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Snowman_McK posted:I've generally found that any movie that puts a comparison to another movie up front, like, on the poster or DVD case or whatever, is terrible. Frequently irredeemably so. I'm fascinated by the idea that people in their 30s are...too old to go to the movies?
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DeimosRising posted:I'm fascinated by the idea that people in their 30s are...too old to go to the movies? You know us elderly have to pee a lot.
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DeimosRising posted:I'm fascinated by the idea that people in their 30s are...too old to go to the movies? They don't go nearly as frequently as teenagers or early students. Busy with life or whatever. Jobs and kids. The current generation of 30-somethings go more than previous ones, but still nothing close younger demographics.
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MariusLecter posted:Ballistic vest technology that allows for all that side boob is closer to reality than you think! Wow, i hadn't even looked at her yet. This picture is, in terms of being outright disgusting, an absolute master piece.
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Mithaldu posted:Wow, i hadn't even looked at her yet. This picture is, in terms of being outright disgusting, an absolute master piece. Huh?
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Mithaldu posted:Wow, i hadn't even looked at her yet. This picture is, in terms of being outright disgusting, an absolute master piece. Overstating it a bit there, man.
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It looks a lot less overtly sexual than any number of shots from the anime.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It looks a lot less overtly sexual than any number of shots from the anime. Or just most similar promo shots of any female action movie character. It's about as tame as that pose gets.
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UmOk posted:
Equilibrium owns. Too bad it gets so often compared to the Matrix.
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equilibrium is a really good bad movie
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I bought Equilibrium the month it came out, more or less, and I still haven't got round to wtaching it.
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Ramagamma posted:I bought Equilibrium the month it came out, more or less, and I still haven't got round to wtaching it. It has a really cute dog in it. So cute it breaks the faith of Christian Bale's high level shooty monk of dystopian repression.
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Equilibrium is what Last Action Hero would interpret 1984 to be, as opposed to Hamlet.
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Ramagamma posted:I bought Equilibrium the month it came out, more or less, and I still haven't got round to wtaching it. Get really drunk or high, pop in the DVD(?) and strap in, duder.
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I'm kind of leery of the whole "they stole your life" thing because it just seems stupid. Why would you bother "stealing" someone and erasing their memories? There are tons of dying people you could pop into a full body prosthetic that would work exactly as well with no mustache twirling. Hell, I'm sure there are military dudes like Bato who would volunteer for the procedure. It reminds me of the comic We-3, where they decided to include the stupid detail that the animal cyborgs were originally housepets. THERE IS NO DOG SHORTAGE! THE EVIL LAB DID NOT HAVE TO STEAL A GOLDEN RETRIEVER TO GET THEIR HANDS ON ONE! Maybe they have a good answer but I dunno...
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I'm kind of guessing "they stole it" is largely Kuze's interpretation of full cyberization. It wouldn't be much of a shift from his views in the series. Alternatively, it's the Deus Ex situation where they did save her life but complete cyberization was not necessary, just an opportunity to go a step further that they took. At any rate, the Major not remember he pre-cyborg life is not new. It's a detail directly from Oshii's film and a contributing factor to her existential crisis regarding her identity. The show went the opposite way and had her recall perfectly... I don't know what the manga's depiction of her past was. Bugblatter fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Feb 9, 2017 |
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The Major was turned near full cyborg as a baby/child, which allows her to more effectively use the various abilities of cybernetics and hacking since they are all she's ever known. Similar to how you are exponentially better with computers than someone who came of age prior to the 1980s/90s. Taking a baby/child, who of course never asked for this, and making them just this side of a robot is generally what they're most likely talking about when they say that "they" stole the Major's life.
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It's not a huge departure from the major's own view in the 95 film. She bitterly comments on the fact that they are dependent on government maintenance, and that although they can quit Section 9 it would require not only leaving their cyborg bodies behind, but also erasing their all memories that inform their personality. They are "owned."
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Sure, but again, there are tons of kids with congenital defects or cancer or whatever that would serve just as well. Having to give up your super awesome cyborg body for a crappy box on wheels is still superior to dying at age 4 or whatever.
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7c Nickel posted:Sure, but again, there are tons of kids with congenital defects or cancer or whatever that would serve just as well. Having to give up your super awesome cyborg body for a crappy box on wheels is still superior to dying at age 4 or whatever. That's pretty much what happened or is implied to happen in all GitS material, so likely is the case here too. They saved a dying child and, depending on which GitS you're watching/reading, a loss of memory was a side-effect. The downside to leaving Section 9 in the 95 film isn't having an inferior body (humanoid bodies can be purchased, that's exactly what happens at the end), it's losing a large chunk of the memories that form your identity. The Major, who is already having an existential crisis about her own existence as an individual, doesn't consider that a real option, and so she can't leave. Kuze just seems to be stating that interpretation of the situation in bolder terms. He may believe it would have been better to be left to die. He's not saying they literally kidnapped a person to turn them into a robot...
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DeimosRising posted:I'm fascinated by the idea that people in their 30s are...too old to go to the movies? having to find a babysitter is a huge pain in the rear end
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mastershakeman posted:having to find a babysitter is a huge pain in the rear end I'm fortunate in that my mom lives with us and our neighbors have a kid the same age as ours. Childcare isn't an issue, privilege rules
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mastershakeman posted:having to find a babysitter is a huge pain in the rear end That's why you just take you kid with you, especially if you can find a good R rated Horror movie. I've found that there's nothing kids love more than loud violence and terrifying images to feed their nightmares.
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Bugblatter posted:It's not a huge departure from the major's own view in the 95 film. She bitterly comments on the fact that they are dependent on government maintenance, and that although they can quit Section 9 it would require not only leaving their cyborg bodies behind, but also erasing their all memories that inform their personality. They are "owned." "I'M NOT OWNED! I'M NOT OWNED!" *fade to black, credits roll*
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Zzulu posted:equilibrium is a really good bad movie It's one of those movies that if you watch it when you're 18 and male, you'll think its the coolest loving thing to ever happen on screen. Later on, less so. To be fair, that also sort of applies to '95 GitS.
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:It's one of those movies that if you watch it when you're 18 and male, you'll think its the coolest loving thing to ever happen on screen. Later on, less so. No it doesn't 
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Bugblatter posted:No it doesn't Agree. I watched it as an 18 year old male and new it was trash.
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Bugblatter posted:Or just most similar promo shots of any female action movie character. It's about as tame as that pose gets. Like... I get the TNA pose thing, but basically any dramatic pose where the hero is looking back over their shoulder at the audience is going to get some sideboob when it's an actress. That's just kinda the physics involved there. All that thick body armor really minimizes it here compared to more egregious cases.
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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If this movie turns out really mediocre and bombs in the box office, 1. I won't be surprised and 2. I'd be very worried for the Cowboy Bebop adaptation if it ever gets out of development hell.
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Junior Jr. posted:If this movie turns out really mediocre and bombs in the box office, 1. I won't be surprised and 2. I'd be very worried for the Cowboy Bebop adaptation if it ever gets out of development hell. There is no way this movie could be worse than the source material. I don't know how bad Coyboys Beatbox is because GiTS ruined anime for me forever.
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UmOk posted:There is no way this movie could be worse than the source material. I don't know how bad Coyboys Beatbox is because GiTS ruined anime for me forever.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Like... I get the TNA pose thing, but basically any dramatic pose where the hero is looking back over their shoulder at the audience is going to get some sideboob when it's an actress. That's just kinda the physics involved there. All that thick body armor really minimizes it here compared to more egregious cases. Believe it or not, most of Kusanagi's single image poses are made up of backshots, some more egregious than the others.  Somewhat sensible and what the Empire cover shot seems to be based on.    Oh, come on.  OH COME ON, PEOPLE. The only time I've seen that pose sexualized for a male protagonist was the cover of Crysis 2, because that's an rear end.  "Come get some" Young Freud fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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I'm terribly unprogressive, but if there is a ton of Scarlet rear end shots and sideboob, I won't be sitting there really angered by it.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:I'm terribly unprogressive, but if there is a ton of Scarlet rear end shots and sideboob, I won't be sitting there really angered by it. I'm not looking forward to this film because i saw the ghost in the shell anime once and got bored halfway through, I'm watching it because I'm in love with scarlett johansson
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Of all the things to adapt from GitS, the creepy sexism is not one of them. The SAC show is pretty bad at it, but I don't recall getting worked up about the movie. I remember the first episode where the Major steps out of the tank, and of course the camera is placed exactly where you think it would. After all, adaptation is about finding what made the original good and adapting that - and only that.
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That shot of Total Film cover is not a still from the film. We already have a trailer that depicts Major doing the exact same 'strip-and-kill' gimmicks that she does in the manga/anime, and it's actually less revealing than the manga/anime, which traded on explicit nudity. Finally saw Ghost in the Shell '95 last night. It was good. Contrary to what this thread brought me to believe, the plot wasn't hard to follow at all. Also, contrary to what fanboys would have you believe, Kusanagi is not, like, some 'empowered' ray of sunshine.
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ufarn posted:Of all the things to adapt from GitS, the creepy sexism is not one of them. One of the major factors of GITS is Kusanagi getting naked a lot, if you want to blame anyone for making that a thing, you can tell it to Shirow Masamune. He made sexy Motoko one of the selling points in the manga (as well as the censored e-sex panels), everyone else who adapted it just went along with it. and he drew creepy cowgirl porn, so there's that.
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Young Freud posted:Believe it or not, most of Kusanagi's single image poses are made up of backshots, some more egregious than the others. People have very little understanding of what exploitation is, and so get upset at seeing a breast, like the solution is to cover up breasts and then capitalism will function as it should. Of course you then have the equally-dumb counterargument about freeing the nipple from patriarchal repression or whatever. The telling point with this series of images is that the liberal-progressive GIRL POWER headline of the first image is inextricably linked to the softcore-pornographic qualities of the last. You cannot have the one without the other. If you're to ask which one is exploitative, the truth is that they both are.
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o wow rly makes u think mangYoung Freud posted:Believe it or not, most of Kusanagi's single image poses are made up of backshots, some more egregious than the others. Oh believe me, I am very very well aware. I'm not concerned about them really sexualizing the Major (nor do I care, nor does the character herself ever care) even though I don't think that's going to happen with a mass market action movie. I'm just commenting that they're toning it down in the advertising compared to what's come before in the GITS universe. 
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