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Why is everyone so scared of automation? Just try being smart and be the one making/programming the robots. Bing bing bong so simple.
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Full employment is bad. You cannot have it. It leads to hyper inflation. ? It is def an inflationary pressure but it's not quite that extreme. yeah I eat rear end posted:Why is everyone so scared of automation? Just try being smart and be the one making/programming the robots. Bing bing bong so simple. They'll make/program themselves in a couple decades you watch
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Why is everyone so scared of automation? Just try being smart and be the one making/programming the robots. Bing bing bong so simple. 
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Why is everyone so scared of automation? Just try being smart and be the one making/programming the robots. Bing bing bong so simple. when did autists start saying "bing bing bong" instead of "beep boop"
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Feb 15, 2017 18:37
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Full employment is bad. You cannot have it. It leads to hyper inflation. The guy who handles scheduling and approves timecards for a delivery company has some pretty serious opinions on extremely complicated economic concepts
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Feb 15, 2017 18:37
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Mirthless posted:The guy who handles scheduling and approves timecards for a delivery company has some pretty serious opinions on extremely complicated economic concepts It's also routing, problem solving, interactions with clients, training new staff. It's a job all right. Should I be ashamed to work?
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Feb 15, 2017 18:38
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We should all be ashamed for our complicity in this barbarous system!
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Feb 15, 2017 18:40
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We should go back to a simpler time of killing everyone. Hopefully Trump will get us there
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Feb 15, 2017 18:41
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I agree that Trump is poo poo, but i think the threat of automation is a bit overstated. There's still a lot that robots and AIs cant do. Even small children are smarter than the best robots. And a lot of jobs require things like manual dexterity, moving about in hectic chaotic environments, using common sense, and so on. I work in food service and there's a lot that robots cant do at my job. Dont get me wrong, im not saying my job is sooooo important or anything. But robots still struggle with things that humans are pros at, and have been since we were kids. Humans can do "on-the-spot" improvisation and are flexible and versatile, a given worker can do different things at different times. Robots can't. Not saying robots will never be capable of all of this but its going to be a long time.
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Feb 15, 2017 18:45
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I woulda liked a little robo prep cook pal.
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Feb 15, 2017 18:46
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There's an important fallacy in this call for guaranteed income If you have no factories, no jobs, nothing in your country, where is this money coming from and why do they need to keep giving it to you? You'll burn everything down? Burn down what? They've built their worldwide corporate empire and they just leave you with the ashes and go to New Zealand or India
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Feb 15, 2017 19:05
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:There's an important fallacy in this call for guaranteed income Because they need people to buy their widgets otherwise they have no money coming in either. But yeah I don't think it works if people's only income is just the guaranteed state income... it'd be tricky for sure.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:09
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so is this thread about full employment and automation or trump getting hosed now?
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Feb 15, 2017 19:10
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If Trump really wants domestic manufacturing to boom again he should just start a massive war that requires it. That's probably the only realistic way it's going to happen.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:10
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Moridin920 posted:Because they need people to buy their widgets otherwise they have no money coming in either. There's a whole world of markets, we only have a market because we have money, once we have no money, there is no market here
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Feb 15, 2017 19:11
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:There's a whole world of markets, we only have a market because we have money, once we have no money, there is no market here Why would we have no money? We'd still have dollars.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:12
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Blue Star posted:I agree that Trump is poo poo, but i think the threat of automation is a bit overstated. There's still a lot that robots and AIs cant do. Even small children are smarter than the best robots. And a lot of jobs require things like manual dexterity, moving about in hectic chaotic environments, using common sense, and so on. But I wanna rage against simple, plainly evil concepts! Nazis and Automation! 
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Basically the way it works is gov't injects massive amounts of cash into the economy which then gets taken out again via taxation at the top end. You can't do 1:1 obv because then there is no profit for the companies and you can't give them too much profit that way or you create too much inflation. There is somewhere in the middle though, maybe. Someone just needs to try it. e: the only real difference between that and what we have now is that instead of companies having a labor budget, that money just goes direct to the state via taxes and is then redistributed to people. You'd have to subsidize their automation somewhat to make that attractive though bc there's probably a lot of capital investment and if they aren't going to end up saving labor costs (bc you're taking those for the guaranteed income) they won't want to invest in it. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Feb 15, 2017 19:13
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Moridin920 posted:Why would we have no money? We'd still have dollars. Why would it have any value with nothing behind it? They can just say gently caress it and come up with the UniCoin or something
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Why would it have any value with nothing behind it? They can just say gently caress it and come up with the UniCoin or something Fiat currency has value because the state demands taxes be paid in it. You can have your UniCoin but when Uncle Sam wants to be paid in dollars you still have to convert it back to make the payment.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:14
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Moridin920 posted:Fiat currency has value because the state demands taxes be paid in it. Everyone keeps assuming America will be base of operations for the corporate super state, when they can easily just move anywhere
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Feb 15, 2017 19:16
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Everyone keeps assuming America will be base of operations for the corporate super state, when they can easily just move anywhere Why would they just abandon a profitable market because they may not be making quite as much profit as before (I dunno that their margins would necessarily have to be decreased that much though, assuming in the future you could replace their labor with robots). Like just make the robots state owned and make companies pay a "wage" to the robot which then just goes to a central fund and is redistributed as GDI. The company's balance sheet looks exactly the same and they have their automated labor force. As automation gets better, jobs are lost but your GDI grows as they get more robots.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:17
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Moridin920 posted:Why would they just abandon a profitable market? Because one day, it won't be worth poo poo if the dollar isn't worth poo poo. There's billions of other people that would be happy to buy goods
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Feb 15, 2017 19:18
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:Because one day, it won't be worth poo poo if the dollar isn't worth poo poo. There's billions of other people that would be happy to buy goods I already told you there's no reason to assume the dollar's value is just going to be poo poo and you're not giving me anything other than 'because it will be because they can just leave because the dollar will suck.' quote:Like just make the robots state owned and make companies pay a "wage" to the robot which then just goes to a central fund and is redistributed as GDI. The company's balance sheet looks exactly the same and they have their automated labor force. As automation gets better, jobs are lost but your GDI grows as they get more robots. Like take this rudimentary plan. Why would the dollar become worthless here?
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Feb 15, 2017 19:19
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Moridin920 posted:I already told you there's no reason to assume the dollar's value is just going to be poo poo and you're not giving me anything other than 'because it will be because they can just leave because the dollar will suck.' That means we have to have factories here! Trump!
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Feb 15, 2017 19:20
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What is the intrinsic global 'value' of a dollar anyway? It's worth is only measured relative to other currencies. Nothing is just valuable on its own.Spunky Psycho Ho posted:That means we have to have factories here! Trump! Nothing wrong with domestic production.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:21
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Mirthless posted:The guy who handles scheduling and approves timecards for a delivery company has some pretty serious opinions on extremely complicated economic concepts He does A MILLION THINGS AT ONCE he just told you. Duh.
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Ofc it won't happen in the USA because the state/people owning the means of production (the robots) like that is s-s-s-s-socialist!!! At least it won't happen here first.
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Moridin920 posted:Ofc it won't happen in the USA because the state/people owning the means of production (the robots) like that is s-s-s-s-socialist!!! At least it won't happen here first. Ok, we need the factories here first before they can be nationalized. We take this one step at a time.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:26
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:It's also routing, problem solving, interactions with clients, training new staff. It's a job all right. Should I be ashamed to work? loving LMBO "I am a customer service ENGINEER!"
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Feb 15, 2017 19:35
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Spunky Psycho Ho posted:There's an important fallacy in this call for guaranteed income yup that movie elysium was prophetic
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Feb 15, 2017 19:37
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Whats all this job shaming about?
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Feb 15, 2017 19:38
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You're no genius like Doctor Ben Carson, I'll say that.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:39
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I really love when posters try to make a point by completely belittling someone's profession, definitely makes them look like the good guy.
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a bone to pick posted:I really love when posters try to make a point by completely belittling someone's profession, definitely makes them look like the good guy.
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Toadvine posted:Thread ruined.
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Feb 15, 2017 19:40
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Lol who cares about looking like the good guy anymore?
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a bone to pick posted:I really love when posters try to make a point by completely belittling someone's profession, definitely makes them look like the good guy. Oh look the SCHOOL BUS DRIVER wants to tell me about "good guy."
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donald trump cyka
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