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I'm sincerely confused, so is this an internet troll thing that I don't get? Cause I googled the whole "cuck" thing, and I came up with a page of reddit links. Is this reddit now? Have I been gone so long? Do people not like John Oliver, or is this some kind of new level of irony that I'm completely ignorant of? Oh poo poo, the new season started tonight didn't it...
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Solvent posted:I'm sincerely confused, so is this an internet troll thing that I don't get? Cause I googled the whole "cuck" thing, and I came up with a page of reddit links. Do you know how when you were in junior high, there was that one *rear end in a top hat* kid who was ~cool~ simply because he always had new words that upset the teachers whenever he said them? That's basically why "cuck" is part of the political vocabulary now. "Cuck" is the new "human being" to 4channers and alt-right redditors, since "human being" has lost its pizazz and will get your subreddit closed for hate speech. Oh, and most of them are the sort who believe that they're ~Alpha males~ and all of the girlfriends and wives would much prefer to gently caress *them* than the "beta cucks" they're with now, and in cuckold pornography, generally the 'hotwife' is always loving a black guy. It's a term that checks all of their terrible boxes. BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:07 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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Solvent posted:I'm sincerely confused, so is this an internet troll thing that I don't get? Cause I googled the whole "cuck" thing, and I came up with a page of reddit links. Cuck is obviously an abbreviation of cuckhold/cuckservative, and is now used as a general purpose insult by wannabe edgy teens or those with the maturity thereof. The fact I had to type out all of this is very disappointing. Josh Lyman fucked around with this message at 07:52 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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Feb 13, 2017 07:48
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Holy loving poo poo. (That episode, not this conversation, probably only because I skimmed it.)
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It was a good idea to go hard on the reality thing, especially since as Oliver pointed out without a foundation of shared reality to work with there's not much point in doing any kind of deep analysis or policy discussion. If people have completely retreated to a place that no fact can penetrate if it doesn't conform to worldview, there is no room for discussion of any kind, so it's smart to prime the audience for the season ahead by reminding them to stay grounded at a time when a lot of people are surging off into bubbles. It fits in with a lot of discussion going on in the liberal and left circles at the moment about tactics and goals in the Trump era. Fact-checking gets a lot of pushback even from people who are nominally on the same side since quite obviously Trump and his willfully ignorant supporters don't actually care about the truth and are actively working to undermine the concept, but I think Oliver did a good job of articulating why it's important anyway for an opposition to stay concerned about what the facts are. It isn't sufficient to overcome Trump or his allies, but it does preserve an important standard that'll need to be reasserted in the post-Trump era, and the nation as a whole will suffer if everyone just abandons facts and embraces belief as the only standard for reality.
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Feb 13, 2017 10:08
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Huh, I guess that makes sense. My anthropology professor said something about the evolution of language, and then proceeded to quietly ask the TA if he'd pimped one of his upcoming classes adequately. I want so badly for Alex Jones to be funny again, and yes, I did breathe a sigh of relief when the news banner on my phone had said Mary Tyler More died. I remember being somewhat burnt out by news of what a bad president Bush 2 was, the same punchlines on the Daily Show recycled every night it seemed back then. This however, is astounding, and new at a pace that seems impossible to keep up with. It was nice to hear a number put on the executive orders issued so far. 24? Has it even been a month? The total media saturation of this president is just brain melting, and I had thought the coverage he got during the primary/campaign was bad. I'm sincerely hoping for the long in coming backlash against that kid in blizzard chat shouting cuck at people. I mean, he should be an IK of C-SPAM or something. It's like this Dadaist chain of political news stories can't come up with anything that would surprise me anymore. The breathless way that Johnny Triggerwarning is able to sum up the how I feel, and package it so as to comfort me with the feeling that I'm not lost in a world of alternative facts, but am right where I thought I was, suffering through an administration made up of internet trolls, is just what I needed apparently. This goes beyond politics, into a realm that can leave someone who didn't grow up in early 20th century Europe asking if this is real life right now. Terrifying and chaotic on the surface, would be just the sort of thing that an administration hell bent on repealing as much protective legislation as possible would want to look like. That's the kind of distracting, disorienting, white knuckle ride that makes people so willing to go along with whatever crazy poo poo comes down the pipe. I can only hope that's the case, and the worst we have to worry about is a money grab, and a bunch of sweetheart deals. But Jones? Spicer? Breitbart? How far can the white nationalist movement get in four years (at least two)? Is the backlash against narcissistic prattling going to come soon enough? Is the judicial branch going to be able to hold out against the executive, long enough for people to realize this is NOT what they want? Oliver may be right, the media is going to be what saves us 
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Let's not kid ourselves. For the past few years until bans were handed out and word filters changed it, cuck was in extremely wide use here, especially in GBS. We're not immune. It wasn't just a Reddit problem, it's an internet problem that leaked into mainstream right wing politics from the weirdest of internet sources. I wish I could show this episode to my very religious grandparents who get all their news from Fox News and are (at least before the inauguration - I haven't spoken to them in a while) true Trump believers) but it would be dismissed immediately because of the swearing as not worth their time, and if I simply related the message to them they'd just tell me why I'm wrong. It's unfortunate that they are such nice, good people that got sucked in to trump's and Fox's weird warped reality.
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Solvent posted:It was nice to hear a number put on the executive orders issued so far. 24? Has it even been a month? For comparison, Obama issued 276 executive orders in total (approx 2.9 per month on average), George W Bush issued 291 (approx 3 per month), Big Willy Clinton issued 364 (approx 3.8 a month) and George H Bush issued 166 (approx 3.5 a month). FDR got a bit hyperactive with his New Deal and issued 3,522 executive orders over 12 years which averages out to about 24.5 per month so I guess Trump is following his pattern except, y'know, doing the opposite of all that New Deal stuff.
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Feb 13, 2017 15:18
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Solvent posted:I'm sincerely confused, so is this an internet troll thing that I don't get? Cause I googled the whole "cuck" thing, and I came up with a page of reddit links. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/every-insult-the-right-uses-to-troll-liberals-explained
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Feb 13, 2017 15:22
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GutBomb posted:Let's not kid ourselves. For the past few years until bans were handed out and word filters changed it, cuck was in extremely wide use here, especially in GBS. We're not immune. It wasn't just a Reddit problem, it's an internet problem that leaked into mainstream right wing politics from the weirdest of internet sources. Just goes to show that turning GBS into a figurative garbage fire all those years back in the interest of 'bringing back the fun' wasn't really the best of decisions.
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Maybe the thought process was "FYAD is too meta, we need a board that's genuinely terrible."
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Anyone see which of the commercials aired today?
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BIG HEADLINE posted:"Cuck" is the new "human being" to 4channers and alt-right redditors, since "human being" has lost its pizazz and will get your subreddit closed for hate speech. I wish it was as simplistic as "human being" in its implication. Because the more I think about the rationale behind it, the weirder it feels. Liberal white men are "cucks," apparently, because they support feminist women and are comfortable with an inclusive multiethnic society. So basically, in the minds of alt-right trolls, your wife or girlfriend is 100% going to gently caress other men if she 1) feels sociopolitically powerful, and 2) lives in any reasonable proximity to black dudes. Like, unless you brutalize women into political submission and keep minorities away from her, she's naturally predisposed to gently caress them. It's an insult apparently rooted in the belief that unless white men take active measures to prevent it, black men are simply too fuckable for white women to resist. I think that explains a lot about why these are also the people so reluctant to put Idris Elba into a tuxedo. Him as James Bond would simply be too handsome. Their heart and their head would collapse under the weight of the internal conflict. 
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I used to believe this speak (cuck, redpill, MRA BS) was just toxic masculinity infecting the less well-read and could be safely ignored. 
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Feb 13, 2017 22:46
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BIG HEADLINE posted:"Last Cuck Tonight with Johnny Trigger-Warning" should be high up on the candidates for said hypothetical thread's title, though. If there isn't going to be a new thread, that should be this thread's new title, for sure.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:47
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Die Sexmonster! posted:I used to believe this speak (cuck, redpill, MRA BS) was just toxic masculinity infecting the less well-read and could be safely ignored. It still basically is. It just turns out that MRAs and neo-nazis run in the same circles.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:It still basically is. It just turns out that MRAs and neo-nazis run in the same circles.
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GutBomb posted:Let's not kid ourselves. For the past few years until bans were handed out and word filters changed it, cuck was in extremely wide use here, especially in GBS. We're not immune. It wasn't just a Reddit problem, it's an internet problem that leaked into mainstream right wing politics from the weirdest of internet sources. I can't really think of a time where people weren't using cuck ironically since it came into use here, but then again I don't read GBS outside of certain megathreads. The whole subject of "Is GBS good?" is better spent on a thread in QCS that everyone can largely ignore.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:It still basically is. It just turns out that MRAs and neo-nazis run in the same circles. Which I find interesting, because it's not like MRA's are *necessarily* white guys. There's gotta be a huge contingent of nonwhite men still into douchebag MRA poo poo. "American women are the worst! Insubordinate drunk whores!" "Yeah!" "I'm gonna get a mail-order bride, who knows how a wife's suppose to behave!" "Yeah!" "But only the white Eastern European kind! So my kids will be pure and not some third-world garbage!" "Ye...wait, what?"
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biracial bear for uncut posted:If there isn't going to be a new thread, that should be this thread's new title, for sure. Okay.
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Solvent posted:Huh, I guess that makes sense. My anthropology professor said something about the evolution of language, and then proceeded to quietly ask the TA if he'd pimped one of his upcoming classes adequately. GutBomb posted:It's unfortunate that they are such nice, good people that got sucked in to trump's and Fox's weird warped reality.
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coyo7e posted:Spoiler: if you get caught up in a racist hateful paranoid worldview - you're not a nice good people - you're a loving monster with no self-will or critical thinking abilities, who I hope dies soon. I don't know about "I hope they die soon," but I definitely used to think partisan divisions in the US were fairly reconcilable over some long term. "Arc of history" poo poo where people's arbitrary social biases would erode in big and small ways, and it'd look like "progress" from a macro enough perspective, whatever "progress" means. The current political situation makes me not think that anymore. I honestly have trouble seeing any way to reconcile "coastal values" people hold in CA, NY, and New England with whatever motivations right-conservatives have in high concentrations elsewhere in the country. The absolute night and day nature of how literally everyone I speak to sees the current administration, and how people in red states see it staggers me. Whenever I hear "reach across the aisle" arguments, I can't even make sense of how you'd apply it. What would that even look like? You have a huge cohort of conservatives who believe and propagate lies in service of an explicitly white supremacist agenda, and then there's everyone else. "Compromise" means accepting a worldview that is verifiably built on lies, and engaging with bad faith political arguments as if they are equally valid.
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coyo7e posted:Except that the Trump administration is basically the polar opposite of dadaism, insofar as that dadaism was an affront to capitalism, and well, now this administration is a dada version of pro-capitalism. Sorta, I was going for that whole "fountain" thing. So yeah, I guess this would be the dada version of dada. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp) Edit to fix link. Solvent fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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Xealot posted:I don't know about "I hope they die soon," but I definitely used to think partisan divisions in the US were fairly reconcilable over some long term. "Arc of history" poo poo where people's arbitrary social biases would erode in big and small ways, and it'd look like "progress" from a macro enough perspective, whatever "progress" means. The thing is that the Republican establishment isn't "conservative", it's authoritarian. The Democrats are traditionally conservative. The problem is that those are the only two choices available (which is probably why the majority of the country just doesn't bother to vote), so people still see it as a left/right dichotomy because they feel like it HAS to be, because with only two choices available they have to be on opposite ends of the spectrum, right? And of course the Republicans put a lot of effort into pushing this idea because it makes their ideas seem more "normal" to the masses, thus maintaining their position as the "conservative" option rather than the oligarchs and fringe lunatics they actually are. What you need to keep in mind is that on a macro scale things HAVE "progressed". Compare the status of LGBT issues now to even 30 years ago - you wouldn't even have been able to bring up gay marriage as something to seriously consider as recently as the 1980's. What we're seeing now is reactionary pushback, which is exacerbated by the fact that the bar for the extreme right to make their point is a lot lower than for more rational moderates: when rational minds want to make a point, they have to back it up with solid evidence. All the extreme right needs to do is just muddy the water enough that nobody trusts anything, then provide some easy answers that reinforce people's existing prejudices.
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Drifter posted:Nobody has the money to start a third party. Maybe if the facebook guy gets into things he could help pave the way for a third, but I doubt it. Our electoral system is mathematically designed to prevent a 3rd party from being a viable alternative without becoming a spoiler for a party that has intersected coalitions. The US would have to convert itself to a proportional representation system that allots seats by percentage rather than win/lose elections in gerrymandered districts.
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My dream scenario involves some sort of flip resulting in what we currently think of as "normal" Democrats representing this new Republican party and the Democrats being very progressive types. I'm not so foolish to think this will actually happen but if there is such a thing as sensible Republicans and they feel like they need to distance themselves from the insane base maybe that's the first step?
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Neeksy posted:Our electoral system is mathematically designed to prevent a 3rd party from being a viable alternative without becoming a spoiler for a party that has intersected coalitions. The US would have to convert itself to a proportional representation system that allots seats by percentage rather than win/lose elections in gerrymandered districts. Essentially this. 3rd parties have their place at other levels of government and can be important for bringing new ideas to the table in the presidential election. However, we cannot have 3 fully functioning and viable parties for president as long as we have the current electoral college. The only role for a 3rd party at that level is to replace another party in decline. At that point though, you are probably better off pushing for reform of one or both of the existing parties. It will be a quicker path to success in most cases.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:The thing is that the Republican establishment isn't "conservative", it's authoritarian. The Democrats are traditionally conservative. The problem is that those are the only two choices available (which is probably why the majority of the country just doesn't bother to vote), so people still see it as a left/right dichotomy because they feel like it HAS to be, because with only two choices available they have to be on opposite ends of the spectrum, right? And of course the Republicans put a lot of effort into pushing this idea because it makes their ideas seem more "normal" to the masses, thus maintaining their position as the "conservative" option rather than the oligarchs and fringe lunatics they actually are. If you think there's a distinct authoritarian party in American politics then you don't get American politics. The jails will stay full, domestic surveillance will increase, we'll kill a good amount of random foreigners, power will continue to be centralized regardless of whose elected. There's nothing especially authoritarian about Trump besides him being too incompetent to do a decent PR job about it.
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SickZip posted:If you think there's a distinct authoritarian party in American politics then you don't get American politics. The jails will stay full, domestic surveillance will increase, we'll kill a good amount of random foreigners, power will continue to be centralized regardless of whose elected. There's nothing especially authoritarian about Trump besides him being too incompetent to do a decent PR job about it. Yeah, by European standards both the republicans and democrats are super right.
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