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Phlegmish posted:If it is true that North Korea was behind it, which seems very likely, Kim Jong-Un is NOT the jolly type of fat man. First his uncle, now his half-brother. I don't like people that murder their family. Well, considering the family/view he was raised under, I'd imagine he has very little emotion connection to anyone but himself.
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holy poo poo, if that's the assassinPhlegmish posted:If it is true that North Korea was behind it, which seems very likely, Kim Jong-Un is NOT the jolly type of fat man. well, I'm glad that's finally been established.
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CommieGIR posted:I don't know what they are actually trying to cover up with killing them, unless their orders were to commit suicide after killing him. I think most/all of the political assassinations North Korea commits are people in the country, so they can just be rounded up for an "official" execution or shot in the back of the head while walking down the street with nobody really able to do anything. They probably considered sending assassins outside of the country a gigantic security risk if any of them got arrested and interrogated, so either they were killed to keep them from blabbing or they picked people loyal enough to swallow some cyanide right after doing the deed.
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Haven't seen such an obvious assassination like that since Alexander Litvinenko. Honestly surprised to see it come from Jong-Un.
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chitoryu12 posted:I think most/all of the political assassinations North Korea commits are people in the country, so they can just be rounded up for an "official" execution or shot in the back of the head while walking down the street with nobody really able to do anything. They probably considered sending assassins outside of the country a gigantic security risk if any of them got arrested and interrogated, so either they were killed to keep them from blabbing or they picked people loyal enough to swallow some cyanide right after doing the deed. They blew up a South Korea passenger jet back in the day, you should check out the autobiography by the female spy. Fascinating stuff of NK's (low rent) oversea training and operation. whatever7 fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/Malaysian-police-arrest-woman-with-Vietnamese-passport/article17307235.ecequote:Malaysian police probing the killing of the half-brother of North Korea’s leader arrested a woman on Wednesday as they tried to unravel a Cold War-style assassination the South said was carried out by Pyongyang’s agents.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:56
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LOL execution tops all Putin and CIA assassinations.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Haven't seen such an obvious assassination like that since Alexander Litvinenko. Honestly surprised to see it come from Jong-Un. The target was his half-brother, so if he was directly involved in the assassination decision it was probably a very personal thing for him. The guy's prominence in the family means he'd likely be treated as a traitor of the highest order for running off to become a foreign playboy.
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Kurtofan posted:https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/831756598041260032/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Where's the source on that? All I'm seeing is one woman arrested. quote:The detained woman, whose passport said she was born in Nam Dinh Vietnam, told police she was asked to spray Mr Kim as part of a "prank", urged on by four men, according to a reporter from Hong Kong's Oriental Daily newspaper, who is in Kuala Lumpur. 
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Kurtofan posted:https://twitter.com/goldengateblond/status/831756598041260032/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw Suicide or level two assassination?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Synthbuttrange posted:Where's the source on that? All I'm seeing is one woman arrested. The only thing I can say to that is: roflmao.
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Synthbuttrange posted:Where's the source on that? All I'm seeing is one woman arrested. The ultimate "It's just a prank, bro!"
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Setting aside the latest moment of insanity (which seems to be the only thing that spurs discussion on Korea), would anyone like to discuss the merits of engagement with the DPRK? (I've read Bradley's book, I've been rereading Myers more critically and I would like to get into Lankov's work beyond his journal papers. I'm especially interested in this debate at the moment after stumbling upon an academic dust-up involving Myers and a few other Korea scholars from 2014.) These are the things about economic engagement I don't understand: first, is regime collapse a goal? If so, is that actually a good thing? I believe that part of the reason the DPRK continues is that neither China, South Korea, nor the U.S. want to foot the bill to rehabilitate the country when the regime does inevitably collapse. Second, how is economic engagement necessarily good for the North Korean people? Who is placing conditions that stop the DPRK from accepting exactly as much state capitalism as it needs to finance itself, perhaps even strengthening its tattered surveillance state in the process? The U.S. has a history of business relationships with repressive regimes wherein we exploit access to cheap labor and raw materials. At best, we turn a blind eye to human rights abuses, and at best we actively help them put down dissent. We supported a series of dictators in South Korea while "expressing concerns." I'm inclined to believe that more change is happening thanks to small entrepreneurs selling goods smuggled across the Chinese border than from anything Western capitalists are doing.
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Halloween Jack posted:Setting aside the latest moment of insanity (which seems to be the only thing that spurs discussion on Korea), would anyone like to discuss the merits of engagement with the DPRK? Your inclination is largely correct. They're doing it because if they didn't do it, asian capitalists would, and the US and European populations would rather we did it. The other powers are preparing for the collapse, but have no interest in actually spurring it, because it would be a political, humanitarian and police disaster of biblical proportions.
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Feb 17, 2017 16:08
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The people who spurred and allowed small good trade over the Chinese border are dead now, it will be interesting to see how that changes in the future.
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All this Kim Jong Nam stuff has been whipping the Japanese news media into a frenzy. It's been even supplanting Donald Trump's daily shenanigans as the top story.
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And the two women assassins may have been duped.quote:Bangkok/Jakarta: An Indonesian woman arrested over the assassination of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's half-brother, were duped into believing she was taking part in a television show prank, according to police. http://www.smh.com.au/world/kim-jongnam-assassination-suspects-spent-time-in-china-before-poisoning-prank-reports-20170217-gufu52.html
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Feb 18, 2017 10:02
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What's an i-kad? Typo?
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Tias posted:What's an i-kad? Typo? Korean iPad.
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Tias posted:What's an i-kad? Typo? Some sort of ID in Malaysia.
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Feb 18, 2017 12:54
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"Kad" is BM for card.
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Synthbuttrange posted:And the two women assassins may have been duped. I've been seeing this story go around a lot, but it's worth being skeptical about it for now. North Korea's agents have a history of lying their asses of when they get captured, sometimes for weeks.
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Koramei posted:I've been seeing this story go around a lot, but it's worth being skeptical about it for now. North Korea's agents have a history of lying their asses of when they get captured, sometimes for weeks. It does seem incredibly unlikely. "Hi random tourist women, we complete strangers would like you to single out this specific man in the airport for a prank! Make sure to run and hide afterwards, especially if he drops to the ground suddenly!"
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That's what happens when you kill their patsy!
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so like how much official trade is left with north korea and the outside world, and how much do they depend on that remaining trade?
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thechosenone posted:so like how much official trade is left with north korea and the outside world, and how much do they depend on that remaining trade? Things like the cell network are still run in cooperation between a North Korean company and various outside companies. In the particular case of the cell phones that's Orascom based out of Egypt, who also has a decent amount of construction contracts in North Korea as well. Orascom even used to have a large amount of cement facilities in North Korea but I believe that business was sold off.
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u brexit ukip it posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/world/asia/north-korea-china-coal-imports-suspended.html?_r=0 seems china is sick of there poo poo. can't really blame them.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:seems china is sick of there poo poo. can't really blame them. This was going to hapen anyways, China's 5 year plan includes less coal and more nuclear/renewables.
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CommieGIR posted:This was going to hapen anyways, China's 5 year plan includes less coal and more nuclear/renewables. Its gonna be ironic if China is the world's leading Nuclear power generator. At least it will exist to remind people nuclear power isn't just like, literal bombs or something stupid.
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CommieGIR posted:This was going to hapen anyways, China's 5 year plan includes less coal and more nuclear/renewables. It also includes reducing the wealth gap by essentially wishing it to happen, so I'd take anything in that plan with a metric tonne of salt.
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Fuji Terebi here in Japan aired CCTV footage of what looks to be the assassination (I watched it on TV Asahi). Sure doesn't look like a TV prank to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6lgVMUeWkM
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thechosenone posted:so like how much official trade is left with north korea and the outside world, and how much do they depend on that remaining trade? I'm not sure, but according to that article it seems coal is by far the largest: quote:Coal has accounted for 34 percent to 40 percent of North Korean exports in the past several years, and almost all of it was shipped to China, according to South Korean government estimates.
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North Korea has diverse mineral resources, but coal is more easily mined by crippled slave children.
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Nope, first autopsy was inconclusive, supposedly new autopsy will be performed and results announced this week. North Korea is going full North Korea about it. http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017/02/20/malaysia-and-n-korea-on-verge-of-diplomatic-row/ http://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2017/02/20/subra-police-will-make-announcement/ Lum_ fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Auritech posted:Fuji Terebi here in Japan aired CCTV footage of what looks to be the assassination (I watched it on TV Asahi). Sure doesn't look like a TV prank to me. WTF, the videos before and after he got assassinated were much sharper. I can't see poo poo.
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Freakazoid_ posted:Have they identified what chemicals it was that killed him? Japanese media is speculating that it was VX liquid.
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