's book on guerrilla warfare, but it seems that a dedicated volunteer army almost always wins against a professional/conscript army, no matter the size (barring outside intervention). Besides, if another revolutionary war were to erupt in the US (God forbid), How many Soldiers/Marines/Airmen/Sailors are really going to be able to pull the trigger against their own countrymen, family members, friends, etc.? I don't know, I just hope and pray it never comes down to it
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