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Yeah, they long ago established that it wasn't the crystals that was dangerous to humans but rather the metal that encased them. They eventually "refined" the metal out.Snowglobe of Doom posted:Snapping one in half is apparently fine now, but knocking it on a hard surface will aerosolise it. I can't speak to the varying structural integrity. But I guess like you could snap a piece of chalk in half but if you smashed it on a table hard enough it will explode into a cloud of dust. Maybe not to the same degree, but hey, tv/comic magic.
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Before the show showed the cause of the explosion I thought that chrysalis followed by explosion was the intended function of the anti-inhuman crystals. Would have made for a good way of getting rid of the alien gene, as well as a pretty cool supervillain weapon.
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There weren't "anti inhuman crystals." They were just the leftover crystals Radcliffe had from his work with Hive.
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STAC Goat posted:There weren't "anti inhuman crystals." They were just the leftover crystals Radcliffe had from his work with Hive. Radcliffe's magic sauce was combining Hive spoor + Kree blood + Diviner Metal + Terrigen Crystals to create something that would convert regular people into people with the Inhuman gene, awaken their power, then bind them to hive in one fell swoop. Created alpha primitives instead, but good try I guess. The pure crystals must be something he figured out while doing the other work. I'm assuming pure crystals were possible all along, but Jaiying didn't want to spare non-Inhumans and killing them was a bonus.
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Feb 13, 2017 22:28
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Well saying it was all from his time with Hive is probably an over simplification. But between his time with Hive trying to make the crystals safe for humans and his work with SHIELD who has whatever Jaiying left behind (and yeah, she obviously saw "killing humans" as a benefit, not a bug) whatever Radcliff had was the results of all of that. Either way the point remains that they weren't "anti inhuman" ones the Watchdogs had. The Watchdogs got them from Radcliffe. We even saw him put them out of a freezer, hand them to the Superior, and say he had them from his past work.
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STAC Goat posted:Well saying it was all from his time with Hive is probably an over simplification. But between his time with Hive trying to make the crystals safe for humans and his work with SHIELD who has whatever Jaiying left behind (and yeah, she obviously saw "killing humans" as a benefit, not a bug) whatever Radcliff had was the results of all of that. Seems like the Watchdogs want to awaken all Inhumans so they can kill them. They consider just the genetic potential to be an Inhuman to be a disease. I mean, didn't SHIELD develop a blood test for that? That'd be a lot easier.
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STAC Goat posted:There weren't "anti inhuman crystals." They were just the leftover crystals Radcliffe had from his work with Hive. I'm aware, but radcliffe's dialogue put me on the wrong foot - his dialogue with superior is somewhere along the lines of "oh here are these crystals that are the first step in exterminating the inhumans" - exploding chrysalises would make a good first step.
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Aleph Null posted:Seems like the Watchdogs want to awaken all Inhumans so they can kill them. They consider just the genetic potential to be an Inhuman to be a disease. I mean, didn't SHIELD develop a blood test for that? That'd be a lot easier. Maybe I missed something but I don't remember them voicing any such plan. They just wanted to see if Nadeer was an inhuman because her brother was and they had crystals to test her thanks to Radcliffe. They were just being racist assholes demanding a purity test. If the Watchdogs had some kind of plan to weed out all the inhumans by turning them involuntarily (which would seem like a really stupid plan since its effectively giving your victims super powers before you kill them even if it was feasible to do it on a wide scale) I assume they would have started by having a purity test that would have exposed bomb guy before the Nadeer incident.
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The other part of attempting to turn Nadeer was literally said out loud: The easiest way to bait SHIELD would be with an inhuman, so they intended to create one. Turned out to work (as far as they know), albeit not directly in the way they planned, because the bad guys DID end up capturing the "director" at the end of the episode.
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I wonder how far Mace will get with the "hey guys I'm not really an Inhuman" defense. Could see The Superior deciding to use the serum and getting messed up by it like Simmons said could happen to Mace at any time. Nadeer, The Superior, and the Watch Dogs are boring villains but Radcliffe and his replica squad make up for it. I am glad they blew up Nadeer. They made her a racist bitch to the end.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah, they long ago established that it wasn't the crystals that was dangerous to humans but rather the metal that encased them. They eventually "refined" the metal out. I just think it's weird that potential Inhumans can handle the crystals themselves without any side effects but once they're airborne then they suddenly have an effect on people. RareAcumen fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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RareAcumen posted:I just think it's weird that Inhumans can handle the crystals themselves without any side effects but once they're airborne then they suddenly have an effect on people. Maybe there's a layer of transparent plastic or something on the crystals? At this point I'm just pulling poo poo out of my rear end.
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RareAcumen posted:I just think it's weird that potential Inhumans can handle the crystals themselves without any side effects but once they're airborne then they suddenly have an effect on people. Asbestos in solid form won't hurt you but if you break it up into airborne particles and breath it in you'll gently caress up your lungs.
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Here's what I remember about the evolution/affect of the crystals. When the crystals were in the Kree obselisk humans couldnt touch it because the metal would kill/petrify them but inhumans could and it would open the obselisk. At that point the crystals inside would shatter and they affected Tripp, Daisy, and Raina with Tripp just being turned to stone and then getting exploded when Daisy quaked out. Jaiying's crystals were grown wrong or something and had traces of the obselisk metal in them so when a human touched them they got the same affect as the obselisk like with Caulson's hand. An inhuman could still touch them and still needed them to be shattered to transform. When the crystals went to the ocean, shattered/leached off, affected the fish, and made it into the pills something about the process took out the metal impurity so now humans could consume them with no affect at all but Inhumans would husk up. Radcliffe's then purified Jaiying's crystals or grew new ones without any of human killing metal. So they could be handled by human and inhuman with no effect but if shattered/consumed cause the transformation in inhumans. So Watchdog guy could carry the crystals but they didn't affect him until he shattered and breathed them in. Nadeer and the others were unaffected but were killed when Watchdog dude blew out of his husk like Daisy did. Tldr: You've always had to take them in to transform, it was just the metal that made them deadly to humans whether they touched the crystals or breathed in the powder. STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Feb 14, 2017 |
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STAC Goat posted:Here's what I remember about the evolution/affect of the crystals. Good summary. Only "correction" is that Tripp died because he was hit by a metal fragment when he kicked the crystal and it exploded, not due to the crystal itself.
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Metropolis posted:I wonder how far Mace will get with the "hey guys I'm not really an Inhuman" defense. Wait, Didn't the watchdogs setup that huge elaborate plan specifically to get Mace's case of super soldier serum? That one soldier even targeted the vial specifically to keep Mace from reaching it while they were fighting. They should already know he's not an inhuman right?
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Space Crabs posted:Wait, Didn't the watchdogs setup that huge elaborate plan specifically to get Mace's case of super soldier serum? They wanted to kill Mace. The goon shot the vial because Mace was clearly trying to reach it.
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Feb 14, 2017 06:52
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More to the point, Mace bluffed all the goons in the very same episode by acting like he was a superpowered inhuman despite being totally off the serum at that point.
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Slashrat posted:More to the point, Mace bluffed all the goons in the very same episode by acting like he was a superpowered inhuman despite being totally off the serum at that point. Mace has shown himself to be consistently great at bluffing/improvising his way out of harrowing situations. And he really is a charming man.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJkxFhFRFDA&t=90s Am I alone in seeing a resemblance between Stan Getz and Jason O'Mara (Mace)?
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Feb 15, 2017 02:39
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Good start. Cool fight and Fitz' protest.
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They got that Matrix kung fu training tech
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Feb 15, 2017 04:02
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Coulson, you have a Number One Fan!
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Feb 15, 2017 04:04
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Oh you do not want to make Aida mad .
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So....do you just poop and pee yourself while in the Framework? Doesn't seem to be any sort of "disposal" apparatuses on hand while you're under...
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Feb 15, 2017 04:07
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Young Coulson's bad Russian. Younger May's hair! This is adorable.
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Oh, he's totally gonna end up dying while hooked up.
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Awww, baby coulson and may
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That wig is terribad.
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May sassin' on Coulson even back in the day is wonderful.
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OK, the more I see of it, the more I'm down for the King Kong movie. That commercial was pretty fun. (I'm going to be horribly disappointed, aren't I?)
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flosofl posted:OK, the more I see of it, the more I'm down for the King Kong movie. That commercial was pretty fun. It has John C Reilly wearing a jacket with the phrase "For your health" on it.
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flosofl posted:OK, the more I see of it, the more I'm down for the King Kong movie. That commercial was pretty fun. I don't care if it's total poo poo. Giant apes wrecking poo poo is my jam.
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Lol, did he really just namedrop Brainscan? Edit: The music at the end of that scene made it sound like a cross between Mass Effect and Deus Ex was starting.
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Feb 15, 2017 04:14
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Oh my god all this bickering. This episode is already wonderful.
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Feb 15, 2017 04:17
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Oh good lord, flirty Coulson and May.
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Feb 15, 2017 04:17
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Aww they were flirting from the start this is so cute Perfect Valentine's episode.
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Metaphor. Well done. She's at Drax's level at least.
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Maybe she's developing empathy? Nah.
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GLOSS posted:So....do you just poop and pee yourself while in the Framework? Doesn't seem to be any sort of "disposal" apparatuses on hand while you're under... The knowledge of the darkhold is not enough to overcome this challenge 
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