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I agree that this is a bad decision, it's far better when immigrants are separated into their own ghettos.
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SplitSoul posted:Even better, Syrian refugee Naser Khader voted for it, all the while insisting that he is Danish.
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Fruits of the sea posted:What is that guy's deal anyways. At the risk of stirring the hornets nest, I don't see their worries as unfounded, considering that women and lgbt people in Swedens more immigrant heavy areas have reported feeling more unsafe and faced harrassment over their choice of partners and choice of clothing http://www.gp.se/nyheter/g%F6teborg/social-kontroll-i-f%F6rorten-1.145178 This was written a year and a half ago McCloud fucked around with this message at 14:47 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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Feb 11, 2017 14:41
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McCloud posted:At the risk of stirring the hornets nest You know no one is forcing you to tie a noose around your head.
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For some reason I don't trust conservatives with looking out for the interests of women and lgtb people. I wonder why?
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SplitSoul posted:You might have been born here, grown up here, never left the country, speak only Danish, have a "proper" (white) Danish parent, be a legal citizen and have passed language and citizenship tests with flying colours, but you're still not a Dane according to parliament. The most aggravating part is that the shitheel basically spearheading the whole thing (Martin Henriksen) keeps talking about how you can definitely be Danish or "non-Danish", and he's very dedicated to the idea that there are things (other than citizenship) that marks a person as Danish. But when pressed on it, to tell exactly where the line should be drawn, he doesn't want to give a clear answer and falls back to "well, it's something that by nature can't be strictly defined". So he's basically saying "I know it when I see it", and he wants it to be up to personal evaluation of a bunch of right-wing politicians, whether you're "Danish enough". Here's a recent article: http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/df-profil-om-ny-danskheds-strid-vi-bliver-noedt-til-generalisere It's absolutely sickening.
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If one of your parents is from Lichtenstein you're naturally more danish, it's science people. I think Naser Khader is legitimately the stupidest person currently in danish politics, and that is a very, very difficult accomplishment, certainly he is the most vapid. There are plenty, PLENTY, of stupid people in Danish politics, I'd say it's more the exception than the norm for a danish politician be bright, but even the complete, village idiot types, who populates Danish Peoples Party, have a sort of vicious cunning to them. Anyway, the DPP swine, actually said that the reason they're using non-western immigrant (which is shorthand for muslim, and allows to you enact policies against muslims, without the courts finding them discriminatory - I wish I was kidding) is that it's an 'official category', but they were the ones who made Statistics Denmark start using the distinction, despite it obviously is bullshit (people from asia, india, middle-east, africa, are all the same guys!) because they wanted to be able to point their fingers at the group and say racist things without being called out for it. Revelation 2-13 fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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The metric as per usual is that you're one of the good ones as long as you agree and not one second longer.
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Biomute posted:For some reason I don't trust conservatives with looking out for the interests of women and lgtb people. I wonder why? Let me clarify: i dont trust conservatives as far as I can throw them, nor do I think that they actually give a poo poo about anything else than using immigrants as a political cudgel. It seems that the one thing that unites conservatives in the western world is cutting taxes and loving over the poor and anyonr that isnt a non white male. So dont take my comment as support of whatever batshit policy they are peddling
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McCloud posted:Let me clarify: i dont trust conservatives as far as I can throw them, nor do I think that they actually give a poo poo about anything else than using immigrants as a political cudgel. That depends on your definition of conservative, which in your case seems to conform more to conservatism=libertarianism. M, S, SD, KD are all pretty conservative parties according to the classical definition. For example, trying to keep the welfare state going can be called a conservative movement.
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McCloud posted:Let me clarify: i dont trust conservatives as far as I can throw them Which wouldn't be all that far: 
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Cardiac posted:That depends on your definition of conservative, which in your case seems to conform more to conservatism=libertarianism. I feel pretty confident insaying pretty much no one uses the word "conservative" to describe Social democrats
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in the boring, unwilling to take risks sense
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Ekeroth is leaving his missions with SD! Oh, sorry, I didn't mean Kent, who is their "expert" on law-related stuff (and is currently facing charges for assault BYYY THE WAY) but rather his brother, Ted. http://www.expressen.se/kvallsposten/ted-ekeroth-lamnar-sd--kritisk-mot-akesson/ While leaving, he's voicing complaints I've heard a lot from ex-
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Cardiac posted:That depends on your definition of conservative, which in your case seems to conform more to conservatism=libertarianism. Wild Horses posted:in the boring, unwilling to take risks sense Being conservative is advocating welfare policy now? That's now how that term is used in any country, much less here.  EDIT: I'll admit that it's slightly difficult to distinguish conservatism in Swedish politics at this point since Reinfeldt purged the conservative wing of M (which Batra is now trying to bring back). Furthermore, it has kinda started overlapping with the nationalism of SD since that's where the disgruntled M conservatives went muddling things further. Generally speaking, it's about being though on crime, being though on addiction, having a hard-on for the military, preventing abortions, not providing assistance to any religion not christian and, most importantly, accepting no normative development concerning the institution of marriage, sexual orientation and gender relations. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 10:28 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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MiddleOne posted:Being conservative is advocating welfare policy now? That's now how that term is used in any country, much less here.
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The relevant guy is from the party called the conservatives. Stop taking bait.
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I think some people here are (for some inexplicable reason) confusing the formal political ideology called Conservatism with the general aversion to change called conservatism. All in all, it's one of the more transparent attempts at muddying the waters that I've seen in a while.
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MiddleOne posted:Being conservative is advocating welfare policy now? That's now how that term is used in any country, much less here. Conservatives, particularly social conservatives like Christian Democrats, introduced welfare policies and such in many European countries. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 15:38 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Randarkman posted:Conservatives, particularly social conservatives like Christian Democrats, introduced social welfare policies and such in many European countries. That's not conservatism either, that is the traditional German ordoliberalism. You need to distinguish between social and economic ideological frameworks. EDIT: Wow did you move that goalpost fast. I'll repeat myself, conservatism is an ideology that concerns itself mainly with the social sphere. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Feb 12, 2017 |
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Fruits of the sea posted:What is that guy's deal anyways. He's the worst kind of opportunistic hypocrite. He urged that we "give Trump a chance" until the ban potentially threatened his own ability to travel to the U.S., while his U.S. employer supports the ban. He suggested that arriving refugees from Syria walked here from the Balkans wearing a suicide belt. He has even called Pia Kjærsgaard a "patriot"—a person who insisted on moral equivalence between wearing a hijab, like Khader's own mother, and physically assaulting a person for wearing a hijab. And yeah, I missed that part while phone posting, I've corrected it. KozmoNaut posted:The most aggravating part is that the shitheel basically spearheading the whole thing (Martin Henriksen) keeps talking about how you can definitely be Danish or "non-Danish", and he's very dedicated to the idea that there are things (other than citizenship) that marks a person as Danish. Both he and Espersen have clearly expressed favour for the Blut und Boden approach in the past, so this is the least surprising thing of all. He has also unequivocally voiced support for the idea of deporting people to "political persecution and torture" (his words). Revelation 2-13 posted:I think Naser Khader is legitimately the stupidest person currently in danish politics "When do the monkeys turn into people?" He's certainly up there, but I'd like to remind you that we literally have a member of parliament who recalls her past life as a Native American boy and who can speak with her dog. McCloud posted:I feel pretty confident insaying pretty much no one uses the word "conservative" to describe Social democrats I don't know, ours are basically Burkean at this point.
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SplitSoul posted:"When do the monkeys turn into people?"
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's a good question. The answer is; when we give them rights as people. Certainly they would do a better job in parliament. I say we give them a chance.
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So S continues their long standing tradition of kow-towing to dictators in the name of the holy profit. But hey, it worked for Palme so.... Feminist foreign policy apparently means behaving the way a brutal theocracy dictates. Especially one playing a very active part in the very brutal civil war in Syria. Kinda interesting the shift in policy that S have done during the last 2 years with Wallströms Saudi Arabia comments in mind. While I have no problems with adults wearing hijabs of their own free will, Iran is not the place you have a free will in that regard. Also, in perspective: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-defence-minister-muslim-dress-refusal-saudi-arabia-visit-angela-merkel-a7473346.html Also, I guess SD says thank you and will push these pictures a lot next year.
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You know, it's not entirely OK for you to go around trying to police what women choose to wear or not to wear.
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Cerebral Bore posted:You know, it's not entirely OK for you to go around trying to police what women choose to wear or not to wear.  Honestly? If others in the past have refused it on the quite appropriate grounds that they don't want to or at the very least don't want to prop up a regime's willingness to mandate a dresscode, suddenly doing so and going along with a quite stupid law sounds like a bad idea.
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I reckon most political parties in sweden would have done the same to promote trade and Swedish businesses. But I guess it's pretty ironic considering Wallströms conflict with Saudi Arabia
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Fader Movitz posted:But I guess it's pretty ironic considering Wallströms conflict with Saudi Arabia Not really, this was clearly a decision made precisely to avoid repeating that whole fiasco. Unlike with the old Saudi king we don't really have any get out jail free cards with the Supreme Leader.
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MiddleOne posted:EDIT: Wow did you move that goalpost fast. I'll repeat myself, conservatism is an ideology that concerns itself mainly with the social sphere. What the hell are you talking about? I haven't even posted since I made the post you replied to.
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Not really news but since it touches upon the topic most second dear to this thread (the first is pizza), the smoldering Mad Max dystopia of Malmö, I couldn't resist. http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/niklas-orrenius-malmos-problem-behover-inte-koras-genom-ett-antimuslimskt-bizarro-filter/ quote:Passpolisen i New York spärrar upp ögonen i sitt bås. Han har just öppnat min sons pass och sett var det är utfärdat.
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I'm not gonna call BS but I will say that most Newark DHS staffers I've met throughout the years (I've visited NYC 8 times, last time just a couple of weeks ago) don't ever say a word more than they have to. I guess they could be more talkative to smaller children though.
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MiddleOne posted:Not really news but since it touches upon the topic most second dear to this thread (the first is pizza), the smoldering Mad Max dystopia of Malmö, I couldn't resist. Lol. There is however an Arab beach and a Swedish beach in the summer. The distinction is how much clothes the women have. You don't notice any of this if you are in central Malmö however. It is a very segregated town. Equating Malmös problems with Muslims is pretty stupid. Especially considering a fair proportion of Malmös muslims are Bosnian. The proportion of jihadists is also lower than in Gothenburg or Örebro if I recall. Probably since muslims in Malmö have been organized for longer, where the mosque have been around for 20 years. The issues have more to do with the organized crime, who instigates riots in order to drive of police and to control neighborhoods. And it is getting worse. We had more shootings than either Gothenburg or Stockholm last year. You might say that this doesn't affect non criminals, but this is not true. There have been two murders of young men, including one 16 year old, who had no connection to crime. Sydsvenskan have also reported at least three occasions of bystanders being shot at by criminals just from simple things like honking at the wrong car. Last case was a poor janitor who got shot after a car collision and is currently between life and death, where the suspect is a 15 year old. The common way of measuring violence in a society is the homicide rate per 100k inhabitants. There were around 10 murders in Malmö last year, giving a homicide rate of 3-4/100k which is 300% higher than you would expect for a western country. Hardly dramatic and on the level of a Eastern European country, which Sweden isn't. Another case of Malmö going in the wrong direction is Värnhemsskolan who apparently now have guards and barbed wire. While that school had a reputation 20 years ago, it didn't have barbed wire then and used to be host for RPG conventions.
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TheFluff posted:http://www.ekuriren.se/tjanster/granskning-sa-styrs-den-svenska-trollfabriken-som-sprider-hat-pa-natet/ Well, they have learned from Expo, Researchgruppen and interasistmen who all had/have tight connections to the extreme left. Another case of "it is ok if we do it". And to be clear, I don't think it is ok in any case. Expo seems to have become more neutral in latter years however.
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Cardiac posted:Well, they have learned from Expo, Researchgruppen and interasistmen who all had/have tight connections to the extreme left. lol. The fact that you read this, immediately jumped to a false equivalency and to top it all off apparently think the problem here is that journalists have political connections really says it all.
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