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ate poo poo on live tv posted:You should be as they are to blame for the state of the Democratic Party. not really I think it's a cumulative reaction of pivoting right after Carter's spectacular failure as president and moving towards centrist policies in the attempt to peel off "reasonable" republicans and make the tent bigger if anything the success of Clinton's terms and relative steadiness of Obama's gave a false sense of security in incrementalism even as the howling id of the House proved there was no benefit in triangulation The Clintons are a symptom not a cause (although a very noticeable one) and anyone who voted for a single thing or cabinet Trump proposed needs to be thrown out on their ear (lol (it was all of them))
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Maybe Hillary Clinton is floating the idea of running again because she thinks it will keep Trump from prosecuting her, and crossing the dictatorship line of jailing your political enemies. Well if she is, the jokes on her, cause Trump don't give a fuuuuuuuuuuck.
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zegermans posted:Wrong thread yo
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Philip Rivers posted:Hillary's best move is to stay out of the 2018 primaries but campaign and fundraise hella for the Dem noms. Hillary's best move is to wander the forests of upstate New York and never be seen or heard from again outside of occasional blurry photographs from mommy bloggers.
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Just talked to a coworker who voted Bernie and Trump and believes in Alex Jones and Pizzagate. He told me that Obama was bisexual, and then I said "yeah you know Michelle is actually trans and her deadname is Mike" and he said that that was a dumb conspiracy theory. I wonder what kind of economic anxiety made him that way.
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deadgoon posted:i think alex jones is real too But he's Bill Hicks?
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zegermans posted:Just talked to a coworker who voted Bernie and Trump and believes in Alex Jones and Pizzagate. He told me that Obama was bisexual, and then I said "yeah you know Michelle is actually trans and her deadname is Mike" and he said that that was a dumb conspiracy theory. probably the kind that has led him to a job where he has to interact with you on a regular basis
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zegermans posted:Just talked to a coworker who voted Bernie and Trump and believes in Alex Jones and Pizzagate. He told me that Obama was bisexual, and then I said "yeah you know Michelle is actually trans and her deadname is Mike" and he said that that was a dumb conspiracy theory. no one cares about that anymore what's ur thoughts on butt edge-edge?
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net work error posted:That would require her to be selfless though? No, it just requires her to care about the Democratic Party and her own legacy. It's good win-win politics, more Dems get elected and Clinton gets to put the internal party battle behind her and remind people why she's a good ally to have. It makes a lot of sense to me that she'd do it this way, and magnanimous is a good look for her.
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seriously who among us would be able to resist the call of MAGA if you had to interact with fuckin zegermans on a daily basis
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boot edge like a shoe knife like in that james bond movie imagine i looked up that james bond movie and posted a link to a clip in youtube
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Thoguh posted:Hillary's best move is to wander the forests of upstate New York and never be seen or heard from again outside of occasional blurry photographs from mommy bloggers. I was oddly fine with the campaign she ran, misogyny just boiled over and pretty much any dem was going to get ambushed. Plus, she was driving uphill the entire way with "WILL THIS OLD LADY THAT FAINTS EVER RELEASE HER EMAILS?!?!?!" 24/7 while Trump got constant free publicity, including about his lovely hotel "Hey guys Trump bad he racist and sexist" is a p. sensible message, and she had next to no public bandwidth to get her actual platform out there. I'm pretty sure she campaigned everywhere she needed to but we never heard about it because EMAILS EMAILS EMAILS so I don't know either way, which is pretty indicative of the problem at large. She got the early vote and got people out, she won the gd popular vote, it's just the 70%+ or whatever ridiculous number of white people that needed to vote for Trump voted for Trump and were never going to vote for anyone else because holy poo poo America is awful Oddly what I won't forgive is her (and Obama and the democrats in general) loving off forever as soon as the election results came in, instead of being out there every loving day talking about Russia's tampering, Trump's general awfulness, and the threat he poses to the nation in general. Instead they quietly handed the keys off to a lunatic with zero complaints and were nowhere to be found during the day zero protests of Trump's bullshit. Hillary of all people should've been in the loving women's march, there's a ton of women I talk to daily (heh  ) that are still very very enamored of Clinton. Instead whoops turns out she only cares about the office, who knew
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No no, they were saying "BOOOOOT EDGE"
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Chokes McGee posted:[clinton apologia] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moNHfeBJ81I
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Chokes McGee posted:Hillary of all people should've been in the loving women's march, there's a ton of women I talk to daily (heh otoh the sooner they realize clinton isn't on their side and doesn't have their best interests at heart the better
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hey thanks for your nuanced answer to my thoughtful post that criticized Clinton and the Democratic establishment too *checks forum name* oh carry on then 
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The Muppets On PCP posted:otoh the sooner they realize clinton isn't on their side and doesn't have their best interests at heart the better 
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Chokes McGee posted:Oddly what I won't forgive is her (and Obama and the democrats in general) loving off forever as soon as the election results came in, instead of being out there every loving day talking about Russia's tampering, Trump's general awfulness, and the threat he poses to the nation in general. Instead they quietly handed the keys off to a lunatic with zero complaints and were nowhere to be found during the day zero protests of Trump's bullshit. Hillary of all people should've been in the loving women's march, there's a ton of women I talk to daily (heh I'm honestly not sure there was a good play for her besides to dip out for a bit. If she did anything that could be misconstrued as anti-Trump she'd be crucified as a usurper. Turns out that Trump's greatest move in the debates was to threaten the peaceful transfer of power because when Hillary rightfully slammed the poo poo out of him for saying that, she boxed herself out of saying anything substantive about the Trump admin's insanity.
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Chokes McGee posted:hey thanks for your nuanced answer to my thoughtful post that criticized Clinton and the Democratic establishment too  You need to source your quotes.
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gently caress i hate this guys rhetorical style
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Boner Zone posted:seriously who among us would be able to resist the call of MAGA if you had to interact with fuckin zegermans on a daily basis I honestly would vote for Trump and be an unironic red hat if I had to deal with Zegerman on a daily basis.
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zegermans posted:She has no fundraising power if she's not going to be in an influential position to give her donors kickbacks. There's nothing singularly attractive about her to give money towards other than her corruption. 
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Philip Rivers posted:I'm honestly not sure there was a good play for her besides to dip out for a bit. If she did anything that could be misconstrued as anti-Trump she'd be crucified as a usurper. Turns out that Trump's greatest move in the debates was to threaten the peaceful transfer of power because when Hillary rightfully slammed the poo poo out of him for saying that, she boxed herself out of saying anything substantive about the Trump admin's insanity. who gives a poo poo if she's crucified, Donald J Trump was elected to the highest office in the land, at that point all bets are off (and it goes back to being political and wanting to be seen as "playing nice" instead of, you know, putting her voice behind the fact that Trump is a huge nazi) ThndrShk2k posted:
i am SO ANGRY ON THE INTERNET ABOUT CLINTON jesus YOU HAVE NO IDEA gently caress YOU gently caress YOU gently caress YOU
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seriously though it'd be nice if someone spent time putting actual effort into a response but honestly who cares it's C-SPAM you do you
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Chokes McGee posted:I was oddly fine with the campaign she ran, misogyny just boiled over and pretty much any dem was going to get ambushed. Counter-point: Her campaign loving sucked poo poo
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Chokes McGee posted:not really I think it's a cumulative reaction of pivoting right after Carter's spectacular failure as president and moving towards centrist policies in the attempt to peel off "reasonable" republicans and make the tent bigger I'm not referring to Bill's Presidency which was fairly successful as far as a centrist poo poo-pile goes. However after his presidency the Clinton's set about reforming the Democratic Party for the express purpose of getting Hillary Elected in 2008. Then when Hillary got Schlonged in 2008 by one of their old-time rivals, Kennedy, they made sure it would never happen again. Then proceeded to gut the party of anyone who wasn't 100% on team clinton. That's why she ran unopposed in 2016, well she was supposed to be unopposed. 
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:Counter-point: Her campaign loving sucked poo poo disagree although there were some pretty cringeworthy moments Like I said she won the popular vote but that doesn't mean poo poo towards the electoral college and welp
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mormonpartyboat posted:bernie cant cum anymore hes too old low energy. sad!!!!!!
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:I'm not referring to Bill's Presidency which was fairly successful as far as a centrist poo poo-pile goes. However after his presidency the Clinton's set about reforming the Democratic Party for the express purpose of getting Hillary Elected in 2008. Then when Hillary got Schlonged in 2008 by one of their old-time rivals, Kennedy, they made sure it would never happen again. Then proceeded to gut the party of anyone who wasn't 100% on team clinton. That's why she ran unopposed in 2016, well she was supposed to be unopposed. was Dean part of that b/c his 50 state strategy was a major reason towards all the blue dogs that stalled Obama's poo poo, I feel idk I'm mostly pulling this stuff out of my 
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She lost to orange comedy candidate man who I think was actually the least liked presidential candidate ever She didn't campaign in Wisconsin despite having infinite money She lost Ohio by almost 10 freaking points
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mormonpartyboat posted:bernie cant cum anymore hes too old that doesn't matter we all cum for bernie
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Chokes McGee posted:was Dean part of that b/c his 50 state strategy was a major reason towards all the blue dogs that stalled Obama's poo poo, I feel No Dean wasn't, but Tim Kaine was.
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