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Was it ever explained what the animus bell does? I seem to have missed it since I don't really have any sense of its power other than the liches are really enjoying having it.
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Asiina posted:Was it ever explained what the animus bell does? I seem to have missed it since I don't really have any sense of its power other than the liches are really enjoying having it. I think it makes the puppets move, which makes the liches able to use their abilities to make bigger, better games instead of an NPC audience.
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Feb 13, 2017 11:27
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I guess the animus bell gives the wielder control over the souls of other beings and this somehow includes getting unlimited access to their memories. Otherwise they have another powerful relic that allows them to datamine THB without them being able to perceive it, like Merle's children or giving Magnus the choice of forgetting either Julia or the governor, bits of backstory that the other two characters didn't know about. Unless they can gather that information from the black smoke that pours out of them when they bitch about something.
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Feb 13, 2017 14:18
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I asked a while ago and people mostly seemed to be like "it's the necromancy relic duh," but I've seen conflicting reports on whether Griffin actually based all seven of the relics specifically on magic D&D schools. (Plus, knowing that the liches were apparently already liches and already running Wonderland before they even got the bell broadens up the possibilities, right?) Either way I still think it's worth thinking about the name, because 'animus' has several different definitions which might be relevant to what its specific powers wind up being. showbiz_liz posted:1. A feeling of enmity, animosity, spite, or ill will
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Feb 13, 2017 16:40
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showbiz_liz posted:I asked a while ago and people mostly seemed to be like "it's the necromancy relic duh," but I've seen conflicting reports on whether Griffin actually based all seven of the relics specifically on magic D&D schools. (Plus, knowing that the liches were apparently already liches and already running Wonderland before they even got the bell broadens up the possibilities, right?) He did, originally, but he dropped the "relics correspond to spell schools" about halfway through.
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Feb 13, 2017 16:53
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He originally based them on the schools of magic from the Elder Scrolls franchise. This happened before he found out that DnD also had schools of magic. That's why there are seven relics and not eight.
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Feb 13, 2017 17:08
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Piell posted:He did, originally, but he dropped the "relics correspond to spell schools" about halfway through. Do you have a source for this? I've seen this come up in this thread before but I haven't heard it myself. From context clues in this arc I assumed the Animus Bell could animate non-living objects, because of all the mannequins (and maybe it's even somehow behind the Monster Factory) If he was still doing the school of magic from Elder Scrolls maybe it'd look something like this? Illusion - Oculus from Rockport Limited Alteration - Philosophers Stone Destruction - Gauntlet from Gerblins Conjuration - Gaia Sash maybe Restoration - ??? Mysticism - Chalice from 11th Hour Enchanting - Animus Bell
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timp posted:From context clues in this arc I assumed the Animus Bell could animate non-living objects, because of all the mannequins (and maybe it's even somehow behind the Monster Factory) Considering the wide range of crazy stuff each of the other relics could do, what if it's not just that it can make non-alive stuff seem alive - what if it actually can create/sustain life? The liches said that they made Wonderland before they even got the bell in the first place, but that getting the bell changed something. Maybe the bell made it possible to keep people (like Cam) suffering forever, instead of just using them up and then killing them? It would be kind of funny/tragic if that meant the bell was also potentially a powerful healing relic.
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Feb 13, 2017 18:42
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Certain takes on necromancy are less about raising the dead and more about keeping things alive and subservient. The idea of being immortal is such a strong desire to some that it would be more important than having their own agency.
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Feb 13, 2017 23:43
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Griffin is 100% truthful about Now You See Me btw, the movie does actually end with Mark Ruffalo revealing that he was a real wizard the whole time and Woody Harrelson + co are going learn how to be wizards
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Feb 14, 2017 00:54
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Improbable Lobster posted:Griffin is 100% truthful about Now You See Me btw, the movie does actually end with Mark Ruffalo revealing that he was a real wizard the whole time and Woody Harrelson + co are going learn how to be wizards Now You See Me 2 has a sequence in it that can literally ONLY work if real, actual, magic is involved. That card flying poo poo cannot work without magic powers.
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Feb 14, 2017 00:56
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I'm mostly posting this for myself because I know I'm gonna forget if I don't
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Feb 14, 2017 02:02
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Aw man, I dunno if I'm gonna get into my hotel in time!
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Now You See Me 2 has a sequence in it that can literally ONLY work if real, actual, magic is involved. That card flying poo poo cannot work without magic powers. The first one is the same way. People are flying and throwing fireballs and poo poo.
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Feb 14, 2017 02:11
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inthesto posted:I'm mostly posting this for myself because I know I'm gonna forget if I don't Who's arm is on Travis's shoulder?  Also, Trends Like me is good.
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Feb 14, 2017 04:17
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BigRed0427 posted:Who's arm is on Travis's shoulder? Uh, Griffin's right arm?  It's bent forward weirdly far (they've probably been edited closer together) but nothing absurd.
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Feb 14, 2017 04:21
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BigRed0427 posted:Who's arm is on Travis's shoulder? Who is arm?
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Feb 14, 2017 04:49
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User-Friendly posted:The first one is the same way. People are flying and throwing fireballs and poo poo. Didn't 1 also have a bit where they, in real human bodies we've established as 100% their real forms, jumped off a building, exploded into cards, and appeared elsewhere from the cards like a terrible super power?
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Feb 14, 2017 07:17
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Now You See Me sucks.
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Actually it kinda owns.
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Feb 14, 2017 11:39
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It's a heist movie where they never actually plan or execute the heist in any kind of exciting way. There are no obstacles for our literally magic protagonists and we never get to see how any of their Wet Stunts are executed. It's an empty shell.
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Feb 14, 2017 11:52
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The protags don't learn real spells until the end. Their heist uses stage magic
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Feb 14, 2017 12:07
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loving LMFAO at Travis' magicians movie plane marathon. I also saw Now You See Me on a plane and not totally clear that they're wizards
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Feb 14, 2017 14:58
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Now You See Me is as batshit insane as Griffin says and his description of it is exactly why it owns. This was a fantastic episode, the brothers are really on a roll. My favorite bit is either the "in this trap they make him eat his own dad" Saw on a plane discussion or Griffin interrupting Travis to prevent him from saying Burt Wonderstone was a good movie. Also "Jaguar Goldthwait"
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Feb 14, 2017 15:03
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It's still completely unforgivable that the sequel isn't called Now You Don't
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Feb 14, 2017 15:42
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:The protags don't learn real spells until the end. Their heist uses stage magic Except for the part where it uses hypnosis in a totally impossible supernatural fashion.
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Dr. Stab posted:Except for the part where it uses hypnosis in a totally impossible supernatural fashion. Yeah, it's a movie about stage magic that barely considers how stage magic works.
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Best bit from this last ep was Justin's suggestion for a Burt Wonderstone trailer that directly addresses Travis
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purple death ray posted:It's still completely unforgivable that the sequel isn't called Now You Don't What the fuuuuuuuck now I'm angry. Also this is making me think I should watch these movies?
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Dr. Stab posted:Except for the part where it uses hypnosis in a totally impossible supernatural fashion. Oh yea I forgot that the 'hypnotist' spent all of one act doing the whole 'no it's actually just reading people and social engineering' and then without any fanfare just became goddamn Jean Grey loving with people's heads.
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Feb 15, 2017 00:56
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The beautiful TAZ fanart keeps on coming!
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TRIVIA: -What is Clint's favorite Little Debbie product? Hint: It is the best one -What two spells were required to retrieve the Philosopher's Stone from Magnus? Bonus: MS paint what the hell happened.
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I want to say stoneskin and polymorph? I don't remember the second exactly. this is how i imagined it http://imgur.com/a/wwVz6 couldn't get it to preview right so there's just a link zimbomonkey fucked around with this message at 04:38 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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zimbomonkey posted:I want to say stoneskin and polymorph? I don't remember the second exactly. Stoneskin and Stone Shape. He couldn't polymorph at that point.
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Feb 15, 2017 04:33
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Flesh To Stone and Stoneshape, I'm pretty sure. Or maybe Stoneskin?
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That was if anything a more ridiculous stretch of what spells actually do than the stuff in the last episode. Not that I'm complaining.
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zimbomonkey posted:I want to say stoneskin and polymorph? I don't remember the second exactly. Stoneskin and Stone Shape (after Taako cast sleep so he wouldn't be aware of his new Chronenberg nightmare of a body). Yeah, he was originally just a tube of flesh and stone and then they made him a spiral to make it more... fun?
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The part at the end of Now You See Me, where The Gruffalo says "Magic is really real, come be wizards with me", is in a mid- or post-credits scene, which I'm guessing is why about half of the reactions to Griffin's spoiler are "WTF I don't remember that" and the other half are "Oh yeah, that did happen."
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The twist of Now You See Me is cool when you watch it and then you think about it even a little and suddenly none of Mark Ruffalo's actions the entire movie make any sense whatsoever.
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Asiina posted:The twist of Now You See Me is cool when you watch it and then you think about it even a little and suddenly none of Mark Ruffalo's actions the entire movie make any sense whatsoever. he also is the single dumbest character in movies in 2 because he kept being an FBI agent Like, he apparently spent however long between the movies still working in the FBI doing that really stupid 'I PRETEND TO BE CRAZY SO THEY DON'T THINK I'M PART OF IT' thing and then a real FBI agent is all 'what no you're clearly in on this because you just suddenly decided to be crazy after the magic crooks vanished'
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