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Mechafunkzilla posted:Wait, what's wrong with the word "diegetic"? How else would you describe, say, a diegetic soundtrack? I guess you could always say the music in the movie and just leave it at that, and whatever precision you want to make you just have to use more words like: The music that play in the universe of the movie and you keep repeating that. 'cause using diagetic would just confuse your audience obviously. Kharn_The_Betrayer fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Feb 13, 2017 |
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MacheteZombie posted:I read it as you preferring analysis that uses layman's terms to convey ideas. c/d? That's definitely a big part of it, plus I like when people don't start SMGing up the themes of stuff. Pointing out what Verhoven is satirizing in his film is fine, but sometimes it seems some people make it like a competition to try to fit the most ideologically provocative theme possible on a mundane film. RLM very obviously learned about movies from watching them and making them, rather than by reading tons of film theory stuff, so when they discuss film, I'm rarely lost. They're even nice enough to explain what blocking is, or the difference between types of cameras used to film stuff, in case the viewer doesn't know! But at the same time, they don't focus on really boring poo poo like "plot holes" or trying to rank which Frankenstein movie is "most badass" or whatever like a lot of 'enthusiast critics' tend to. They've got exactly the right combination of insider knowledge and layman's approach for me to get the most of their videos. I mean don't get me wrong, I definitely enjoy Every Frame a Painting and other guys like that, but RLM discusses film the way I do with my friends. Plus their tastes tend to line up with mine way more often than not, which definitely helps. There's nothing wrong with like, Hbomb analyzing the socio-political implications of Sonic 2, or whatever. But I think something like re:View is equally valuable and valid, as a form of discussing media.
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Lurdiak posted:That's definitely a big part of it, plus I like when people don't start SMGing up the themes of stuff. Pointing out what Verhoven is satirizing in his film is fine, but sometimes it seems some people make it like a competition to try to fit the most ideologically provocative theme possible on a mundane film. Actually, the opposite interpretation is true
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Oh and I don't actually have a problem with the word diegetic. That was hyperbole. Although it really isn't a word y'all should toss around at parties.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:50
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Lurdiak posted:RLM very obviously learned about movies
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i'll grant this much: Zizek sucks really bad
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Lurdiak posted:But at the same time, they don't focus on really boring poo poo like "plot holes" From my exposure to RLM they do this plenty.
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CelticPredator posted:And then I felt kinda bad because I did want him back, but the dude is so drat tired and wants to be happy. It's like one of the few times it felt like a fictional character was screaming "Help me please! Get me outta this movie!!"  , it was a really interesting dichotomy that I wanted to see John Wick, but didn't want to see him have to go through with anything. Hell, if it wasn't a sequel hook, I wish John would've handed back the marker and say "By the power this holds, change my status from Excommunicatus to Intemerata, so I can go and rebuild my home in peace". One question about the movie: were Lawrence Fishburne's hobo-assassins part of the the Continental group? Wick implies that Bad Guy will eventually try and take over his area... but when John gets booted, we see him releasing doves that we previously saw being chipped, or something.
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MacheteZombie posted:From my exposure to RLM they do this plenty. Eh, I guess the plinkett reviews do, but that's a combination of the character of Plinkett being a nitpicky rear end in a top hat and Mike being an insufferable Trekkie who can't pass up a chance to bring up lapses in continuity when reviewing star trek poo poo. They deliberately avoid focusing on that kind of thing in their other reviews, especially if they like the film being discussed. Jay once said that pointing out plot holes is fun if a movie is miserable, but that plot holes in a good film shouldn't keep you from enjoying it, as long as the film's characters and themes stay consistent.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:08
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If people don't like RLM they don't have too.
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Oh yeah, for sure. It's fine if almost all of y'all think they suck.
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Lurdiak posted:There's nothing wrong with like, Hbomb analyzing the socio-political implications of Sonic 2, or whatever. 
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Safety Factor posted:I'm still waiting on that video. Wait ya fuckin' turn, mate.
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Lurdiak posted:Oh and I don't actually have a problem with the word diegetic. That was hyperbole. Although it really isn't a word y'all should toss around at parties. guess you dont hang out with cool people
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bows1 posted:guess you dont hang out with cool people Sick burn on Death By the Blues.
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Jenny Angel posted:My dude... that sounds like the exact opposite of understanding film Everything you need to know about YouTube film reviews is that Celtic Predator and Lurdiak are the ones who immediately leapt to defend them. Although this kind of makes me think Mister Bibs is slacking.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Wait, what's wrong with the word "diegetic"? How else would you describe, say, a diegetic soundtrack? The joke here is that, in Jonathan Lethem's They Live (one of the best books ever written about a film), he makes a deliberate point of avoiding jargon by using only the terms 'diegetic' and 'ideology' - because they're straightforward and easy to understand. I employ fairly simple language too, whenever write, which makes people's persistent complaints rather odd.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Everything you need to know about YouTube film reviews is that Celtic Predator and Lurdiak are the ones who immediately leapt to defend them. Aw man, that's extremely rude.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:52
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I'm just tired of the fuckin recontextualizing parlor game where everyone jerks off over how esoteric their reading of a film is, like holy poo poo.
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Lurdiak posted:Aw man, that's extremely rude. You could take it positively, if you chose to interpet those posters as an island of sanity in the murky depths of CineD. 
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I'm just tired of the fuckin recontextualizing parlor game where everyone jerks off over how esoteric their reading of a film is, like holy poo poo. I don't know if I'm lucky I've never run into this or if I've just picked the right places to read.
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Sir Kodiak posted:I don't know if I'm lucky I've never run into this or if I've just picked the right places to read. not a cined regular huh
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Jenny Angel posted:I'm legitimately curious as to why there's such a big market for the specific Youtube movie criticism niche of "lengthy plot synopsis interrupted sporadically by some very basic good/bad analysis". Without trying to be too cynical, does it have to do with folks being like "well this movie seems like it sucks so I don't actually want to watch it, so if I watch this video that tells me how the whole thing goes and what the dumbest parts are, I'll be able to talk about how bad it is too"? Out of that whole crowd, I only really follow Brad Jones and the Best of the Worst videos, but it's kind of a mix between me finding them funny, and them legitimately introducing me to weird crap I've never heard of (my knowledge of ET porn parodies comes pretty much 100% from Brad Jones).
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Lurdiak posted:I'm just happy if I can listen to a movie reviewer that understands film but also understands that no one wants to hear the word "diegetic" or how Smurfs is an allegory for the russian aristocracy's decline. I'm pretty sure I've heard the RLM guys use diagetic a few times. also Smurfs is obviously about the glory of fascism. They have a rigid corporatist homogenous caste society ruled by a paternalistic leader where every person knows their place except for the degenerate intellectual who won't shut up. They are hunted by a antisemitic caricature who wants to boil them into gold.
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MacheteZombie posted:I read it as you preferring analysis that uses layman's terms to convey ideas. c/d? this is sort of where I'm at but "diegetic" is a pretty useful word because it's way less long-winded than saying "within the context of the film's setting"
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If you're going to say "diagetic music", you just say "the music inside the movie the characters hear too". Saves hassle of saying diagetic, being asked what it is, explaining it, and continuing with whatever you were talking about. Tuxedo Catfish posted:Although this kind of makes me think Mister Bibs is slacking. Outside of their Star Wars opinions boiling down to "Not My Star Wars" (queue the gif), I like RLM a lot. They managed to pivot away from what made them famous into multiple engaging areas of content (BotW, HitB, etc) without being snobs that you only talk to because their opinions are so snobbish that it's funny. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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One man's extreme interpretation that's trying too hard is another man's obvious read that just feels natural.
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corn in the bible posted:not a cined regular huh Huh, don't recall seeing particularly esoteric readings here 
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MisterBibs posted:(queue the gif) Well, if you insist. 
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Jenny Angel posted:No, better than that The entire first one is so great. he's already clearly frequenting criminal enterprises, he doesn't just stop at code phrases to get him in the door, he is having legit fuckin conversations in code because nobody can just say I need a big rear end gun
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End of John Wick 2 ElectWick Boogaloo I know that the sequence of him running is supposed to be illustrating how he never knows who might try to kill him next, in a world where he has no safe haven and a contract on his head, but it's way more fun to imagine everyone in the world is actually part of a criminal underworld and doesn't realize that everyone else is too
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Maybe Lurdiak does have a point when he talks about esoteric readings because I don't follow that interpretation of Chekhov's gun at all.
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glam rock hamhock posted:One man's extreme interpretation that's trying too hard is another man's obvious read that just feels natural. I mean, it's never enlightening or shocking, it's just like, "yeah, and...?"
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I mean, it's never enlightening or shocking, it's just like, "yeah, and...?" Miami Connection is actually about the I/P conflict
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Jonathan Lethem's They Live (one of the best books ever written about a film) Hell yeah. And it's like 90 pages, too.
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Magic Hate Ball posted:I mean, it's never enlightening or shocking, it's just like, "yeah, and...?" Will I mean what sort of opinions on film aren't getting this tactic from you?
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Lurdiak posted:Well, if you insist. is this in a real video?
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glam rock hamhock posted:Will I mean what sort of opinions on film aren't getting this tactic from you? IDK, I like craft discussions and talk about aesthetic as it pertains to the sensory-emotional experience. To me, putting different theological hats on Star Wars is like talking about what kinds of cheese Mahler's symphonies smell like. It's just not something I engage with.
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MacheteZombie posted:is this in a real video? It was. It was during a PreRec stream, and I casually mentioned that out of all RLM's content, the only thing I didn't dig were the prequel reviews by Plinkett. I explained that I was told by someone that they were gags - surely nobody is going to make multiple hours of Not My Star Wars content. As I watched them, I became increasingly aghast that, yes, they actually were going to have multiple hours of Not My Star Wars. The two tried to argue that the reviews weren't Not My Star Wars, but since they're the platonic ideal of Not My Star Wars, the argument that it's not is like Doctor Cox's Shaved The Baby Story. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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