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The only reason I even got to the end of BvS is because my brain was full of (not even remotely medicinal) weed.
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Justice League Dark featuring Batman Worth it for Constantine's jokes. Dubstep theme tune is loving atrocious
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Lego Batman is amazing. So many obscure jokes - kids will love it, but comic nerds will love it too. Casting spoiler - I think I was the only one laughing my rear end off when I realized Billy Dee Williams was doing the voice of Two Face. Had to explain why it was funny after the movie to my friend.
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Rocksicles posted:Justice League Dark featuring Batman Has it been sitting on a shelf since 2013? Who the gently caress cares about dubstep in 2017? After seeing Lego Batman, I kind of want them to take the voice cast and make a straight Batman animated show using this cast. Or just cast Rosario Dawsome as DCCU Batgirl or Batwoman.
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I watched BvS finally today and it was nowhere near as awful as I was expecting but it wasn't good and was about an hour too long (the director's cut).
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Endless Mike posted:I watched BvS finally today and it was nowhere near as awful as I was expecting but it wasn't good and was about an hour too long (the director's cut). That cut is considerably better than what was released in theaters. Not good by any stretch, but at least some things actually make sense in it.
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The amount of crap over-packed into that movie is most of the reason I enjoy it. The Batman's dream/premonition that included New Gods/Apokolips teasing, future Flash stepping through a wormhole, and Bruce waking up from it twice might be my movie moment of 2016.
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Feb 13, 2017 04:42
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Jason Todd wearing a Bat-logo is my "NOT MY BATMAN" rage trigger
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Strontosaurus posted:welp, At least he isn't tearfully beating him to death
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Big Mean Jerk posted:At least he isn't tearfully beating him to death Well yeah, you can't do that after MoS already used that idea.
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Can Cee-Lo please be cast as Darkseid?
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Ganonseid. Endless Mike posted:I watched BvS finally today and it was nowhere near as awful as I was expecting but it wasn't good and was about an hour too long (the director's cut). The theatrical cut has a choppy, loose quality that denies quick and easy satisfaction. Fandom is dependent on that satisfaction, so the movie continues drive people into anger and frustration. It's part of why BvS is remembered and Civil War has been forgotten. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 10:13 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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Age of Ultron is on Netflix now, so I finally watched it. It was entirely what I expected. James Spader did a very good job but they should have kept the effects from Ultron's first appearance throughout. After seeing Civil War and Doctor Strange in theaters I think I'm gonna go back to watching these whenever. They're alright to see once but not worth dragging my rear end out of the house for. Kinda sucks there's nowhere that rents DVDs anymore cause that would be the perfect way to catch these - shorter wait than for Netflix, but you can return the DVD when you're done.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:BvS was unsatisfying
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My Lovely Horse posted:Kinda sucks there's nowhere that rents DVDs anymore cause that would be the perfect way to catch these - shorter wait than for Netflix, but you can return the DVD when you're done. https://dvd.netflix.com ?
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BvSw as very satisfying, but it's not easy satisfaction. That's the quality of really memorable art: it stands still, stays, and lingers. What's left when we leave the theatre or the gallery is what we find difficult to process. The exact opposite of this is Civil War, a movie produced to please in quick and immediate spurts almost tailor-made to become gifs. It's a logical development from the superior but also banal GotG, where the creators are hesitant to ever indulge or linger on the majesty of its cosmic wonders. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:the creators are hesitant to ever indulge or linger on the majesty of its cosmic wonder. If there's one thing Star Trek: The Motion Picture did right, it was circling their Enterprise model for about ten minutes 
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I remember a lot more about Civil War despite having seen Batman v Superman much, much more recently. Other than some striking visuals, the only thing I was left with having seen it was a vague memory of being bored. It took me two tries to get through it. Then again, it was the three hour "Ultimate Cut".
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:BvSw as very satisfying, but it's not easy satisfaction. That's the quality of really memorable art: it stands still, stays, and lingers. What's left when we leave the theatre or the gallery is what we find difficult to process.
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It is mostly a film of references and allusions but no real thematic depth, if it's a deconstruction of Batman and Superman then it lacks a coherent thesis, but as it is impossible to say nothing (a narrative will create meaning whether it intends to or not) the things it does end up saying are pretty gross and horrible - this isn't to say Snyder is gross and horrible, I in fact hear that he's a lovely man, but his film is. It is also one of the most appallingly structured films I have seen for a number of years as well. Civil War in comparison has a coherency of vision and theme, and because it has interesting characters that are more intriguingly flawed and layered than BvS's Superman and Batman attempt to be , it was more emotionally engaging to an audience. I don't think it has been forgotten at all, or at least that's not my perception, but Batman v Superman seems to be centre of more active debate because it is both hailed as a disaster (which I feel it is), or as a secret masterpiece (which I feel it certainly isn't) and these are starkly polarized positions. It's certainly not high art though, I mean, come on.
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Karloff posted:It's certainly not high art though, I mean, come on. Who ever said that? It's a weird mess, which can make it the more interesting/fascinating movie for some.
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"It's good it's good" I continue to insist as I slowly shrink and transform into a corncob.
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Teenage Fansub posted:Can Cee-Lo please be cast as Darkseid? That's not even his final form. 
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Something I don't get about Lego Batman I'm not sure I buy King Kong, Voldemort, Sauron minus his massive army, the Wicked Witch of the West, and Daleks as being particularly more intense than the Batman rogues. Maybe if they had actually managed to get the rights to Godzilla, instead of having to use a thinly veiled reference, but just those guys? Man I bet Bane could handle half of those by himself.
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I think the weirdest thing about Voldemort being in the movie is that he wasn't voiced by Ralph Fiennes. I guess they didn't want the Dark Lord to sound like Alfred?
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it seems like a casting joke. The movie seems and sounds like it's gonna be fun, but I'm wondering if it'll work beyond being an entertaining homage to the franchise. Timeless Appeal posted:Batman v Superman shows the problem with your definition of high art. Dawn of Justice is an audacious movie filled with weird music cues, striking dream sequences, and Jesus allegories. But it's still a fundamentally hollow experience. It is possible for something to be striking and memorable and still abysmal. And I speak as someone who not only does appreciate aspects of the movie and has thought a lot about it and has allowed myself to be challenged by it, it's just not that good of a movie. BvS is squarely pop art, not high art. It's pop art. The movie being hollow would imply that there's some core to it that's missing. The truth is that there is never a core to fiction or art. Art is what it is on the surface. There's never been and never will be any human heart beating beneath it. Karloff posted:It is mostly a film of references and allusions but no real thematic depth, if it's a deconstruction of Batman and Superman then it lacks a coherent thesis, but as it is impossible to say nothing (a narrative will create meaning whether it intends to or not) the things it does end up saying are pretty gross and horrible - this isn't to say Snyder is gross and horrible, I in fact hear that he's a lovely man, but his film is. It is also one of the most appallingly structured films I have seen for a number of years as well. I didn't say anything about high art. BvS is about people being disempowered and dealing with that. It's a constantly present theme. You have the habit of just roundly denying that anything happens or is present in the movie. Your criticisms of its "gross" statements were that it makes Batman fascist because he gets into exhilarating fight scenes, and thus he's an idol for the wrong people (which you claimed was "YOUR Batman" for anyone who liked the movie). Both you and Timeless Appeal seem to appeal to this thesis of "depth" that there is some missing element in it. Your defence of Civil War is that the characters are more "intriguingly flawed and layered" is in this manner: there is depth to the movie because there's humanity to it. In truth, Civil War uses the pretence of humanity to obscure whats happening on the screen - or what's not happening on the screen. It's a movie that's not actually about America, despite starring it's superhero embodiment. Civil War the comic was rooted in the War on Terror and pro/anti-government anxieties of the Bush years. The creators of Civil War the movie never properly decided how to reflect American discontentment, so they ended up with a clumsy transplanting of a rebellious Captain America into an apolitical post-Bush context. What exactly is the Civil War of the movie about? There's initially tensions over whether or not state power should control superheroes Then Captain America chooses to protect Bucky Barnes from law enforcement while Iron Man wants him arrested. This is ultimately not contingent on that conflict of state power, which at most serves as set-up to divide the heroes. Then Iron Man wants to avenge his parents on Bucky Barnes. The villain also wants vengeance, further confusing the initial conflict of State vs. Individual. Is the conclusion then that the State is the enemy? The creators seem to have worked backwards from the concept of Captain America and Iron Man fighting. That's the result of thinking that the characters are point of the story instead of vice versa. This thematic confusion is foreshadowed when Winter Soldier shifts the blame for American surveillance state from Bush and Obama to a conspiracy of Nazi infiltrators. Even for escapist art, the Marvel movies have become disengaged from reality. BvS in contrast draws on the disillusionment and fear of the later Obama years when we all became aware of the chaos churning beneath the surface, when we started hearing the sound of jackboots in every corner of the world, and stared at our impending climate catastrophe. Media, politicians, and the common man are impotent in the face of global and personal insecurity, and are drawn instead into a bitter partisan conflict. The villain of the movie is the type of political freak who we'd never guess to find in the Cabinet of the United States in 2017. How we wish that Flash would have warned us properly. BravestOfTheLamps fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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Medullah posted:Lego Batman is amazing. So many obscure jokes - kids will love it, but comic nerds will love it too. yeah, i absolutely loved it was consistently funny the whole way through
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The thesis of Civil War seemed pretty clear and consistent to me. Not "the personal is political" but "the political is personal". The actual, political reasons behind the Sokovia Accords are immaterial because the movie makes it very clear that they only exist to make people who are guilty or afraid feel better. The Accords are nonsensical and unenforceable because they're entirely emotionally motivated: "We want to feel like we have some measure of control, even if it's just an illusion." The same is true of Steve and Tony. They make noise about ideals, but Steve just wants to protect his friend and Tony just wants to absolve himself of guilt (even if it's just an illusion). And later, of course, Tony discards all pretence of reason or ideology and just wants revenge and closure for his parents' deaths (even if it's just an illusion). Just like he tried to find closure earlier in the movie through an illusion. This emotionally driven political message seems pretty relevant, even prescient, given our current situation.
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Phylodox posted:The thesis of Civil War seemed pretty clear and consistent to me. Not "the personal is political" but "the political is personal". The actual, political reasons behind the Sokovia Accords are immaterial because the movie makes it very clear that they only exist to make people who are guilty or afraid feel better. The Accords are nonsensical and unenforceable because they're entirely emotionally motivated That is hella libertarian.
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OnimaruXLR posted:Something I don't get about Lego Batman I think it was just an excuse to riff on The Lego Movie. Instead of getting all the heroes together for a big smash up you get all the villains together. It didn't work as well because nothing as as memorable as the Green Lantern/Superman gag in Lego Movie.
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OnimaruXLR posted:Something I don't get about Lego Batman Lord Voldemort is a teleporting immortal superwizard who can murder you with a thought. I mean of all the people mentioned there he is one of the ones who can probably wipe out Batman's rogues on his own.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:That is hella libertarian. It's partly Libertarian, in that it posits that governments acting on entirely emotional reasons is bad and unenforceable and shouldn't happen, but the individuals aren't shown to be any better at self-governing. The final message of the movie is, if anything, "Reason and discourse could have avoided this disaster", which isn't a terribly controversial statement, I should think, but here we are in 2017.
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BravestOfTheLamps posted:The truth is that there is never a core to fiction or art. Art is what it is on the surface. There's never been and never will be any human heart beating beneath it. Are you an extraterrestrial? It is the only explanation for how you could so badly misunderstand art as a concept. BravestOfTheLamps posted:Your criticisms of its "gross" statements were that it makes Batman fascist because he gets into exhilarating fight scenes, and thus he's an idol for the wrong people (which you claimed was "YOUR Batman" for anyone who liked the movie). No, I'd say he's a fascist for deciding to murder a man he's never met in the name of maintaining the status quo, and he's only an idol for people who have been clamoring to see Batman beat up Superman regardless of context and quality.
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I realize I'm also guilty of goading the bargain-bin SMG -- he leaves such easy openings -- but can we stop goading the bargain-bin SMG here?
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Phylodox posted:I'm just tryin' to talk about Civil War. It's an interesting movie. Elizabeth Olsen sure is purty.
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