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Hedrigall posted:Eh, I'm happy to go to movies by myself but a theatre production is another thing... idk, maybe my mum will want to see it Yeah, take your mom. I went to TLK with my mom in Vegas and she really loved it.
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Das Boo posted:I'm not really disappointed, I just really admire when animation can create something thoroughly unique. My all time favorite animated sequence is the creation story segment in Watership Down. I really like "The Book of Kells" and "The Song of the Sea" or "The Tale of the Princess Kaguya" for this reason. Expecting Disney to go off-brand though is probably a false hope.
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starkebn posted:I really like "The Book of Kells" and "The Song of the Sea" or "The Tale of the Princess Kaguya" for this reason. Expecting Disney to go off-brand though is probably a false hope. Well, I think they can still be on-brand and play with things outside the main cast; for example, their John Henry is as standard as it comes in terms of character design for them, but the aesthetic approach as a whole reads as very unique due to tricks of perspective and retaining organic linework. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmP6e6kbmg
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Pick posted:Well, I think they can still be on-brand and play with things outside the main cast; for example, their John Henry is as standard as it comes in terms of character design for them, but the aesthetic approach as a whole reads as very unique due to tricks of perspective and retaining organic linework. yeah, cool, I agree. But you can't expect Disney of all companies to go off the beaten path for their blockbuster movies.
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I saw the Frozen live show at Disneyland Resort yesterday. The mother character was played by a black actress and Anna was either black or half-black. The show itself was pretty dire* apart from all the fancy tech toys they were showing off, but it was really refreshing to get to see a major character given that level of color-blindness. Hopefully this crosses over into animation and we get more projects with diverse casts that aren't reliant on being about a specific culture. (Not that Disney is doing a bad job with those or anything) *I was likely not the target audience, as 75% of the adult women in the audience cheered enthusiastically when "Let It Go" started.
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starkebn posted:yeah, cool, I agree. But you can't expect Disney of all companies to go off the beaten path for their blockbuster movies. No, not all of them, just maybe some of them  . There is no perfect style forever, because the zeitgeist will change, and you can either react to that passively or you can be on the cutting edge and participate in defining it. I think Disney is playing it a little too safe and making it too possible for someone else to threaten their essentially unchallenged control of that part of American culture.
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IMO, Disney should commit to a plan, kind of like Pixar's plan to make no more than 1/3 of their movies prequels, to make at least 1/3 of their movies stylistically unique. We could get a Paperman-ish movie, a faux-stop-motion movie, a movie in that faux-painted style Rapunzel was supposed to be in, etc
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dirksteadfast posted:I saw the Frozen live show at Disneyland Resort yesterday. The mother character was played by a black actress and Anna was either black or half-black. The show itself was pretty dire* apart from all the fancy tech toys they were showing off, but it was really refreshing to get to see a major character given that level of color-blindness. Hopefully this crosses over into animation and we get more projects with diverse casts that aren't reliant on being about a specific culture. (Not that Disney is doing a bad job with those or anything) I don't get it, what made the show dire? You just say it wasn't for you because people cheered when they sang a song? 
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Drifter posted:I don't get it, what made the show dire? You just say it wasn't for you because people cheered when they sang a song? I assume they did not enjoy the show at all but also admit they are not in Frozen's target audience and thus that may not apply to people who are. 21 Muns posted:IMO, Disney should commit to a plan, kind of like Pixar's plan to make no more than 1/3 of their movies prequels, to make at least 1/3 of their movies stylistically unique. We could get a Paperman-ish movie, a faux-stop-motion movie, a movie in that faux-painted style Rapunzel was supposed to be in, etc Disney had all 5 of the top 5 grossing movies last year. I imagine their response to that is 'lol, why?'
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ImpAtom posted:
See, that's something I really admired about Walt Disney- He risked financial loss to push innovative artforms. It's a pity Disney Corp can't be arsed to do that with billions behind them.
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Remember that some people back in the day got really mad at Walt for attempting to release a full-length animated movie. "How dare this purveyor of one-reel novelties fancy himself a real filmmaker?!" Disney's empire was basically founded on one of the biggest risks in cinema history.
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Disney works have been fairly risky in terms of writing, though.
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Das Boo posted:See, that's something I really admired about Walt Disney- He risked financial loss to push innovative artforms. It's a pity Disney Corp can't be arsed to do that with billions behind them. I think Disney is willing to take risks in some form or another, in terms of writing or casting. Maybe things that shouldn't be risk ("A woman star? Well, I never!") but they're not 100% safe at all times. That said I do wish they'd be willing to do more artistically. Hell, I wish we still got 2D films.
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Maybe Musker and Clements will do another 2D film next  2Princess2Frog coming 2025
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there has to be some other "foreign" mythology or legend they can butcher for a 2D film right?
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Drifter posted:I don't get it, what made the show dire? You just say it wasn't for you because people cheered when they sang a song? I think the idea is that someone who rolls their eyes at the starting notes of Let It Go really shouldn't have been watching a Frozen play. starkebn posted:there has to be some other "foreign" mythology or legend they can butcher for a 2D film right? Aren't half of the 2D Disney films German fairy tales? I'm not sure what brought this on unless you really hated Mulan/Hercules/Aladdin. mycot fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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mycot posted:Aren't half of the 2D Disney films German fairy tales? I'm not sure what brought this on unless you really hated Mulan/Hercules/Aladdin. I enjoy most of the main Disney movies, but the stories are notorious for ripping the barest ideas of a foreign tale and "adapting" them. Whether you think that is a bad thing or not is up to you, like I said I think most of the movies are pretty fun to watch.
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I'm pretty alright with Disney not including the rape from their version of Sleeping Beauty.
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starkebn posted:there has to be some other "foreign" mythology or legend they can butcher for a 2D film right? i guess they could do season 1 of Babylon 5
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starkebn posted:there has to be some other "foreign" mythology or legend they can butcher for a 2D film right? But even then, they've started creating original stories entirely, like Zootopia or Wreck-It Ralph!, or started adapting really obscure Marvel properties like Big Hero 6, so they've got a fair bit to work with before we hit that point.
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Fangz posted:Disney works have been fairly risky in terms of writing, though. You're kidding, right? About the only film in recent memory I can think of this would apply to is Maleficent, which I respect for the effort it made but didn't really pan out. e: I mean maybe if you include Pixar under the "Disney" umbrella. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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'racism is bad, and systemic, and still happening' is a pretty risky message in modern-day america, tbh
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I'd go further than that: 'here, we made a movie with non-whites and oh also women' is incredibly subversive in the trumpian landscape
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:You're kidding, right? About the only film in recent memory I can think of this would apply to is Maleficent, which I respect for the effort it made but didn't really pan out. I don't think Pixar is any riskier. "Sad fish succeed by being scrappy"?
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Hedrigall posted:I'd go further than that: Is that really a risk when it's coming from the company that built it's empire on the Princess Movie? EDIT: I mean I guess that could apply to Star Wars VII, maybe, but that's Star Wars, even the prequels were massive successes so just being better than those movies would make them money printers regardless of casting choices.
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Hedrigall posted:I'd go further than that: Is it though? Like yeah trying to tackle racism is cool but if the bar for subversive art is at "minorities and women are present" you're setting some real low standards.
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I was making a joke about how the world is poo poo
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Is that really a risk when it's coming from the company that built it's empire on the Princess Movie?. Yes, because "Princess Movie" doesn't mean the same thing now as it did then, and they're also not just doing it with movies involving princesses.
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ImpAtom posted:Yes, because "Princess Movie" doesn't mean the same thing now as it did then, and they're also not just doing it with movies involving princesses. "Most Disney princesses wear a ring. This Princess dominates one." - Punch - coming 2019
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Drifter posted:"Most Disney princesses wear a ring. This Princess dominates one." i'd fuckin watch that
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Drifter posted:"Most Disney princesses wear a ring. This Princess dominates one." Magic Hate Ball posted:i'd fuckin watch that In addition to echoing the sentiment, let me share Masaaki Yuasa's Kick-Heart, which features a wrestling nun: https://vimeo.com/channels/559477/70299629
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Drifter posted:"Most Disney princesses wear a ring. This Princess dominates one." Just a slight edit.
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Detective No. 27 posted:I'm pretty alright with Disney not including the rape from their version of Sleeping Beauty.
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Drifter posted:"Most Disney princesses wear a ring. This Princess dominates one." I thought this was real for a second and got excited, then I looked it up and realized it's a joke. Now I'm sad.
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Drifter posted:"Most Disney princesses wear a ring. This Princess dominates one."  Ooh ooh ooh, what animal sidekick does she have? 
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this is her old trainer who dies before her fight for the title
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Hedrigall posted:
I vote Betta fish or Rhinoceros Beetle. Comedy Option: an elk. He can hold her towels for her, but when she's getting pummeled in act 1 there's a moment of suspense when he can't get the towel unstuck to throw it in. Actually, just go with the elk.
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Drifter posted:"Most Disney princesses wear a ring. This Princess dominates one." Well, I'm upset this film doesn't exist now.
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