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Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Oberleutnant posted:

Blue Labour is Tory Labour.

And Tory as UKIP Labour at that. Jedit's First Law of Socioanthropics applies: the likelihood that any given individual or group is racist rises directly with the surface area of all national flags they own and/or display.

E: 1983 - famous Blue Labour politician Margaret Thatcher is reelected.

Jedit fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Feb 15, 2017

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Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Oberleutnant posted:

Blue Labour is Tory Labour.
I always assumed that would be on the economic side, pricks that aren't inbred enough to get anywhere in the Tory machine shouting 'Labour is about workers, not shirkers' while at least paying lip service to inclusionary social ideals and generally steering clear of the whole 'traditional Britain' lark that's more UKIP/English Democrats and the more rural Tories.

I guess there's already a party for people who are economic conservatives and socially liberal though, they just don't have many seats.

HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:
Hate crimes rise by up to 100 per cent across England and Wales, figures reveal

quote:

Below are the number of hate crime offences recorded by police forces in England and Wales from July to September 2016.

They are ranked according to the size of the change compared with April to June last year, which is the figure shown in brackets.

An asterisk denotes that it was the highest quarterly figure since comparable records began in April 2012.

I won't post the full list but here's the top and bottom five:

Dorset 104* (up 100%)
Nottinghamshire 189* (up 75%)
North Yorkshire 64* (up 68%)
West Mercia 247* (up 64%)
Devon and Cornwall 220* (up 63%)
...
Northamptonshire 79 (up 4%)
South Yorkshire 225 (down 1%)
Gloucestershire 55 (down 4%)
Surrey 137 (down 7%)
City of London 25 (down 7%)

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


The fact that one of the bottom 5 is still an increase says it all really.

Zephro
Nov 23, 2000

I suppose I could part with one and still be feared...
This is the best primer on how Article 50 works and what might happen, whether we can reverse it, whether May might really walk away, how much hardball the EU might play, and so on, and y'all should read it because at least it will help to explain the roach-infested wasteland that will be this country by 2020

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-article-50-in-five-minutes

For eg:

quote:

Yeah, I get the point. The talks collapsing would be bad. But wouldn't we at least be able to fall back onto the WTO?

Eventually, but not during Article 50. The WTO has things called schedules, which lay out your trading relationship with other countries. Britain's is currently under the EU umbrella and needs to be extracted. That's a really complex process, especially on something called 'tariff rate quotas'. If any country exporting to the UK and the EU feels it has been hard done by, it can trigger a trade dispute at the WTO. And that includes the EU itself. Britain needs to do lots of careful diplomatic work to get them to agree to our schedules before we rely on the WTO system, or else those opening days of border checks will also involve dozens of trade disputes. Most experts believe this will take at least two years and probably considerably longer. Put simply: there is no emergency exit from Article 50. We need these talks to work.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
Something terrible has happened to Bozza...

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

JFairfax posted:

Something terrible has happened to Bozza...



It just occured to me that you could put any logo in the world in the middle of that flag and make it work.

Pantsuit
Oct 28, 2013

JFairfax posted:

Something terrible has happened to Bozza...



Lol this is from a fashion brand/Facebook clothes selling group called Wavey Garms. I thought appropriating Nazi iconography for attention was considered boring and cliched after punk but I guess not...

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


Zephro posted:

This is the best primer on how Article 50 works and what might happen, whether we can reverse it, whether May might really walk away, how much hardball the EU might play, and so on, and y'all should read it because at least it will help to explain the roach-infested wasteland that will be this country by 2020

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/02/15/everything-you-need-to-know-about-article-50-in-five-minutes

For eg:

Let's check those comments then:

quote:

Usual remoaner tosh.

Deals, if necessary, can come after we've left and are free. The sooner we are out the better.

We're hosed, aren't we. We have to replace every moving part in a ten thousand piece machine all at once, have to agree with the machine's current owner what to replace each part with, have to hope that all the new pieces work and can't miss a beat on any of them.

There is no way this is going to work. We are completely hosed.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Tbh I quite like the idea of network rail being a paramilitary maintenance organization. Driving around in pickups closing rail lines for unilateral engineering work, all in the hope of one day, eventually, getting the trains running on time.

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

HJB posted:

Hate crimes rise by up to 100 per cent across England and Wales, figures reveal


I won't post the full list but here's the top and bottom five:

Dorset 104* (up 100%)
Nottinghamshire 189* (up 75%)
North Yorkshire 64* (up 68%)
West Mercia 247* (up 64%)
Devon and Cornwall 220* (up 63%)
...
Northamptonshire 79 (up 4%)
South Yorkshire 225 (down 1%)
Gloucestershire 55 (down 4%)
Surrey 137 (down 7%)
City of London 25 (down 7%)

Good old Surrey 😇

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

OwlFancier posted:

It just occured to me that you could put any logo in the world in the middle of that flag and make it work.
It's because so many (poo poo) people have, upon being told they can't display the swastika, or for other reasons.

The Odin symbol and Wolfsangel for neo-nazis, the triskelion/triple 7 for the AWB etc. etc.

Going too complex ruins it though, it needs to be a stark, bold, simple symbol.

I like the iron cross :v:

Taear
Nov 26, 2004

Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

We're hosed, aren't we. We have to replace every moving part in a ten thousand piece machine all at once, have to agree with the machine's current owner what to replace each part with, have to hope that all the new pieces work and can't miss a beat on any of them.

There is no way this is going to work. We are completely hosed.

Like I've said twice now, nobody is willing to listen to anything that doesn't line up with what they already think. Hypernormalisation has happened and we're all hosed because the right wing won.

Sloth Life
Nov 15, 2014

Built for comfort and speed!
Fallen Rib

mehall posted:

The fact that one of the bottom 5 is still an increase says it all really.

I'm surprised Northamptonshire is not up by more tbqh. The whole industrial dying county thing.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

fridge corn posted:

Good old Surrey 😇

They already got rid of all the brown people anyway. Can't have hate crimes without a target!

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

MikeCrotch posted:

They already got rid of all the brown people anyway. Can't have hate crimes without a target!

I was gonna say, social homogeneity does make hate crimes harder but I don't think Surrey is achieving it in the way I would like.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38971675

TL;DR: steel workers accept cut in pensions to keep jobs.

This is how it starts folks, I've seen this. I've seen this loving same thing before. This is the loving beginning, trust me.

Next up: labor "flexibilization" (i.e. "I can fire you whenever the gently caress I want, no severance"). It will come, and would you believe there's more steps? It's a train of misery and pain.

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Pochoclo posted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38971675

TL;DR: steel workers accept cut in pensions to keep jobs.

This is how it starts folks, I've seen this. I've seen this loving same thing before. This is the loving beginning, trust me.

Next up: labor "flexibilization" (i.e. "I can fire you whenever the gently caress I want, no severance"). It will come, and would you believe there's more steps? It's a train of misery and pain.

That already happened under the coalition for the first two years of employment, unless it's specifically stated in your contract otherwise (and even then things like disciplinary provisions etc. don't count, it has to be this specific magic phrase - so exactly like right-to-work in the US for the first two years). Given that short contracts are becoming increasingly common this is more worrying than it might seem.

Nobody really cares. Of course there were other changes even worse for workers, like the work tribunal fee being introduced. But it reduced spurious charges against employers! (which have been exceedingly rare) Clearly the 80% drop in cases is exactly what this country needs.

Not to mention zero-hour contracts and workfare, another wonderful invention. It would probably be quite hard to push employment rights even further, at least compared to how things were pre-2010. Can't actually see them going for full American-style right to work, particularly now that they have more working class voters under May than they did under Cameron. Not even most of the US is willing to put up with that.

At a guess they might go against union rights instead, those still exist to some extent.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Feb 15, 2017

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/831890773511647232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Comrade Cheggorsky
Aug 20, 2011


just caught up with the thread and loving lol at the people thinking that Labour losing byelections is fine

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

Make that girl the leader of the Labour party, thanks.

At last someone Theresa May is scared of.

dex_sda
Oct 11, 2012


OwlFancier posted:

It just occured to me that you could put any logo in the world in the middle of that flag and make it work.

Wonder how dickbutt would work

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Pochoclo posted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-38971675

TL;DR: steel workers accept cut in pensions to keep jobs.

This is how it starts folks, I've seen this. I've seen this loving same thing before. This is the loving beginning, trust me.

Next up: labor "flexibilization" (i.e. "I can fire you whenever the gently caress I want, no severance"). It will come, and would you believe there's more steps? It's a train of misery and pain.

it's a sunset industry regardless, mainly because the price of energy is too high in the UK

anyway if the UK govt could not be moved to bail it out when it was 1) considerably more socialist in its outlook, 2) considerably more involved in its ownership, and 3) had hundreds of thousands of relatively poorly-paid generational workers, not thousands of semi-skilled-to-skilled workers earning well over median wage, well, really, why would anyone expect it to be saved now

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

ronya posted:

it's a sunset industry regardless, mainly because the price of energy is too high in the UK

If only there was some national entity that could do something to regulate and do something to improve the power situation in the country

Oh well, we can all dream I guess

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Hmm yes, some kind of international union with plans to increase proliferation of renewable power sources, nuclear research programs, and the like. Truly that would be a cool thing.

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

The Malaysian authorities have released an image of Kim Jong-nam's assassin by the way



:lol:

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Is the supernatural glow also part of their appearance?

Because I would be afraid of hipster assassins from beyond the grave.

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
sure. I vote that the hydroelectric dams be built over your town, whilst the electricity powers the industry in mine.

(remember capel celyn!)

after decades of tumult, britain finds nominally independent statutory regulators to be a necessity for civil-social peace. solve that first, then propose nationalisation again.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

OwlFancier posted:

hipster assassins from beyond the grave.

Just gonna steal this for a grindhouse film title.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

ronya posted:

sure. I vote that the hydroelectric dams be built over your town, whilst the electricity powers the industry in mine.

(remember capel celyn!)

after decades of tumult, britain finds nominally independent statutory regulators to be a necessity for civil-social peace. solve that first, then propose nationalisation again.

I'm pretty sure you couldn't fit a hydroelectic dam on the middle of the river Trent. There is a weir at one point though...

fridge corn
Apr 2, 2003

NO MERCY, ONLY PAIN :black101:

MikeCrotch posted:

They already got rid of all the brown people anyway. Can't have hate crimes without a target!

We've still got plenty of Poles here

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Guavanaut posted:

It's funny how switching to palm oil would have appeased most of those groups, when palm oil production kills far more animals than the half a cow needed for the entire UK banknote supply.

They should introduce a poly £1 note next, and enter into full competition with the Mint's new lovely coin.

Unrelated, what is this poo poo?


Giant flags and general appeals to 'traditionalism' make me immediately think bad things. Is this their brave new "Labour should be about our idealized conception of the traditional working Englishman, and not all this hippy 'queers and Asians have rights' stuff" pitch?

Oh hello
If I was still in Nottingham Id check this out.

While dressed up as a soviet premier of course.

Jrbg
May 20, 2014

ronya posted:


(remember capel celyn!)


I still find it weird that every time I turn on the tap I hear the ghost of a small Welsh child saying exactly these words

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Guavanaut posted:

It's funny how switching to palm oil would have appeased most of those groups, when palm oil production kills far more animals than the half a cow needed for the entire UK banknote supply.

They should introduce a poly £1 note next, and enter into full competition with the Mint's new lovely coin.

Unrelated, what is this poo poo?


Giant flags and general appeals to 'traditionalism' make me immediately think bad things. Is this their brave new "Labour should be about our idealized conception of the traditional working Englishman, and not all this hippy 'queers and Asians have rights' stuff" pitch?

Giant flags is something Nottingham does every year around St. George's Day, it's sickening.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
why do you all hate the Tifosi so

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

Not So Fast posted:

Giant flags is something Nottingham does every year around St. George's Day, it's sickening.

You would lose your mind if you went to most other countries that fly flags every where all year round.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich

Jippa posted:

You would lose your mind if you went to most other countries that fly flags every where all year round.

I know Brazil and USA does, but where else?

I didn't see that many in China

e: NI loves their flegs I suppose

WeAreTheRomans fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Feb 15, 2017

winegums
Dec 21, 2012


So that wee boy that died at Topshop, details are slowly being released and it looks like it had something to do with a display table not being bolted down. It's tragic and awful that a child died in an utterly preventable way. I wonder if this will cause people to think twice before saying health and safety has gone mad then I remember the tragic Truth :smith:

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

WeAreTheRomans posted:

I know Brazil and USA does, but where else?

I didn't see that many in China

e: NI loves their flegs I suppose

Brazil and the USA are kinda hosed up

Making kids swear allegiance to a flag every day gives me bad vibes

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Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

WeAreTheRomans posted:

I know Brazil and USA does, but where else?

I didn't see that many in China

e: NI loves their flegs I suppose

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