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Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

Baron Corbyn posted:

Hey, looks like The Sun have decided to back to posting straight up "ew gays" bullshit and outing people for no apparent reason.

The sole good thing is the comments from the people who are disgusted that the article has been posted, and question the purpose of it.

[e]: 1979 - Formed from the ooze of Azathoth, risen from the opening of the sigils of Armageddon, the fell-beast, Old Thatch takes on near-human form to become leader of the Conservatives and the first woman Prime Minister of the UK.

Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Feb 14, 2017

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GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

Also they've got loads of photos of him in the article. They've clearly stalked him around to take photos of him. Here's one of him taking out the bins.

They've gone to a lot of effort to ruin this one guy's life in particular. Very confusing.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:30

Dead Goon: Dec 13, 2002; No Obvious Flaws

Baron Corbyn posted:

Hey, looks like The Sun have decided to back to posting straight up "ew gays" bullshit and outing people for no apparent reason.

Found the article eventually on the website and was surprised to see that the comments were all sane "what the gently caress, how is this news? gently caress off you piece of poo poo reporter/newspaper" type.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:30

Doctor_Fruitbat: Jun 2, 2013

Lord of the Llamas posted:

It's shameless clickbait with no news worth or public interest. People should be able to sue for poo poo like this.

Considering the time and cost, the lovely byline apology that would (maybe) result and how little it would help with the stress of being exposed, I think the appropriate response around be to go to their office and brick their windows.

Much cheaper, much quicker. gently caress liberalism and gently caress playing by its rules.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:33

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

If you've ever worked in adult entertainment or the sex industry then you're not a real person and it's only fair for the dregs of the newspaper industry to repeatedly stalk you.

After all, he had a sex. Would you want your child treated by someone who had a sex? Remember the outrage when Sasha Grey read a children's book to school children as part of a school reading program, after having previously had a sex?

Brought to you by the newspaper that yells 'prudes!' at anyone who dares question Page 3.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:38

Puntification: Nov 4, 2009; Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic; Fun Shoe

Baron Corbyn posted:

They've gone to a lot of effort to ruin this one guy's life in particular. Very confusing.

It's not very confusing; the sun are the scum of the earth.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:43

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

Baron Corbyn posted:

They've gone to a lot of effort to ruin this one guy's life in particular. Very confusing.

Yeah it's really loving lovely.
"EX-ADULT PERFORMER GOT A DEGREE NOW A NURSE AND HELPING OTHERS!" says professional muck-raker taking creeper shots of someone taking out their garbage for them to scurry through when he's not looking.

Guavanaut posted:

If you've ever worked in adult entertainment or the sex industry then you're not a real person and it's only fair for the dregs of the newspaper industry to repeatedly stalk you.

After all, they're just meat puppets - they don't think or feel. They're just dirty dirty sex havers, and not just that, but a "homo" dirty sex haver too! People should be outraged! Theresa May should ban sex entirely!

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:45

WeAreTheRomans: Feb 23, 2010; by R. Guyovich

Baron Corbyn posted:

They've gone to a lot of effort to ruin this one guy's life in particular. Very confusing.

they also accused Hillsborough victims of looting corpses. i'm not sure what you're confused about

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:45

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

WeAreTheRomans posted:

they also accused Hillsborough victims of looting corpses. i'm not sure what you're confused about

The effort, not the willingness. They could have achieved the same effect by posting the article with the screencap from one of his movies and photos stolen from his social media they already had. I'm confused they went the extra mile of sending people to his house to take photos of him taking out the rubbish. It feels like more than callous uncaring 'ew gays' clickbait, it's like they really loving hate this guy. It's really vindictive.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:51

Total Meatlove: Jan 28, 2007; Rangers died, shoujo Hitler cried ;_;

I'd guess that it's a rainy day story that someone had in a drawer marked 'unconscionable poo poo only cunts would publish' that they feed out to their freelancers to keep them working during lean spells.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:53

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

It almost feels like the result of some sloppily done blackmail gone wrong. Like some piece of poo poo journo said "do [x] or we'll publish this dirt on you" and they said "lol gently caress off".

Then again Britain's garbage-tier press has driven people to suicide over "this teacher had a sex change! near children!" before, so "gay porns in are hospitals" might fall into whatever trashpile they class as human interest.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:55

HJB: Feb 16, 2011; I can't get enough of are Dan

Looks like this is what set them off:

https://twitter.com/johnrmcluskey/status/748922144592101377

# ? Feb 14, 2017 12:56

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Baron Corbyn posted:

The effort, not the willingness. They could have achieved the same effect by posting the article with the screencap from one of his movies and photos stolen from his social media they already had. I'm confused they went the extra mile of sending people to his house to take photos of him taking out the rubbish. It feels like more than callous uncaring 'ew gays' clickbait, it's like they really loving hate this guy. It's really vindictive.

And people complain that nobody does real investigative journalism any more.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:03

Pissflaps: Oct 20, 2002; by VideoGames

HJB posted:

Looks like this is what set them off:

https://twitter.com/johnrmcluskey/status/748922144592101377

I'm not him so we know he doesn't post in this thread.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:04

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

HJB posted:

Looks like this is what set them off:

https://twitter.com/johnrmcluskey/status/748922144592101377

So a guy from an industry that has been at the forefront of preventing HIV transmission by encouraging safer sex, harm reduction, treatment management, and honest disclosure decided to train and became a HIV nurse?

That sounds like a really good thing, far better than a nurse who gets flustered when talking about anal or ~~fisting~~four digiting :britain:

.

Congrats Tim.

And well done The Sun for drawing our attention to such a community minded young man (you pile of miserable cunts).

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:07

Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

It's literally "he's gay". You can't even argue that there's a risk of him giving HIV to patients, they've already loving got it.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:13

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Here's where we find out that the hack is an ex-partner or some crotchety homophobic relative or something

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:17

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

I think it's more 'he did a porns!' with a side of homophobia.

But they've done it to women before, but replace the homophobia with slut shaming.

They don't believe that you should be allowed a normal life after working in adult entertainment, but they also hate the 'joyless angry feminists' who want to ban it.

But also support the Tories because they only want to ban the really sick filth, like 'anything we don't like'.

It's the essential dichotomy of pornification, otherwise known as 'the Sun are cunts'.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:21

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Kim Jong Un has just had his brohter assassinated

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:23

Pesky Splinter: Feb 16, 2011; A worried pug.

Jose posted:

Kim Jong Un has just had his brohter assassinated

Did he star in any adult films?

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:25

MikeCrotch: Nov 5, 2011; I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

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NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Jose posted:

Kim Jong Un has just had his brohter assassinated

David Miliband just got a boner and he's not sure why

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:27

DaWolfey: Oct 25, 2003; College Slice

I note they didn't capitalise "HIS" where they reveal that he is a male nurse.

That's progress :kiddo:

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:27

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Pesky Splinter posted:

Did he star in any adult films?

unlikely as he lost his chance to be dictator for the crime of trying to go to disneyland japan on a fake passport

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:28

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

Pesky Splinter posted:

Did he star in any adult films?

Kim Jong Unf

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:33

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

Jose posted:

unlikely as he lost his chance to be dictator for the crime of trying to go to disneyland japan on a fake passport

I was about to ask if it was that one. Do you mean he was actually assassinated as opposed to executed? Was it in North Korea or outside?

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:39

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Pesky Splinter posted:

Did he star in any adult films?

Taep'o Dong 2: The Hot Test

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:43

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Baron Corbyn posted:

I was about to ask if it was that one. Do you mean he was actually assassinated as opposed to executed? Was it in North Korea or outside?

assassinated in malaysia

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:45

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

DaWolfey posted:

I note they didn't capitalise "HIS" where they reveal that he is a male nurse.

That's progress

I didn't spot them use the term male nurse which in my eyes is also a step forward. gently caress that stupid term.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:49

blunt: Jul 7, 2005

UK considers new punishments for whistleblowers and journalists to deter the next Snowden

The Verge posted:

The UK government is considering new laws that target whistleblowers and journalists who obtain or share state secrets. Draft legislation proposed as part of an upcoming overhaul of the UK�s Official Secrets Acts (OSA) could see individuals jailed for up to 14 years for handling leaked information. This is a substantial increase from current laws, which carry a punishment of up to two years� jail time and an unlimited fine, but only cover the disclosure of such leaked secrets.

Advocacy groups have criticized the plans as a �full-frontal attack� on whistleblowers, with one expert describing the legislation as �squarely aimed at The Guardian and Edward Snowden.� Jodie Ginsberg of the UK�s Index on Censorship told The Telegraph: �The proposed changes are frightening and have no place in a democracy [...] It is unthinkable that whistle blowers and those to whom they reveal their information should face jail for leaking and receiving information that is in the public interest.�

The 326-page advisory document (which can be seen here, courtesy of The Register) was drawn up by the Law Commission, an independent body that helps the UK government with matters of legal reform. The Commission proposes that the crime of espionage is redefined so it can be applied to someone who �not only communicates information,� but �obtains or gathers� it.

The report suggests that confidential economic data could also be protected under espionage laws (�as far as it relate to national security�), and that leakers should not be able to make the legal claim, if prosecuted, that disclosing government secrets is in the public interest. �Such a defence would allow someone to disclose information with potentially very damaging consequences,� states the report. �The person making the unauthorised disclosure is not best placed to make decisions about national security and the public interest.�

A number of UK whistleblowers have been critical of this omission. Katharine Gun, a former GCHQ translator who revealed the agency�s plans to bug UN offices in the run-up to the Iraq war, told The Guardian that the law needed to offer �protection for whistleblowers.� She added: �As it stands, the OSA is reputedly one of the most draconian secrecy laws in the world. It seems to me to have been very effective at dissuading and preventing the 99.9% of British citizens who have signed to it from making unauthorised disclosures.� Gun was charged under the OSA in 2003, but the case was dropped, reportedly over worry about the political fallout.

The Law Commission�s report states that the need to increase the punishment for potential whistleblowers matches the danger posed by such leaks. �In the digital age, the volume of information that can be disclosed without authorisation is much greater than when the Official Secrets Act 1989 was originally drafted,� says the report. �It could be argued that this means that the ability to cause damage to the national interest and the risk of such damage occurring has also increased.�

Under these suggested laws, The Guardian�s former editor Alan Rusbridger could have faced criminal charges for the paper�s part in publishing the Snowden leaks in 2013. These revealed the existence of secretive (and illegal) surveillance apparatus in the UK and the US. Jim Killock of the Open Rights Group told The Verge that the proposed legislation is an attempt to �make sure that the public never hears about any wrongdoing or lawbreaking by the security agencies.�

The report is simply advisory at this point, and the Law Commission is now holding an open consultation until April 3rd to solicit opinions on its suggestions. After that, a second report will be published, which might include a first draft of the newly christened Espionage Act.

http://www.theverge.com/2017/2/13/14596246/uk-whistleblowers-journalists-legislation-law-commission

That's not scary at all :eek:

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:52

GEORGE W BUSHI: Jul 1, 2012

Jose posted:

assassinated in malaysia

gently caress. A poison needle job. I wonder why they thought the goofy guy who wanted to sneak into Disneyland was enough of a threat to warrant that but I guess you don't become a totalitarian dictator without gaining a massive paranoid complex.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:52

Serotonin: Jul 14, 2001; The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of *blank*

Baron Corbyn posted:

I can't figure it out either. It feels like there has to be some deeper reason for it like some sort of vendetta. There's probably loads of people who did porn out there doing normal jobs now so why was this bloke singled out? Spurned an advance from someone on The Sun or something? Maybe The Sun is just a lovely publication staffed by lovely people who do lovely things for no reason other than they enjoy doing lovely things.

My suspicion would be he has a tenuous former link with someone famous and they are using this story as a warning shot. It's what they do

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:53

JFairfax: Oct 23, 2008; by FactsAreUseless

Baron Corbyn posted:

gently caress. A poison needle job. I wonder why they thought the goofy guy who wanted to sneak into Disneyland was enough of a threat to warrant that but I guess you don't become a totalitarian dictator without gaining a massive paranoid complex.

it's also a warning to others in the regime who may want to defect / run away - our reach is long and we will get you.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:54

Fangz: Jul 5, 2007; Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Kim Jong Un is the closest thing to a modern absolute monarch, so pruning the family tree is a very obvious thing for him to do. Nam is very foolish to have left the protection of China, IMO.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:59

Zephro: Nov 23, 2000; I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...

I support whistleblowing etc but I've always wondered about the Katherine Gunn case. What kind of person voluntarily joins a spy agency then finds the idea of bugging the UN so morally unconscionable they can't keep quiet? It's like taking a job at a slaughterhouse even though you're vegetarian or something. I wonder what she thought GCHQ did.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 13:59

WeAreTheRomans: Feb 23, 2010; by R. Guyovich

JFairfax posted:

it's also a warning to others in the regime who may want to defect / run away - our reach is long and we will get you.

Honestly wasn't sure if you were talking about The Sun or North Korea for a second.

Jedit posted:

It's literally "he's gay". You can't even argue that there's a risk of him giving HIV to patients, they've already loving got it.

This is admittedly besides the point, but this is a common misconception. There are multiple strains of HIV, and it's a real bad idea to collect them like Pokemon

# ? Feb 14, 2017 14:03

LemonDrizzle: Mar 28, 2012; neoliberal shithead

here are some tweets with slopey lines in them

https://twitter.com/caprosser/status/831481192406999040

https://twitter.com/caprosser/status/831481379867226112

# ? Feb 14, 2017 14:04

jBrereton: May 30, 2013; Grimey Drawer

Zephro posted:

I support whistleblowing etc but I've always wondered about the Katherine Gunn case. What kind of person voluntarily joins a spy agency then finds the idea of bugging the UN so morally unconscionable they can't keep quiet? It's like taking a job at a slaughterhouse even though you're vegetarian or something. I wonder what she thought GCHQ did.

Maybe she was a modern-day Spy For Peace.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 14:06

Cerv: Sep 14, 2004; This is a silly post with little news value.

Zephro posted:

I support whistleblowing etc but I've always wondered about the Katherine Gunn case. What kind of person voluntarily joins a spy agency then finds the idea of bugging the UN so morally unconscionable they can't keep quiet? It's like taking a job at a slaughterhouse even though you're vegetarian or something. I wonder what she thought GCHQ did.

romantic notions of them only spying on "the bad guys"?

makes you wonder how someone with such bleeding heart tendencies passed the vetting.

# ? Feb 14, 2017 14:07

ronya: Nov 8, 2010; I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

LemonDrizzle posted:

here are some tweets with slopey lines in them

https://twitter/caprosser/status/831481192406999040

https://twitter/caprosser/status/831481379867226112

that trend looks weak enough to be driven by just one or two of the polls at the edges

I don't disagree with the thesis, I just think the graph doesn't show much

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Spangly A: May 14, 2009; God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

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LemonDrizzle posted:

https://twitter.com/caprosser/status/831481379867226112

there's a difference between "a trend" and "I've drawn a squiggly line here" and that is the latter.

ronya posted:

that trend looks weak enough to be driven by just one or two of the polls at the edges

I don't disagree with the thesis, I just think the graph doesn't show much

yeah the actual trend levels at points in that graph before an outlier throws the bottom (which they chose to end the best fit with)

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