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shieeet maybe losing this deal means he'll go from being just incredibly filthy rich to only being just incredibly filthy rich
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The last 40 seconds are spectacular. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/831396451284557824
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d6bzRqCtqs someone please cut out the first part then splice it together with the presser announcing flynn resigned tia maybe add in jk simmons saying jesus what a clusterfuck https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FHpOLiobmA tia. tia. Gio fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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 On Friday, the Director of the CIA, Mike Pompeo, used his first trip abroad to present Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef with the CIA’s highest award for fighting terrorism, the George Tenet Medal. LOL LOL LOL
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Sinteres posted:Some balls naming the award after the guy who was head of the CIA when this happened: That and most of the responsible parties [pictured as oily smoke] were Saudi Arabian. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miE-kwQM0mo "All the chaos that Trump is creating, utter chaos - and these twats, who think they represent the left, they just handed it to him. It's not just a handful of violent thugs when they are being legitimised by thousands of people proudly retweeting videos of Trump-supporters getting punched or pepper-sprayed. You're handing the moral high-ground to Trump and it boils my piss. You got the Guardian to run articles whether it's ethical to punch a nazi. What the gently caress are you talking about?! Weighing up the pros and cons of arbitrarily labelling someone a nazi in order to legitimise punching them in face. What the gently caress does the Guarding think its doing? But if I were to express these views publicly I'M the one who gets branded as a nazi apologist. It's hosed up. The free speech-movement started in Berkeley, now they're tearing it apart. The irony of it. These people honestly believe they're fighting fascism. Shutting people's opinion down through violence isn't fighting fascism - it IS fascism! The world's gone mad." lllllllllllllllllll fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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lllllllllllllllllll posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miE-kwQM0mo Is it really arbitrarily calling someone a Nazi if you have video of them saying Nazi slogans to a crowd while that crowd gives them the Nazi salute? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o6-bi3jlxk
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vyelkin posted:Is it really arbitrarily calling someone a Nazi if you have video of them saying Nazi slogans to a crowd while that crowd gives them the Nazi salute? 
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lllllllllllllllllll posted:"Shutting people's opinion down through violence isn't fighting fascism - it IS fascism!" this guy doesn't know what fascism is 
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lllllllllllllllllll posted:It certainly isn't, but does that legitimise violence against these despicable people? I guess I just don't like the social dynamic of "Let's punch someone in the face!" regardless of its target. I agree that violence is bad. That being said, there are also problems with the idea that Nazis are engaging in some free exchange of views on the intellectual marketplace and that the solution is to just out-debate them, because a) they're not making rational arguments, so they can't necessarily be defeated by making rational arguments; b) their hateful rhetoric has actual real-world consequences; and c) having actual real-world Nazis taking part in mainstream political discourse rather than being out on the fringe somewhere is deeply damaging to the political climate because it legitimizes their views when we engage them in debate as if their ideology of "kill all non-whites" and our ideology of "don't kill all non-whites" are somehow equivalent.  These six people died several weeks ago in Quebec because some alt-right weirdo decided to change up from trolling their mosque's facebook group to walking in and shooting them. Was he inspired by Nazi rhetoric? Almost certainly. Maybe he wouldn't have killed them if someone had sat him down and had a rational discussion where they tried to out-debate his Nazi views, but that conversation probably wouldn't have been necessary if Nazis weren't already a legitimized part of public discourse.  These nine people died several years ago in South Carolina because some alt-right weirdo was self-radicalized by online propaganda and thought black people were a threat to white civilization. Was he inspired by Nazi rhetoric? Absolutely he was, he freely admitted at his trial that he was self-radicalized online by visiting white supremacist and Nazi websites. Maybe he wouldn't have killed those nine people if someone had sat him down and had a rational discussion where they tried to out-debate his Nazi views, but that conversation probably wouldn't have been necessary if Nazis weren't already a legitimized part of online discourse. My point is that I can understand why some people would respond to the Nazi-punching by saying that they're actually responding to violence with violence rather than instigating it against someone who is just expressing their free speech. Hitler probably never killed any Jews himself; until 1933 at least, the overwhelming majority of what he did was write books and give speeches, which we would respect under free speech. Nevertheless those books and speeches created a hateful white supremacist ideology that resulted in the deaths of millions of people. I would argue that today's Nazis are doing the same thing on a small scale: giving speeches, writing books, and engaging in today's media landscape on the internet, and just like the actual Nazis they're inspiring people to go out and murder non-whites with their propaganda. It is legitimately dangerous to have Nazism be an acceptable part of your political discourse and I understand why people want to beat it back into the shadows. The problem I see is that violence doesn't actually accomplish that. It used to be that Nazis just weren't part of ordinary political discourse, because newspapers wouldn't print them and TV news wouldn't broadcast them. Now we have the internet and enabling sites like Reddit and Twitter that respond very, very slowly to Nazi propaganda broadcast via their domain, if they respond at all, as well as actual Nazi websites that you can visit easily by googling certain terms that come up all the time in mainstream news, like "black on black crime" which is what first started the Charleston shooter down the path of radicalization. But of course you can't punch the internet genie back into the bottle. Punching Richard Spencer didn't shut down his website and destroying property at Berkeley didn't stop Milo Yiannopolous's book from becoming a bestseller. Maybe there's no way back from the current political climate because the internet isn't going anywhere. Maybe we just have to accept that Nazism is normalized now, and get used to having vigorous free speech debates trying to debunk Nazi claims that were never meant to be examined rationally while periodically some Nazi takes it too far and murders some innocent people. Maybe that's just the reality we live in now. But I understand why some people don't want to accept that as the norm. vyelkin fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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lllllllllllllllllll posted:"These people honestly believe they're fighting fascism. Shutting people's opinion down through violence isn't fighting fascism - it IS fascism! The world's gone mad."  National Rail is nationalism!
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Punching Nazis is bad because punching anyone is bad. Same reason we (try to) don't torture rapists or murders. However I'm all for Justified style justice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s0GZdHYnCg
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mobby_6kl posted:Punching Nazis is bad because punching anyone is bad. Same reason we (try to) don't torture rapists or murders. don't be silly. a nazi getting punched in the street for preaching white nationalism is not the same as the state torturing a prisoner 
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Political street violence is a bad thing even if it's just a symptom of the larger problem. Top stories lists from: New York Times  Wall Street Journal  Fox 
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mobby_6kl posted:Punching Nazis is bad because punching anyone is bad. I agree, violence is bad. What I'm saying is that considering Nazis are successfully spreading a hateful ideology that has literally led to multiple instances of mass murder by people inspired by Nazi messaging, I also understand why there are people who want to respond to their exercise of free speech with violence. I would not personally punch a Nazi because I don't believe in the use of violence to solve problems, even problems that are themselves violent, but I'm all for understanding why other people would. 
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This seems relevant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC_Hvc7p9uY
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I seriously don't get how people don't realize that violence has been an entirely normalised to the point that almost every instance of it is overlooked by the general public. Even mass killings have become common enough that people have a seemingly scripted response when it happens. Really, the only time it's unacceptable is when people on the political left commit it because it's uncouth and they should know better. Meanwhile, right wing militias all but have free reign to do whatever they want (and sometimes even get support from law enforcement) while virtually every level of power is controlled by unrepentant bigots who have no qualms about using violence to get their way. Unless you have a solid plan to wrest power from these people without using violence, I'm going to stick with what's worked in the past. https://twitter.com/NYDailyNews/status/831586381738684416
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MizPiz posted:Unless you have a solid plan to wrest power from these people without using violence, I'm going to stick with what's worked in the past. punching nazis is not about wresting power from those in charge 
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Quoting for posterity. 
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For anyone still wondering if it's OK to punch nazis, here's a handy FAQ.
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Nebalebadingdong posted:punching nazis is not about wresting power from those in charge It's about taking out your personal frustrations on an other that is so repugnant, nobody will see your action as a cry for help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkE7Ju0cK5Y
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Freakazoid_ posted:It's about taking out your personal frustrations on an other that is so repugnant, nobody will see your action as a cry for help. the "frustrations" aren't personal, white nationalists don't constitute an other, they aren't as repugnant as you think they are, and punching a nazi is not a cry for help (? help with what?) 
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Nebalebadingdong posted:punching nazis is not about wresting power from those in charge It's a necessary part of the process. Arguably the most important aspect of nazism, and similar ideologies, is the promise of promise of personal security and the sense of ownership over public spaces and certain private ones. It informs most of the decisions they make, especially with policy, and justifies every action that they take. Making the ideologies themselves a safety risk is the most direct and impactful means to shatter that reality. 
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MizPiz posted:It's a necessary part of the process. Arguably the most important aspect of nazism, and similar ideologies, is the promise of promise of personal security and the sense of ownership over public spaces and certain private ones. It informs most of the decisions they make, especially with policy, and justifies every action that they take. Making the ideologies themselves a safety risk is the most direct and impactful means to shatter that reality.   
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vyelkin posted:Is it really arbitrarily calling someone a Nazi if you have video of them saying Nazi slogans to a crowd while that crowd gives them the Nazi salute? I'm pretty sure there are more people being attacked than that one guy who we all agree is an actual nazi. 
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