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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

Takoluka posted:

How does someone so openly commit these heinous acts and get away with it? I mean, I'm sure we're not going to do anything about it, because AMERICA FIRST, but is there NOTHING that can be done by anyone to stop something like international citizen murder and cover-up, where the ashes don't even get to come back to the family?

Given that it was South Korean national, it'll largely depend on what SK does in this specific case. However, for any sort of larger change, America and China are the ones largely holding the cards for the Philippines so if neither of them do anything, the Philippines can essentially do as it pleases.

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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It's a little fascinating watching people decry the way the Senate is voting on Trump's nominees.

For comparison, our Senate is composed of 24 Senators. Five are from the Liberal Party, three are from PDP-LABAN (the President's party), five independents, and a smattering of other parties.

All but three Senators are members of the Majority bloc.

When Senator Leila de Lima was removed from her seat as chair of the Justice Committee during the investigations into extra-judicial killings, only three of the five LP Senators voted against it, and it passed 16-4-2. Senator Dick Gordon, who ran as an independent but turned to be an de facto ally of the administration, is now the committee head.

When Senator Antonio Trillanes, a hard-line critic of the administration (usually votes in opposition), was stripped of his position to lead a Senate probe into corruption in the Bureau of Immigration, the vote was 14-7. At least this time all five LP Senators voted against, with Trillanes being the sixth and Risa Hontiveros, from the left-wing Akbayan party being the seventh.

The House is a different story.

In the immediate wake of the 2016 results, there were going to be 3 PDP-LABAN members and 115 Liberal Party members out of 297 total seats. However, there were a lot of party defections before Congress convened, and as it stands we instead have 94 PDP-LABAN members and 57 Liberal Party members.

Further, 266 out of the 297 members of the House are members of the Majority bloc.

It's difficult to get a read on what the votes will look like, since Congress has only passed two laws so far since July 25, 2016.

My larger point is that prepare to be disappointed, because in my experience, even when you already don't have enough votes to oppose a measure, you're still not always going to get symbolic opposition, either.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Melania will have an affair with Duterte and it will trigger World War 3. Duterte sleeping with Melania will become the next Archduke Franz Ferdinand.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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A US-based rights watchdog [Human Rights Watch] said the abduction-slay of a South Korean businessman by antidrug police operatives bolstered suspicion that law enforcers are behind the vigilante-style killing of more than 3,600 alleged drug suspects in the past six months.

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US Ambassador to the Philippines Sung Kim on Tuesday, January 24, stressed the need to punish the murderers of South Korean businessman Jee Ick Joo in the Philippines, in what he called "a horrible case."

"I think what's important is that there is a full investigation of what happened and that those found to be responsible for this heinous act are punished appropriately," Kim said in a media roundtable on Tuesday, when sought for comment.

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Policemen robbed and extorted money from three golfers from South Korea as part of a suspected larger racket targeting tourists from that country, a senior officer said on Tuesday.

The announcement fueled fears of police abuse under the cover of President Duterte’s deadly war on crime, after authorities announced last week that policemen murdered a South Korean businessman then extorted money from his wife.

“They came to the Philippines just to play golf but they went through a traumatic experience,” said Chief Supt. Aaron Aquino, a regional police head.

He said the three South Koreans were staying at an upscale gated community in Angeles City, Pampanga province, when policemen barged into their house under the pretext of carrying out an illegal gambling raid on Dec. 30.

They robbed the Koreans of their computers, jewelry, golf clubs, golf shoes and P10,000, according to Aquino.

He said the three South Koreans were then held at a police station for about eight hours until a friend paid P300,000 for their freedom.

The three reported the incident to the South Korean Embassy, which informed the Philippine National Police, Aquino said.

This led to an investigation that found seven policemen were involved, according to Aquino, who said the men faced dismissal from service.

However, he said the offending officers would not face criminal charges because that would require the South Koreans, who had left the country, to return to the Philippines.

“They don’t want to come back. They are terrified,” he said.

The incident took place in the same gated subdivision where policemen abducted a South Korean businessman last October, Aquino said.

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The two policemen who are suspects in the kidnapping and killing of Korean businessman Jee Ick Joo were presented to the court in Angeles City on Tuesday, January 24, reportedly upon the insistence of a judge.

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The Korean Chamber of Commerce Philippines has called for a comprehensive investigation on the kidnapping and murder of a former Hanjin executive by Filipino policemen.

“We request upon the Philippine authorities to comprehensively conduct proper investigation to find all those involved and responsible for this heinous crime that must be brought to justice,” the chamber said in a statement.

The group said they “strongly condemn any kind of violence and unjust treatment” against Korean businessmen and the 120,000 Koreans living in the Philippines.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Today is the second anniversary of the incident known as the Mamasapano clash.

On Jan 25 2015, a unit of the Special Action Force, an elite counter-terrorism unit of the PNP, went out into the Mamasapano region of Maguindanao province in Mindanao, with the mission of capturing or killing Malaysian terrorist and bomb-maker Zulkifli Abdhir alias Marwan.

The operation succeeded insofar as Marwan was killed, but the SAF's incursion into Maguindanao mobilized attacks from both the Bangasamoro Islamic Freedom Fighters and the Moro Islamic Liberation Front against the SAF force, and in the resulting firefight, 44 members of the SAF were killed.

The outcome was controversial because it was later revealed that the operation was conducted outside of the normal chain of command. Then-President Benigno Aquino was coordinating with former PNP Director General Alan Purisima for the operation, even though at the time, Purisima was already suspended from his post following an investigation into his involvement in corruption allegations.

Aquino cut out from the loop both Mar Roxas, who was then serving as Secretary of the Department of Interior and Local Government, as well as Leonardo Espina, who was the PNP Deputy Director General and Purisima's replacement while he was suspended.

In the investigation that followed, it came out that because the upper echelon coordination of the operation was so clandestine, support and reinforcement of the SAF from other nearby units was not readily available nor promptly requested, and that that was a significant contributing factor to the SAF group being pinned down by the Mindanaoan fighters and taking such heavy losses.

Translation: it would be like if the POTUS was running an operation with FBI Director James Comey to have the FBI's HRT group run a "kill Bin Laden"-type operation, even after James Comey had been suspended, and if POTUS informed neither the DOJ nor Comey's replacement, and then the HRT takes 75% casualties

It was sort of like a Benghazi moment for the administration, except this time the Benghazi was real, that there actually was negligence at the top. Aquino's approval ratings dropped to their lowest point in his entire term, and the Bangsamoro peace process was put on hold.

I bring this up now because, also like Benghazi, the Mamasapano clash has been used as a political cudgel against the Liberal Party ever since. As in, "do you really want Mar Roxas or Leni Robredo to lead the country, after the Aquino administration let the Moros massacre 44 of our brave soldiers?" (setting aside the fact that Mar Roxas specifically wasn't involved in these talks at all, and Robredo was a Congressional Representative at the time, they're being tarred and feathered with its failure purely by their association with the party of Aquino)

Back in July 2016, families of the fallen SAF soldiers tried to file a homicide case against Aquino after he had reverted back to being a private citizen. This was very transparently a hatchet job though, as the organization that helped them with the filing, the Volunteers Against Crime and Corruption with its chairman Dante Jimenez, are big Duterte boosters.

In October 2016, Duterte gave a speech during his China visit where he vowed to re-open the case.

Yesterday, Duterte gave a speech to the families of the fallen SAF soldiers, castigating the previous administration for giving the Medal of Valor to only two of the 44, and promising that the other 42 would get theirs.

In that same speech, he also announced the creation of an independent commission to reopen the investigation into the incident.

Duterte also made the claim that assigning the SAF to do this was mistake, because they're supposedly only trained for urban terrorism:

quote:

“Why was SAF sent there when SAF is organized and geared into the service to meet the challenges of urban terrorism? Urban is urban. They should be here in the city,” he added.

This is provably wrong, as it clearly states in the Mission description of the SAF that:

quote:

Our Mission
To plan and conduct special operations as a rapid deployment force anywhere in the country specially in the areas of counter-terrorism, hostage rescue, crowd control, and search and rescue and disturbance management in times of national disaster or emergencies.

Our Function

To develop, organize and train organic personnel in the furtherance of the assigned mission.
To conduct counter terrorist operation in urban and rural areas.
To conduct commando type unconventional warfare (CUW) against lawless elements over extended period of time with minimal direction and control.
To conduct search and rescue operations anywhere in the country during calamities and catastrophes.
To conduct civil disturbance management (CDM) operation and address the requirements of stability and security operations in times of civil disobedience on a national scale.
To operate as a rapid deployment force ready and capable to strike anytime and anywhere in the country in support of other units and other agencies as higher headquarters may direct.
To perform other tasks as the Chief PNP may direct.
To maintain a reasonable degree of law and order in the national highways and major thoroughfares

In any case, the rest of the Duterte clique quickly jumped on the President's rhetoric:

PNP Director General dela Rosa: ex-President Aquino should be held accountable

Department of Justice Secretary Vitaliano Aguirre: “Now that he is no longer the president, the reinvestigation should answer among others the question on the culpability of the former president. Through this commission, we might find answers to the questions that were not answered in previous inquiries and maybe we can finally find the closure on these issues,”

Senator Alan Peter Cayetano: "It [the Mamasapano incident] is also glorious because it has produced a man, President Rodrigo Duterte, that understands both peace and war, that understands the barrel of the gun, but also understands how to put together people in peace,"

Senator Dick Gordon: "Was this a case of political expediency? Was the [Bangsamoro] peace process more valuable than the lives of our soldiers?"

Even Senator Grace Poe, who opposed Duterte's proposal to reopen the case when he brought it up back in October, is now saying she welcomes this new commission.

The final bit of this story that I wanted to share, at least for now, is that in that speech that Duterte gave yesterday, he claimed that it was a CIA operation:

quote:

Mr. Duterte asked Aquino why the SAF personnel, whom he claimed were only trained to fight urban terrorism, and not the Army, were deployed to carry out the operation.

“They are practically surrounding the Mamasapano area. Why did you not use the Army? And why was it under wraps? And why did you hide that actually it was an operation of the CIA?” the President said.

The PNP, earlier today, hit back against the claim, clarifying that there was never any involvement by the CIA in the operation. The PNP / SAF did receive intelligence from the US on Marwan's location, and they also did the DNA test that confirmed that the terrorist whose body they recovered was in fact Marwan, but the American agency that provided the intel and ran the DNA check, was the FBI.

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



These are just alternative facts.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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http://news.abs-cbn.com/video/news/01/26/17/cctv-shows-cops-allegedly-planting-drugs

quote:

Senator Panfilo Lacson on Thursday presented CCTV footage showing suspected police officers planting drugs during a raid at an office building.

The videos taken last October 26, 2016 showed policemen rushing into an office and instructing employees to transfer to a separate room.

The police officers then started rummaging through the desks of the employees. One police officer could be seen taking something from his bag and placing it on the desks.

The footage was shown during a Senate hearing on alleged "tokhang for ransom" activities of police.

Lacson, a former Philippine National Police chief, said the alleged planting of drugs is not an isolated incident and called on the PNP to strengthen its counter-intelligence activities.

I encourage you to open the link and watch the video - it's really quite chilling and brazen.

shovelbum
Oct 21, 2010

Fun Shoe

Xelkelvos posted:

Given that it was South Korean national, it'll largely depend on what SK does in this specific case. However, for any sort of larger change, America and China are the ones largely holding the cards for the Philippines so if neither of them do anything, the Philippines can essentially do as it pleases.

This is what makes these fascist regimes so destabilizing - South Korea is basically a "screwdriver's turn" away from a blue water navy in the same way Japan is from an ICBM. You start to see tyrants running around and the second-rate powers might get antsy and look away from just holding off their traditional foes and start building the kind of militaries that cause trouble.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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So, uh, I guess this is the Trump effect.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-usa-defence-idUSKBN15A18Z?il=0

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Okay, so Duterte did bitch a whole hell of a lot about the US and "American imperialism", and he claimed that he would remove American presence from the Philippines, and that he would junk the EDCA, and that was while Obama was in office.

As he was doing that, SecDef Lorenzana continued to quietly maintain that the Philippines would continue to honor its obligations and agreements with America. For all of Duterte's talk, as far as I know none of it came to anything, even if we consider things that wouldn't have to pass through Congress.

For example, the Philippines and the US still conducted their joint military exercises in October. Duterte claimed it would be the last one.

And now, Trump is the POTUS, and Duterte has taken a shine to him.

We will never know if Duterte would have actually gone through with "kicking out the Americans" had Clinton won, and as of today it's easy to say that Duterte's going to turn right around and keep allying with the US because now he likes the US under Trump, but personally I think it's more than likely that Duterte was just running his mouth and wasn't (or couldn't easily) just dump the US as an ally like that.

Cirofren
Jun 13, 2005


Pillbug
He was playing strongman and trying to get the best of both worlds out of the USA and China. He also seemed to personally dislike Obama.

China is in town and seemingly making good on last year's loan/aid discussion with the Communications Secretary singing the tune of China not just a friend, but family, more like a big brother to the little Philippines. Are the terms of these deals public?

The footage of the office raid is disgusting. Looks more like a robbery.

edit: BREAKING: Duterte: "I have asked MILF to stop providing sanctuary for terrorists"

Cirofren fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Jan 27, 2017

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/01/26/17/korea-presidential-hopeful-hits-duterte-over-businessmans-slay

quote:

A candidate for the top government post in South Korea criticized President Rodrigo Duterte for his supposed lack of action regarding the killing of businessman Jee Ick-joo.

Democratic Party of Korea (DPK) presidential candidate Jae-in Moon called Duterte's inaction "diplomatic disrespect," reported the Korea Times.

While it was a shock that Jee was killed by police inside their headquarters, it was more shocking that Duterte did not hold Philippine National Police (PNP) Director-General Ronald dela Rosa responsible for the incident.

"What's more shocking is that President Duterte did not hold the police chief, who faces growing calls to resign from the Philippine people, responsible but rather participated in his birthday party," Korea Times quoted Moon, who posted his views in his native tongue on Facebook.

The presidential hopeful then "sternly requested...as a friend" for the Philippines to take "responsible measures based on constitutionalism."

In a statement, the South Korean government called on Philippine authorities to "thoroughly conduct the investigation" into Jee's death.

A "very much shocked" South Korea also said it expects the Philippines to prevent such cases from happening in the future.

The Philippine government apologized to South Korea for the "irreparable loss" and promised to "commit the full force of law to ensure that justice is served."

On Thursday, Dela Rosa assured South Korea that authorities will do its "level best in getting to the bottom of the case."

On Thursday, some of Jee's countrymen visited the site of his death at Camp Crame to offer prayers and leave flowers.

While they admitted that they are "afraid and a little worried" because of Jee's death and other incidents of kidnapping involving Koreans, they believe that the government will be able to protect Korean nationals.

http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/01/26/17/jee-slay-wont-affect-ph-tourist-arrivals-teo

quote:

MANILA - The slay of Korean businessman Jee Ick Joo is not expected to slowdown the arrival of tourists in the country, Tourism Secretary Wanda Teo said Thursday.

The Senate has looked into Jee's murder case allegedly purported by cops under the guise of 'Oplan Tokhang', the government's intensified door-to-door campaign against illegal drugs.

"After a while, [the issue is going to fade]. Tourists will (again) start coming in. Based on our experience, (after) at most six months, [they're going to start coming back]," Teo said.

South Koreans are among the top foreign visitors in the country as they accounted for almost a quarter of foreign tourist arrivals in the Philippines. At least 1.33 million Koreans visited the country in 2016, the latest Department of Tourism (DOT) data showed.

"If in case [we see a reduction or even a drop in] tourist arrivals, we focus on other emerging markets... like (tourists from) India or Dubai," Teo said.

The DOT has yet to speak to the Korean ambassador in Manila, but Teo said condolences were already sent.

"We told him we hope this will be settled at the soonest possible time," the tourism secretary said.

South Korea has not issued a travel ban against the Philippines nor has flights and bookings from South Korea to the Philippines have been cancelled, Teo said.

For additional background, Wanda Teo's political and professional experience is a BS in Business Administration and owning a travel agency based in Davao. She's the sister of the "Tulfo brothers", four journalists that made a name for themselves running public service radio shows.

The most prominent of the brothers, Ramon Tulfo, is a crypto-fascist thug that openly endorses extra-judicial killings and the death penalty. Here's a quick sample of what his regular column looks like.

And yes, that endorsement of Duterte (and his death squad), along with Teo's long-time involvement in the Davao tourism scene, is probably what got her that Department of Tourism job.

So here's to more horribly insensitive remarks coming out of the administration.

chird
Sep 26, 2004

Things looking a bit rocky for the admin. Nationwide drug war called off till further notice due to all the scandals. No real word on it from Duterte who instead went off on some rant about Americans stockpiling an arsenal in the Philippines, but people are getting fed up of his poo poo. Even the gung-ho Duterte types are muted now. It's now at the point where there's been enough time for most people to see all the promises aren't gonna come to fruition. The new year probably puts a punctuation mark there. Also, Trump is a massive floppy cock but he's making Duterte look ineffective coz Trumps's getting poo poo done (albeit awful, stupid, deplorable poo poo).

Poor wee PNP chief Bato: "I am already tired. I am very much ashamed. I am very much embarrassed. I am very much disappointed. I ran out of reason for my continued stay as your chief PNP...I want to go home. I want to go home to Davao. I tendered my resignation, that immediate retirement. I want to retire that day. :qqsay: "

(he didn't resign tho)

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

You know poo poo is hosed when Lacson of all people is somehow the voice of probity.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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PHL drugs war killings systematic, planned — Amnesty International

quote:

A wave of drugs-related killings in the Philippines appears to be "systematic, planned and organised" by authorities and could constitute crimes against humanity, according to an Amnesty International report released on Wednesday.

Amnesty said its investigation into President Rodrigo Duterte's war on drugs was based on 59 drug-related killings in 20 cities and towns. The agency said it concluded most appeared to be extra-judicial killings, and police accounts of shootouts and deaths during operations were "startlingly similar", and often far different to witness testimony.

The release of the report comes amid uncertainty over the anti-drugs crackdown and a government suspension on Monday of all police operations due to rampant corruption. The Philippine Drugs Enforcement Agency (PDEA) has now been given the lead role in the campaign.

Duterte made the decision after a security meeting on Sunday triggered by the kidnap and killing of a South Korean businessmen by drugs squad police. He said the incident, which took place at the headquarters of the Philippine National Police (PNP), had embarrassed the country and dented the image of the police.

Amnesty said the vast majority of the killings it investigated "appear to have been extra-judicial killings - unlawful and deliberate killings carried out by government order or with its complicity or acquiescence".

"The Duterte administration's relentless pressure on the police to deliver results in anti-drug operations has helped encourage these abusive practices," the report said.

The Presidential Communications Office did not immediately respond to a Reuters request for comment on Amnesty's findings.

The government has denied sponsoring extra-judicial killings, or police collaboration with assassins.

The investigation by the London-based advocacy group was carried out mainly in November and December and was completed in January. It said it interviewed 110 people and included witness accounts of victims being shot dead despite having shouted they would surrender.

It said it also found "strong evidence" of links between the authorities and unknown gunmen, as well as connections between cursory and speculative drugs "watch lists" created by local officials, and the people killed by police.

Amnesty's report included numerous references to a series of Reuters stories and investigations into the war on drugs in the Philippines.

The latest police data shows 7,669 people have been killed since Duterte unleashed his war on drugs seven months ago, 2,555 in police operations, which the PNP says were all in self-defense. The other deaths are classified as investigated, or under investigation.

Human rights groups believe most of those are drugs-related, carried out by vigilantes or hit men.

Amnesty's top recommendation to Duterte was to "immediately order an end to all police operations involving unnecessary or excessive use of force", especially lethal force.

It said police should suspend officers suspected of unlawful killings, planting evidence or involvement with hit men, and thoroughly investigate paid killings.

It recommended Duterte appoint a new independent head of police internal affairs and the justice ministry prevent intimidation of witnesses and victims and set up a task force to prosecute extrajudicial killings.

"The Philippine government needs to urgently adopt a different approach to drugs and criminality," it said.

"The impunity that currently reigns has facilitated killing on a massive scale, hitting the poorest and most marginalised segments of the population in particular."

Aguirre on AI report: ‘Drug lords, addicts not part of humanity’

quote:

Justice Secretary Vitaliano Aguirre II on Wednesday downplayed an Amnesty International (AI) report that said the spate of drug-related killings under the Duterte administration could constitute crimes against humanity.

“[These criminals, these drug lords], they are not the humanity. [They are not the humanity],” Aguirre told reporters in an interview.

“How can that be when your war is only against drug lords, drug addicts, drug pushers? You consider them humanity? No. I believe not,” he added.

According to Amnesty, the recent killings appear to be “systematic, planned and organized” by authorities and could constitute crimes against humanity.

It said the vast majority of the killings it investigated "appear to have been extra-judicial killings - unlawful and deliberate killings carried out by government order or with its complicity or acquiescence".

"The Duterte administration's relentless pressure on the police to deliver results in anti-drug operations has helped encourage these abusive practices," the report said.

Some 7,000 people, most of them drug suspects, have been killed in the government's anti-drug war, some by policemen in operations and others by suspected vigilantes.

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate & Discussion > The Philippines: drug lords, drug addicts, drug pushers? You consider them humanity? No. I believe not

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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Rodrigo Duterte will fix his murderous war on drugs by having soldiers do the killing instead of police

quote:

Philippine president Rodrigo Duterte does not take kindly to being embarrassed—which he was after it came to light this month that members of his anti-drug police brutally murdered a South Korean businessman last October and tried to extort money from his wife. Duterte had to apologize on Jan. 26 for their behavior in public, and even send a representative to Seoul to do the same in person.

Worse, the incident forced Duterte to admit that many of the police officers tasked with hunting down drug suspects were corrupt. Compounding matters, shortly thereafter Amnesty International reported that his war on drugs, which has claimed some 7,000 lives in seven months, had created “an economy of murder,” with police and vigilantes paid per dead body.

Angry, Duterte on Jan. 30 ordered the police to pause and overhaul their anti-drug operations: “Cleanse your ranks. Review their cases. Give me a list of who the scalawags are.”

Now he’s got a new plan. Duterte announced today (Feb. 2) that he would issue an executive order for the military to carry out the war against drugs—to fill the void left by the police.

Human-rights groups were quick to condemn the move. Phelim Kine, deputy director in Asia for Human Rights Watch, wrote on the organization’s website:

quote:

Using military personnel for civilian policing anywhere heightens the risk of unnecessary or excessive force and inappropriate military tactics. But there is also a deeply rooted culture of impunity for military abuses in the Philippines.

Senator Leila de Lima, one of Duterte’s staunchest adversaries, also criticized the move and the president’s “single-minded obsession” with drugs. The real problem, she said, was not the police or military per se, “but the monstrous policy hatched in the bowels” of Davao City, where as mayor Duterte began his war on drugs before extending it nationwide as president. That policy, she added, “gave rise to more than a thousand dead in that city and over 7,000 in the whole country.”

Duterte did show some restraint today. He ruled out declaring martial law for now.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

quote:

Duterte did show some restraint today. He ruled out declaring martial law for now.

I give it a week.

chird
Sep 26, 2004

But what are the significant differences between having the army come in against citizens in a "war", and the declaration of martial law anyway?

Isn't it just rebranding martial law?

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

is this the best place to mention that pissing off businesses with ties to korean criminal orgs may leave the perpetrator as entrails in a body bag :shobon:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

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New York Times OpEd by Cesar Gaviria, President of Colombia from 1990 to 1994:

President Duterte Is Repeating My Mistakes

quote:

Illegal drugs are a matter of national security, but the war against them cannot be won by armed forces and law enforcement agencies alone. Throwing more soldiers and police at the drug users is not just a waste of money but also can actually make the problem worse. Locking up nonviolent offenders and drug users almost always backfires, instead strengthening organized crime.

That is the message I would like to send to the world and, especially, to President Rodrigo Duterte of the Philippines. Trust me, I learned the hard way.

We Colombians know a thing or two about fighting drugs. Our country has long been one of the world’s primary suppliers of cocaine. With support from North American and Western European governments, we have poured billions of dollars into a relentless campaign to eradicate drugs and destroy cartels. I was personally involved in taking down the planet’s most notorious drug trafficker, Pablo Escobar, in 1993. While we managed to make Colombia a bit safer, it came at a tremendous price.

My government and every administration since threw everything at the problem — from fumigating crops to jailing every drug pusher in sight. Not only did we fail to eradicate drug production, trafficking and consumption in Colombia, but we also pushed drugs and crime into neighboring countries. And we created new problems. Tens of thousands of people were slaughtered in our antidrug crusade. Many of our brightest politicians, judges, police officers and journalists were assassinated. At the same time, the vast funds earned by drug cartels were spent to corrupt our executive, judicial and legislative branches of government.

This heavy-handed approach to drugs did little to diminish the drug supply and demand in Colombia, much less in markets like Western Europe and the United States. In fact, drugs such as cocaine and heroin are as accessible as ever from Bogotá to New York to Manila.

[...]

What do we propose? Well, for one, we do not believe that military hardware, repressive policing and bigger prisons are the answer. Real reductions in drug supply and demand will come through improving public health and safety, strengthening anticorruption measures — especially those that combat money laundering — and investing in sustainable development. We also believe that the smartest pathway to tackling drugs is decriminalizing consumption and ensuring that governments regulate certain drugs, including for medical and recreational purposes.

While the Filipino government has a duty to provide for the security of its people, there is a real risk that a heavy-handed approach will do more harm than good. There is no doubt that tough penalties are necessary to deter organized crime. But extrajudicial killings and vigilantism are the wrong ways to go. After the killing of a South Korean businessman, Mr. Duterte seemed as if he might be closer to realizing this. But bringing the army in to fight the drug war, as he now suggests, would also be disastrous. The fight against drugs has to be balanced so that it does not infringe on the rights and well-being of citizens.

Winning the fight against drugs requires addressing not just crime, but also public health, human rights and economic development. No matter what Mr. Duterte believes, there will always be drugs and drug users in the Philippines. But it is important to put the problem in perspective: The Philippines already has a low number of regular drug users. The application of severe penalties and extrajudicial violence against drug consumers makes it almost impossible for people with drug addiction problems to find treatment. Instead, they resort to dangerous habits and the criminal economy. Indeed, the criminalization of drug users runs counter to all available scientific evidence of what works.

Taking a hard line against criminals is always popular for politicians. I was also seduced into taking a tough stance on drugs during my time as president. The polls suggest that Mr. Duterte’s war on drugs is equally popular. But he will find that it is unwinnable. I also discovered that the human costs were enormous. We could not win the war on drugs through killing petty criminals and addicts. We started making positive impacts only when we changed tack, designating drugs as a social problem and not a military one.

A successful president makes decisions that strengthen the public good. This means investing in solutions that meet the basic standards of basic rights and minimize unnecessary pain and suffering. The fight against drugs is no exception. Strategies that target violent criminals and undermine money laundering are critical. So, too, are measures that decriminalize drug users, support alternative sentencing for low-level nonviolent offenders and provide a range of treatment options for drug abusers. This is a test that many of my Colombian compatriots have failed. I hope Mr. Duterte does not fall into the same trap.

Later today: Duterte calls ex-Colombian president ‘idiot’ for comment on drug war

quote:

President Rodrigo Duterte lashed out on Wednesday at former Colombian President Cesar Gaviria and called him an “idiot” for criticizing his brutal war on drugs.

“Colombia has been lecturing me, that idiot,” Duterte said in a speech at the 115th anniversary of the Bureau of Customs, referring to Gaviria.

In an opinion piece published at the New York Times, Gaviria told Duterte that “the drug menace cannot be solved by the “heavy-handed” approach of killing drug addicts.”

He said he was hoping that Duterte would not commit the same mistakes that he did in dealing with Colombia’s drug problem.

In a statement, Presidential spokesperson Ernesto Abella said Malacañang respects Gaviria’s opinion.

“We respect the opinion of former President Cesar Gaviria that Colombia’s experience of “war against drugs” cannot be won by the armed forces and law enforcement agencies alone,” Abella said.

“The Philippine President rightly understood the same insight when he began to address not just crime and illegal drugs but also broadened government efforts into a public health issue,” he added.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
Dammit, you beat me to it. And let's not forget that Bato visited Colombia a few months ago to "see how they won their war on drugs". Which makes things even more hilarious.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Nothing matters, but:

Document: Aguirre OK’d privileges of inmates who ratted on De Lima

quote:

MANILA — A confidential Bureau of Corrections (BuCor) document spelled out how Justice Secretary Vitaliano Aguirre II apparently ordered the grant of special privileges to high-profile inmates held at the military’s custodial center in Camp Aguinaldo as a reward for testifying on alleged drug links of Sen. Leila de Lima.

The Dec. 9, 2016 memorandum obtained by the Philippine Daily Inquirer, signed by Bureau of Corrections (BuCor) Legal Office Chief Alvin Herrera Lim and addressed to BuCor Director General Benjamin Delos Santos, reported on a conference among counsels of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP), the Philippine National Police and the bureau on Dec. 2.

Delos Santos forwarded the document and the IRR to Aguirre’s office on Dec. 16.

Lim, in his report, said the AFP sought to enforce implementing rules and regulations (IRR) on the custodial arrangement during the meeting due to apparent violations of military guidelines.

This after an AFP investigation found that the inmates, among those who had testified before the House of Representatives that De Lima had allegedly accepted drug money to fund her senatorial campaign, enjoyed luxurious living while in custody.

Eight high-profile convicts, originally jailed at the BuCor-run New Bilibid Prisons (NBP), were transferred to the AFP custodial facility in September 2016, just before they appeared at the House justice committee hearing and attested to giving De Lima millions out of their illegal drug profits.

The group of inmates include convicted robber Herbert Colanggo, who was earlier busted for keeping a luxury villa at the NBP, and convicted kidnapper Noel Martinez, a gang leader at the national penitentiary.

The document said the AFP investigation found that “the high profile inmates detained in the AFP Custodial and Detention Center continue to enjoy lavish lifestyles e.g. use of electronic gadgets, smart television sets, airconditioning units, internet, cellular phones.”

“When pressed for comment, elements of both the PNP and BuCor invoked that they are just following the express instruction of the Hon. Vitaliano Aguirre II to allow the entry of the above-enumerated gadgets in return for the testimony they gave during the congressional inquiry on the proliferation of drugs inside New Bilibid Prison,” read the document.

“On this score, the AFP proposed the adoption of the attached IRR to avoid future misunderstanding,” it said.

The IRR, which implements a memorandum of understanding between the DOJ and the DND on the custodial arrangement for the inmates, stipulated that both agencies should “jointly identify the location of possible confinement facilities and monitor the inmates to ensure that no contraband or other illegal or prohibited items shall enter the designated confinement facility(s).”

It said the inmates would not be allowed “devices which will allow them contact outside the facility.”

Under the IRR, the PNP-Special Action Force was tasked “to provide direct security over the inmates.”

The IRR also explicitly stated that the AFP custodial facility has always been “a no cellphone zone,” covering even the military, PNP and BuCor personnel themselves.

It further said that the PNP and BuCor personnel assigned at the facility to watch over the NBP inmates “shall be subjected to AFP camp rules and regulations at all times.”

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
How nice that the administration is finally listening, and has started removing from the list of crimes punishable by death!

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/598827/news/nation/plunder-removed-from-list-of-crimes-punishable-by-death-under-house-bill-alvarez

Yes, finally, all those poor politicians will no longer have to worry about being put to death for corruption!

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Duterte to Gaviria: 'I'll not make the same mistake, I'm not as stupid as you'

quote:

President Rodrigo Duterte on Friday continued to lash out at former Colombian President Cesar Gaviria, who earlier criticized his campaign against illegal drugs.

"[This ex-President of Colombia, he said] 'Duterte is committing the same mistakes.' We can never make the same mistake because I am not as stupid as you are," Duterte told a business forum in Davao City.

"That [mistake] is only possible, Mr. ex-President, if I am stupid as you," he added.

In an opinion piece in the New York Times, Gaviria warned that Duterte is committing his mistake by taking a tough stance against drugs. He suggested that instead of using force against drug users and traffickers, Duterte should start looking at the drug situation in the country as a social problem.

Gaviria was president of Colombia at the height of the notoriety of slain drug kingpin Pablo Escobar, during which his country was one of the primary suppliers of cocaine to the world.

Gaviria's heavy-handed approach to the problem, he admitted, has done more harm than good.

But in his speech, Duterte, who had previously called Gaviria an "idiot," pointed out that Colombia got the help of United States in its anti-drug war.

"[It's because America poured in billions] because they were flooding America with ... All the supplies of cocaine and heroin came from that country. [What help has America ever given here] except to recommend for my prosecution in the International Court of Justice, International Criminal Court?" he added.

Duterte's campaign against illegal drugs has been blamed for the deaths of over 7,000 people, most of them drug suspects.

CronoGamer
May 15, 2004

why did this happen


"[It's because America poured in billions] because they were flooding America with ... All the supplies of cocaine and heroin came from that country. [What help has America ever given here] except to recommend for my prosecution in the International Court of Justice, International Criminal Court?" he added.

Well, good thing the Philippines doesn't also have a larger, wealthier neighbor to the north that is contributing seriously to its drug problem, otherwise Gaviria might have a point!

ihatepants
Nov 5, 2011

Let the burning of pants commence. These things drive me nuts.



NY Times: A Rare Survivor of a Philippine Drug Raid Takes the Police to Court

quote:

MANILA — The drug raid ended like so many others in the Philippines, with all the suspects shot by the police.

But one of them, Efren Morillo, a 28-year-old fruit and vegetable vendor, did not die. As the only known survivor of a so-called buy-bust operation, Mr. Morillo has provided a chilling first-person account that challenges the government’s assertion that the thousands of suspects killed in President Rodrigo Duterte’s antidrug campaign were killed by the police in self-defense. And his testimony lies at the heart of the first court case to challenge that campaign. According to his sworn affidavit, none of the five suspects were drug users and none were armed.

The police took two of them, including Mr. Morillo, inside a house, handcuffed, Mr. Morillo said. Three others were lined up at a clearing near a ravine, ordered to kneel, their hands tied behind their backs. There was begging and crying as the police shot each man at close range, Mr. Morillo said. “Thoroughly frightened that I might be shot again, I closed my eyes and played dead,” he said. As he lay on the floor bleeding, he said, he overheard the police officers talking about planting guns and drugs because they had found none there. When the police officers left the house, he took a chance and fled.

On Friday, an appeals court ruled on a petition filed by Mr. Morillo and the families of the four other victims, issuing a protection order keeping the police away from them, ordering the officers involved to be transferred to another station and ordering the police to disclose any evidence against the suspects that led to the drug raid.
While the plaintiffs’ lawyers said the ruling would have no direct bearing on the broader antidrug effort or set a precedent for other cases, activists said it undermined the program’s credibility and could result in more cases challenging it.

“It encourages other victims or families of victims who are similarly situated to use the legal process and start filing cases,” said Arpee Santiago, a lawyer at the Ateneo Human Rights Center in Manila, adding that the case was also an opportunity “to test the strength and integrity” of Philippine courts.Mr. Santiago said the ruling sends “a clear message that not everyone will take this sitting down.”

The Philippine National Police has not commented publicly on the case, and a spokesman did not return calls seeking comment on Friday. The police officers involved were under instructions not to talk to the news media. The case comes as the antidrug program has been temporarily suspended after two police officers on the drug force were accused of killing a Korean businessman in a botched kidnapping. Mr. Duterte has promised that it will resume. Since he began the campaign when he took office last June, at least 3,600 people have been killed and possibly thousands more.

If the police operation last August was unusual in having a survivor, it was typical in many respects, including the poverty of the victims. It took place at the ramshackle home of the Daa family, three generations crammed together in a patchwork of plastic and plywood perched on a slope overlooking the country’s largest open dump. The four men who were killed were all garbage collectors and scavengers who eked out a living from the city’s trash. According to interviews with several members of their families, they ate food that they found in the dump, washing partly eaten meat and then refrying it. They collected metal to sell for scrap. Maria Belen Daa, 61, the mother of one of the victims, sometimes worked as a maid and a laundrywoman.

On a hot Sunday afternoon, five plainclothes police officers and two women walked up a snaking footpath through tall grass strewn with garbage and animal feces to the Daa home. Mr. Morillo was playing pool with Marcelo Daa and another friend in a shack on one side of the yard. The other two men were resting on hammocks in back. The police said the women had pointed out Mr. Daa and his friends as drug dealers, but in their official report they said it was a “chance encounter” by policemen on patrol. In media interviews before they were instructed not to speak about the case, the officers said they had caught the men holding a drug session. The police officers drew their guns and shouted, “Don’t move!” Mr. Morillo said.

According to the police report, Mr. Morillo and his friends pulled guns, shouting, “You will not get us alive!” before shooting at the police. The officers said they responded by shooting the suspects. No police officers were wounded. According to Mr. Morillo, the men raised their hands and were handcuffed and frisked while the police searched the house. He and his friends had no weapons, he said. “Visibly annoyed with us” after finding nothing more than a toy gun, the police took two of the men inside and three outside. “Then the policemen shot the victims, one by one, execution style,” according to the court petition. Then the officers helped themselves to bottles of soft drinks and crackers from a small shop owned by the Daa family, Ms. Daa said.

“What they did was shameful,” she said. “We only use torn tarps for walls. We have rusted tin roofing. How can we have money from drugs as they alleged? How can they say that my son sold drugs?” Her son Marcelo, 31, a wiry man with bleached blond hair, had three children, ages 4 to 14. He was not perfect, Ms. Daa said, but he never smoked, drank alcohol or used drugs. Instead, he gave money to family and friends in need whenever he earned extra from scavenging. Nor did he own a gun, she said, which costs more than what anyone in this poverty-stricken part of town earns in a year, a place where many residents have learned to live with just a meal a day to survive. “That is why my heart aches,” she said. “Just because we are poor, they think they can step on us.”

Mr. Morillo, who was shot in the chest, eventually made it to a hospital and recovered. He was charged with assaulting a police officer and is out on bail. Through a lawyer, he declined to be interviewed. He is lying low, the lawyer, Rommel Bagares, said, and was under the protection of the Commission on Human Rights, which has questioned the killings under the Duterte administration. Mr. Bagares said this was the first such case because other victims had been afraid to challenge the police. “We have a survivor,” he said. “And he is willing to bear witness to the murders.” He said the next step was to file murder charges against the police officers. “If the pieces of evidence we have are properly appreciated, we will get indictments,” he said. There may be other cases as well. Since he filed the case, Mr. Bagares said, he has received queries from other victims. A coalition of seven law firms has been set up to collaborate on them. After countless deaths, he said, “there has to be a legal challenge to the madness.”

The families of the victims welcomed the court ruling even as they doubted its effect. “Nobody knows whether this would stop this mission to kill poor people or small-time drug addicts,” Ms. Daa said. “There are still frequent reports of killings in poor communities here. It’s hard to cage a beast once it has tasted blood."

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-drugs-southkorea-idUSKBN15R121

Looks like the Filipino police finally went to far, or more accurately killed someone important, and Duterte is doing a 180.

quote:

When Philippines President Rodrigo Duterte summoned his security chiefs to an urgent meeting one Sunday night last month, his mind was already made up.

His military and law enforcement heads had no idea what was coming: a suspension of the police force's leading role in his signature campaign, a merciless war on illegal drugs.

There was only one reason for the U-turn, three people who attended the Jan. 29 meeting told Reuters. Duterte was furious that drugs-squad cops had not only kidnapped and murdered a South Korean businessman, they had strangled him to death in the headquarters of the Philippines National Police itself.

"He was straight to the point - 'I am ordering you to disband your anti-drug units, all units'," said Defence Secretary Delfin Lorenzana, who was at the meeting in the presidential palace.

Duterte decided that the much smaller Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency (PDEA) would take over the drugs crackdown, with support from the military.

It was a stunning turnaround by Duterte, who had until then stood unswervingly behind his police force through months of allegations that its officers were guilty of extra-judicial killings and colluding with hit men in a campaign that has claimed the lives of more than 7,600 people, mostly drug pushers and users, in seven months.

The blunt-spoken president had repeatedly defied calls from United Nations, the United States and the European Union to rein in his war on drugs, calling them stupid and 'sons of bitches'. Duterte's aides were used to his mercurial style, but they were taken aback that the killing of one foreigner would be enough to stop him in his tracks.

One explanation is that relations with South Korea are of huge importance to the Philippines for development aid, tourism, overseas employment and military hardware.

But security officials said it was the audacity of the killing of Jee Ick-joo and the attempt to use the war on drugs as a cover for kidnap and ransom that triggered his decision.

"It's all about the Korean. That it happened at all, it's really that (which) pissed him off," Lorenzana told Reuters.

PDEA Director General Isidro Lapena, who was also at the meeting, hadn't seen it coming either. He said in an interview that the president had lambasted the police force and told them that the "deactivation" and purge of its anti-drugs unit was now as important as the drugs war itself.

Police Director General Ronald dela Rosa told Reuters that Duterte had been "really mad" about the incident and, after the meeting, the president publicly denounced the police force as "corrupt to the core".

"SO OBVIOUS"

The president's legal counsel, Salvador Panelo, said the president, a former prosecutor, makes decisions strictly on the basis of the letter of the law. Activists' allegations of summary executions had no supporting evidence, he said, yet to Duterte, Jee's killing was irrefutable, audacious and embarrassing.

"The committing of that crime was so obvious," he said.

Worried that the incident would dent the Philippines' image in South Korea, Duterte sent Panelo to Seoul to apologize to acting president Hwang Kyo-ahn.

Seoul is Manila's biggest supplier of military hardware, donating or selling fighter jets, patrol boats, frigates and trucks.

About 1.4 million South Koreans visited the Philippines in the first 10 months of 2016 - a quarter of all tourists arrivals - lured by beaches, golf and the sex industry. Korean tourists spend an average $180-$200 daily, and their overall spending is triple that of U.S. visitors.

South Korea is the Philippines' fifth-largest source of development aid and in 2015 invested $520 million in areas like power, tourism and electronics manufacturing.

About 55,000 Filipinos work in South Korea and the Philippines attracts Koreans studying English, over 3,700 of them last year.

A South Korean diplomat in Manila said there were no threats or pressure on the Philippine government over the killing of the businessman, but Seoul wanted a guarantee of safety for its citizens and a secure investment climate.

The chamber's membership has grown from 20 firms in 1995 to 500 companies now, including Samsung Electro-Mechanics, Hanjin and LG, but Lee estimated that the Korean community has shrunk by about a third to 100,000 people since 2013 despite the bright economic outlook in the Philippines.

"Police should protect us not kill us," Lee said. "That is why we are very upset and very shocked."

The number of Koreans murdered in the Philippines averages about 10 each year, accounting for a third of all Korean nationals killed overseas, according to Seoul’s foreign ministry.

However, South Koreans are perpetrators of crime as much as they are its victims in the Philippines, says the police Criminal Investigation and Detection Group, which has a Korean desk handling cases of kidnappings, murder, robbery, theft, extortion and fraud, mostly in Korean communities, where mafias operate.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
Oh yes, they're taking it very seriously--that's why they seriously punished all the cops involved in a recent scheme to rob and extort Koreans:

quote:

ANGELES CITY, Pampanga (UPDATED) – Philippine National Police (PNP) Director General Ronald “Bato” dela Rosa made an unplanned visit to the city police headquarters here on Wednesday, February 1, to personally admonish the 7 policemen allegedly involved in the robbery and extortion of 3 Korean tourists last December 30.

But besides a mere reprimand, the national police chief was unable to control himself and repeatedly hurled invectives at the cop-suspects. Still unsatisfied, he punished them with a difficult push-up type position while continuing to reproach them.

“Bakit ninyo pinera? Bakit ninyo binugbog?” he asked the 7 policemen lined up in front of him, referring to the Korean victims. (Why did you extort from them? Why did you manhandle them?)

Dela Rosa was referring to the “arrest” of Korean tourists Lee Ki Hun, Min Hoon Park, and Lee Jun Hyung from their friend’s house along Apo Street in Friendship Plaza Subdivision here last December 30 in what the suspects claimed was a police operation against illegal online gambling.

The subdivision is the same posh housing area where Korean businessman Jee Ick Joo was kidnapped by a group of men led by policemen from the now defunct PNP-Anti Illegal Drugs Group and later murdered inside the PNP national headquarters in Camp Crame.

When Dela Rosa got replies from the 7 suspects that they thought that what they were doing was a legitimate operation against online gambling, he became angrier.

“Legitimate bang mamera sa operation? Legitimate bang mambugbog? Ilang Koreano na ang ginanon ninyo? Pang-ilan nang Koreano ang biniktima ninyo… Pag may maglabas pang ibang Koreano na mag-complain sa inyo, putang-ina n’yo! Tingnan natin ang galing n’yo,” he told them.

(Is it legitimate to extort during an operation? Is it legitimate to manhandle people? How many Koreans did you treat that way? If another Korean comes out to complain against you, you sons of bitches! Let's see how good you are.)

Shame

“Pulis kayo para mag-sindikato? Nag-pulis kayo para mapahiya ang uniform? Putang-ina ninyo! Nag-pulis pa kayo,” the PNP chief continued. (You entered the police force to form syndicates? You became policemen to bring shame to the uniform? Sons of bitches! You had to be policemen."

He then asked why they victimized the Koreans. Every suspect again told him that they thought it was a legitimate police operation.

“Legitimate? Standard procedure bang manghuli ng Koreano, bugbugin, peperahan? Legitimate ba yon? Ano’ng training ng mga ‘to?…Alam n'yo bang gusto ko kayong pa-firing squad ngayon? Tang-ina n’yo,” he said.

(Is it standard procedure to arrest Koreans, manhandle them and extort money from them? Is that legitimate? What kind of training did these people get? Do you know I'd like to put you before a firing squad? You sons of bitches.)

He then turned to the officials of the Angeles City police, asking them what they did to make their men become such policemen.

“Who is the intel here? (an officer at the back of the suspects raised his hand) Ilang taon ka nang intel dito? Six months? Hindi mo nahuli ang ginawa nitong mga tao n’yo. Ano’ng ginawa mo? Hinayaan mo lang? O baka tumatanggap ka sa perang kinikita nila?” he told the visibly fearful officer.

(Who is the intel here? How many years have you been intel here? Six months? You didn't catch what your people here have been doing. What did you do? You let it be? Or maybe you were accepting money they were earning?)

“Kaya kayong mga opisyal kayo, kaya naging ganito itong mga tao ninyo, dahil kayo pabaya. Anong klaseng opisyal kayo? Ang mga tauhan ninyo ganitong ginagawa. Anong klaseng mga lider kayo? Kaya naging ganito itong mga tao ninyo dahil pinabayaan ninyo. Hindi ninyo sinisita,” he told the city police officials.

(You officials, your people became like this because you were negligent. What kind of officials are you? Your men are doing these things. What kind of leaders are you? Your people became like this because you let them be. You did not call their attention.)

Dela Rosa then ordered the suspects to assume front-leaning position, a push-up like stance where one hand is placed atop the other, while he continued hurling invectives at them.

“Tingnan natin ang lakas ninyo ngayon putang-ina kayo. Ang lakas ninyong manghablot ng Koreano. Tingnan natin ang lakas ninyo ngayon. Mga putang-ina kayo. Pulis kayo! Hindi kayo mga criminal. Bakit ganyan ang ginagawa ninyo?”

(Let's see how strong you are, you sons of bitches. You dare arrest Koreans. Let's see how strong you are now. Sons of bitches. You are policemen! You are not criminals. Why do you do those things?)

Problem for the President

While the suspects were in front-leaning position, Dela Rosa asked a police official about the status of their case.

He was told that kidnapping for ransom and robbery were already filed against the 7 Station 5 policemen.

Dela Rosa again turned to the suspects and said that what they created was a national problem. “Mahiya kayo. Presidente mismo namroblema sa ginawa ninyo. Mabuti sana kung problema lang ng city director ninyo dito. Aabot pa sa taas dahil nga foreigner ang binibiktima ninyo.”

(Shame on you. What you did caused a problem for the President. It's good if this was a problem just for your director. It reached the top because you were victimizing a foreigner.)

When Dela Rosa saw that some of the suspects were getting tired of their physical punishment, he threatened to kick them. “Ang lakas ninyong mang-hablot ng Koreano, front leaning position lang hindi ninyo kaya? Ikaw, gusto mong sipain kita dyan? Gusto mong sipain kita? Napakalakas mong mang-hablot ng Koreano putang-ina ka. Ang tapang ninyo.”

(You dare arrest Koreans, and you can't handle a front-leaning position? You, you want me to kick you there? You want me to kick you? You're strong enough to arrest a Korean son of a bitch. You're so brave.)

Dela Rosa again turned to the city police officials and told them that if another policeman is involved in a crime against Koreans, they will be made to perform the same physical punishment.

“Hindi ninyo sinu-supervise ang mga tao ninyo. Pinabayaan ninyo. Kayo ang pagga-ganituin ko pag hindi ninyo ma-control ang mga tao ninyo,” he said. (You don't supervise your people. You let them be. I'll let you do this if you're unable to control your people.)

After the 7 suspects were brought inside the police building, he asked the commissioned officers to line up in front of him and he lectured them on what it is to be a law enforcer and how to supervise their men.

“Wala kayong ginawa… Nakikita ninyo, may ginagawang masama ang mga tao nnyo, pinabayaan lang ninyo,” he told them.

(You did not do anything. You've been seeing the bad your people have been doing and you let them be.)

To the surprise of police officials here, Senior Supt Jose Hidalgo Jr, who just assumed his post as city police officer-in-charge last January 25, was replaced by Senior Supt Patrick Villacorte.

Police sources here said Villacorte was with Dela Rosa when the PNP chief arrived Wednesday morning. By late afternoon, Villacorte was already holding a command conference with the police station commanders and division heads and other units in this city.

That's right, these vile miscreants were punished with a stern lecture AND push-ups!

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


so why exactly did the USA give up Subic Bay? wikipedia says we were too cheap to pay $800 million to the Filipino government, which seems hilariously stupid given the strategic location

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Feb 13, 2017

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The treaty to extend the base agreement was narrowly defeated in the Senate in 1991

fartmanteau
Mar 15, 2007

Oh ffs

Philippine bid to jail nine-year-olds is 'a great child violation', Unicef says

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

What on loving earth?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Pinoy Pride!

The Gateway Pundot: EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Designer Of Make America Great Again Dress Is a PRO-TRUMP IMMIGRANT (Photos)

quote:

On Sunday night Joy Villa stunned the world when she showed up to the Grammy’s wearing a Make America Great Again dress.

The Gateway Pundit was contacted by Andre Soriano, the man who designed the dress, for an exclusive interview.

Andre Soriano immigrated from the Philippines to the United States when he was only 16 years old to pursue a better life and to pursue his dreams of working in the fashion industry. Andre now owns his own highly successful business named Andre Soriano based out of California.

Andre got his inspiration for the dress from the Women’s March in Washington D.C. when he heard what was his favorite singer, Madonna, talk about how she wanted to “blow up the White House.” Andre was furious by her statements and called Joy Villa and told her they were going to scrap their initial designs for the dress she was going to wear and were going to design a dress to “unite the country,” as Andre said.

The dress that Joy Villa wore was made from a Trump Flag. As a huge Trump supporter, Joy was naturally very excited about the dress.

Andre said “We only have one President and that is President Trump. It’s NOT Hillary.”

He went on to say in reference to making the Pro-Trump dress that “Just like Rosa Parks, we are going to stand up for our rights as Americans,” noting that “the dress was designed in love, it is all about love.”

Andre voted for President Trump because “I love America and I believe in America.” Even as an immigrant Andre made it very clear several times throughout our conversation that he is a huge supporter of building the wall. He says that people can come here to build a better life but they have to do it legally. Andre is also a huge supporter of the United States Constitution and believes that people that come here need to support it and not try to change it.

Argue
Sep 29, 2005

I represent the Philippines
trump pa rin mga ulol

I have several aunts and uncles (not actually blood relatives) who migrated to America decades ago and all but two are solidly pro-Trump. It's really disappointing.

Edmund Sparkler
Jul 4, 2003
For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are peris

How can you be sure that Trump and Rosa Parks aren't actually the same person? Makes you think.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

Meredith Baxter-Burnout posted:

How can you be sure that Trump and Rosa Parks aren't actually the same person? Makes you think.

Well Rosa Parks didn't back down for starters.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Argue posted:

Oh yes, they're taking it very seriously--that's why they seriously punished all the cops involved in a recent scheme to rob and extort Koreans:


That's right, these vile miscreants were punished with a stern lecture AND push-ups!

Said "stern lecture" included a blunt warning that doing this again would get them executed, unless I misunderstood the "firing squad" bit.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

LORD OF BOOTY posted:

Said "stern lecture" included a blunt warning that doing this again would get them executed, unless I misunderstood the "firing squad" bit.

I don't speak Filipino but to me it kinda reads as "If you make trouble for the pres again you won't be found" rather than "if you continue murdering the people we tell you" etcetera.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
The DOJ has filed criminal charges against Senator Leila de Lima for allegedly receiving money from drug convicts in exchange for their protection.

As well, the DOJ has dropped charges against the prison inmates that testified against de Lima during the House probe last year, so that they can turn state witness against her.

This, after Justice Secretary Aguirre regarded as "hearsay" the leaked memo describing these inmates having been given "VIP treatment" in exchange for their testimony against de Lima

He went as far as to say that while the inmates were in air conditioned cells, that air conditioning was not considered VIP treatment.

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The Solicitor General has appealed to reverse the conviction of Janet Lim Napoles for the crime of illegally detaining one Benhur Luy, a whistleblower that turned state's witness in the PDAF Scam, which implicated dozens of high-level politicians in their misuse of pork barrel funding.

Legal experts contacted by the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism fear that this marks the government having reached some sort of modus vivendi with Napoles, a charge that the Solicitor General has denied.

The SolGen has further stated that the reversal of this illegal detention conviction would still keep Napoles on the hook for graft and plunder charges, but even then there is a risk of eroding the legitimacy of Luy's testimony as the case versus the politicos involved in the PDAF Scam cases move forward, and especially since many of those involved in the scam are current allies of the administration.

The Supreme Court on back in July 2016 reviewed Napoles's case and concluded that she was guilty with proof beyond reasonable doubt, but the Solicitor General went on to say that they had erred, and just today during an interview went on to say that the release of this decision was "orchestrated" by then-Justice Secretary Leila de Lima.

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Opinion: this was a difficult summary to type up. The justice system has been completely upended and completely hosed.

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CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/rodrigo-duterte-accused-paying-police-kill-170220062118472.html

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