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What do kids sing in morning assembly in the UK now? Is it still Have You Heard the Raindrops and We Plough the Fields and Scatter and such? I guess milquetoast cafeteria Christianity is better than pledging your heart and soul to a fancy patterned tablecloth on a pole.
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Feb 15, 2017 21:18
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America is a bit strange, they have the pledge of allegiance but they also sing the national anthem before every sporting event, like every single sporting event. Which is V. odd.
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Feb 15, 2017 21:20
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I'm literally playing wolfenstein 2008 right now and just thought "this game is going a bit overboard with the nazi flags" and apparently it's actually being quite conservative.
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Feb 15, 2017 21:25
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OwlFancier posted:I'm literally playing wolfenstein 2008 right now and just thought "this game is going a bit overboard with the nazi flags" and apparently it's actually being quite conservative. That is also a photograph of "Hitler Weather".
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Feb 15, 2017 21:30
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OwlFancier posted:I'm literally playing wolfenstein 2008 right now and just thought "this game is going a bit overboard with the nazi flags" and apparently it's actually being quite conservative. Nazi Germany wasn't really like that, it's more that most modern depictions of the nazis use as reference their own propaganda.
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Feb 15, 2017 21:33
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JFairfax posted:America is a bit strange, they have the pledge of allegiance but they also sing the national anthem before every sporting event, like every single sporting event. Which is V. odd. although they will keep vending beers, hotdogs and snacks through the anthem
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Feb 15, 2017 21:52
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Fangz posted:Nazi Germany wasn't really like that, it's more that most modern depictions of the nazis use as reference their own propaganda. Though facism loves itself some constant self-fellation so nazi germany probably had more flags than average for the time. Alternatively: One of those angry hitler video edits where he rants about ordering only 100 flags to be made for Berlin when they actually made 10,00 due to a clerical error and now he complains about how ridiculous the country will look with all these flags. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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I know this is the ukmt, but I think there's a middleground between "loves their flag/country" and "actually hitler"
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Feb 15, 2017 22:35
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Flags are a class C drug.
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Namtab posted:I know this is the ukmt, but I think there's a middleground between "loves their flag/country" and "actually hitler" patriotism is a disease
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Feb 15, 2017 22:52
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JFairfax posted:America is a bit strange, they have the pledge of allegiance but they also sing the national anthem before every sporting event, like every single sporting event. Which is V. odd. I remember when British cinemas played the national anthem after the main feature. (also remember main features)
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Feb 15, 2017 22:55
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Blue Labour are basically Strasserites, aren't they?
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Feb 15, 2017 22:58
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Namtab posted:I know this is the ukmt, but I think there's a middleground between "loves their flag/country" and "actually hitler" If you 'love our flag' in this country I am at the very least going to give you the squinty eye and keep a look out for BNP literature. This is Europe not America.
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Feb 15, 2017 23:06
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 Buhtcher's eapron.
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Never in my entire life has anyone ever given me one good loving reason why you should love your country. Loving your flag is such a ridiculous loving concept that I'm not even going to engage it - the fact that human beings are capable of such a sentiment is a terrible thing all in itself. But seriously, love your country? Basically it's loving a government, because people come and go - humans are migratory in nature, history is full of invasions and counter-invasions. Countries amount to nothing but government apparatus, and seriously, you love that poo poo? Are you loving stupid? Also the world has become a global arena for corporations (incarnations of collective greed) in case you didn't notice, making the concept even more irrelevant.
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Feb 15, 2017 23:10
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Namtab posted:I know this is the ukmt, but I think there's a middleground between "loves their flag/country" and "actually hitler" Turns out Hitler is the middle ground.
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Feb 15, 2017 23:12
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Time for some Pratchett quotes: "It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was Us, then what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things." The Us and Them is the national unit, successfully created by the bourgeois after centuries of oppression and centralisation. Bonus quote for British education: “Sergeant Colon had had a broad education. He’d been to the School of My Dad Always Said, the College of It Stands to Reason, and was now a postgraduate student at the University of What Some Bloke In the Pub Told Me.”
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Feb 15, 2017 23:17
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Pochoclo posted:Never in my entire life has anyone ever given me one good loving reason why you should love your country. Loving your flag is such a ridiculous loving concept that I'm not even going to engage it - the fact that human beings are capable of such a sentiment is a terrible thing all in itself. But seriously, love your country? Basically it's loving a government, because people come and go - humans are migratory in nature, history is full of invasions and counter-invasions. Countries amount to nothing but government apparatus, and seriously, you love that poo poo? Are you loving stupid? It's an in-group/out-group thing
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namesake posted:Bonus quote for British education: Pretty consistent with the standard "uneducated Brexiteer" counter of "I have a degree from the University of Life".
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Feb 15, 2017 23:22
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baka kaba posted:It's an in-group/out-group thing I know what it is - I know it's misplaced tribalism, the same kind of poo poo that has had us as a species murdering each other since our inception. Us and them, otherizing, etc. But seriously, a country? You can love your community, feel a deep link with it, and otherize whoever is outside it, but you don't even belong to your country - NO ONE belongs to a country because it's not a place, it's not a people, it's just some administrative entity. No one is entitled to own a place - you don't own England because you're not English because no one loving is - we've muddled the lines too much for that and even if that wasn't the case, who the gently caress cares? It's unethical anyway. Nations are unethical by definition.
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Feb 15, 2017 23:24
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Guavanaut posted:Unrelated, what is this poo poo? On this vague note, has anyone posted McDonnell's idea about having different immigration policies in different geographical areas yet? So racist areas could keep the immigrants out, while London and Brighton would still welcome them in. winegums posted:So that wee boy that died at Topshop, details are slowly being released and it looks like it had something to do with a display table not being bolted down. It's tragic and awful that a child died in an utterly preventable way. I wonder if this will cause people to think twice before saying health and safety has gone mad then I remember the tragic Truth Apparently it might have been something like this:  I'll reserve judgement on whether health and safety has gone mad until it's clear what the outcome is. I don't think mandating that every display table (or presumably any other item of furniture that members of the public are exposed to) should be bolted to the floor would be a particularly sensible or practical response though.
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winegums posted:So that wee boy that died at Topshop, details are slowly being released and it looks like it had something to do with a display table not being bolted down. It's tragic and awful that a child died in an utterly preventable way. I wonder if this will cause people to think twice before saying health and safety has gone mad then I remember the tragic Truth My company have some areas in various House of Fraser stores and we had some freestanding hanging rails that we thought were absolutely fine, yet turned out if a 11 year old treated them like monkey bars would break. I know this because this is exactly what a kid did. You can plan for most things, but sometimes things really are an accident. Looking at that table, there would be very little reason for anyone to think that's going to tip over and fall onto someone so they would never have thought it would need bolting to the floor. I'm going to wait until all the details are released, because I genuinely don't think a kid could pull that over themselves.
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Feb 15, 2017 23:27
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Pochoclo posted:Never in my entire life has anyone ever given me one good loving reason why you should love your country. The downs are pretty nice.
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Pochoclo posted:Never in my entire life has anyone ever given me one good loving reason why you should love your country. Loving your flag is such a ridiculous loving concept that I'm not even going to engage it - the fact that human beings are capable of such a sentiment is a terrible thing all in itself. But seriously, love your country? Basically it's loving a government, because people come and go - humans are migratory in nature, history is full of invasions and counter-invasions. Countries amount to nothing but government apparatus, and seriously, you love that poo poo? Are you loving stupid? I couldn't list you offhand a flag that I loved, but the Marshall Islands flag has a cool design. Same goes for countries, people can love their country as an offhand representation of its internal culture, stereotyped or otherwise, or the values it professes. Same way you can love your god or your extended family or your ethnic background, all of which are social constructs. And yeah, with the same hierarchical problems. A working class person who values their extended family as a support structure when the state fails is different to the royals valuing their extended family. A tribal group banding together to resist colonial oppression is different to one who just really hates other races. And in the same vein, that last point about the world becoming dominated by global capitalism, that's most likely to blame for resurgent nationalism. There's all sorts of bad things about that, especially when they kick down, but global capitalism shoulders a big part of the blame for birthing it. We could aim to be like the Buddha, and transcend the lies of race and nation, state and faith, symbols and patterns, and eventually that of self, until suffering is but a memory, but most people don't and aren't and to expect them to is about as realistic as expecting them to grow wings.
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Prince John posted:On this vague note, has anyone posted McDonnell's idea about having different immigration policies in different geographical areas yet? So racist areas could keep the immigrants out, while London and Brighton would still welcome them in. I think this idea is not only impractical, but will embolden anti-immigrant groups further and empower them when they can use NIMBYism to further their goals as has so successfully been done by people with an interest in keeping the house price bubble inflated.
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RBS are going to get turbo hosed http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38984130
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serious gaylord posted:RBS are going to get turbo hosed Wait, you think banks receive negative consequences for criminal behaviour? Have you paid attention at all in the last
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Pochoclo posted:Never in my entire life has anyone ever given me one good loving reason why you should love your country. Loving your flag is such a ridiculous loving concept that I'm not even going to engage it - the fact that human beings are capable of such a sentiment is a terrible thing all in itself. But seriously, love your country? Basically it's loving a government, because people come and go - humans are migratory in nature, history is full of invasions and counter-invasions. Countries amount to nothing but government apparatus, and seriously, you love that poo poo? Are you loving stupid? The same reason people love their family and friends more than strangers. It's not wrong for someone to be more proud of a friend or family member that achieves something than of a stranger, and we wouldn't consider it to be morally wrong for someone to save the life of a friend or family member instead of a stranger if they were somehow only able to save one of the two. It's just part of being a human being. hakimashou fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 01:12
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hakimashou posted:The same reason people love their family and friends more than strangers.
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Miftan posted:I'd hate my family if they kept doing lovely things to me like voting in tories. Disagreeing about politics is a pretty lousy reason to hate your family. You only get one family, there are millions of people out there you can agree about politics with. I have an aunt who is totally in the bag for trump. I don't talk about politics with her but I only have the one aunt left and there are 65,000,000 other people who also voted for Hillary.
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hakimashou posted:Disagreeing about politics is a pretty lousy reason to hate your family. You only get one family, there are millions of people out there you can agree about politics with. Actually if your relatives are poo poo you owe them nothing. Families are people who love each other, if they can't manage that then gently caress them.
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spectralent posted:Actually if your relatives are poo poo you owe them nothing. Families are people who love each other, if they can't manage that then gently caress them. There's more to life than agreeing about everything though.
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Feb 16, 2017 01:51
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hakimashou posted:Disagreeing about politics is a pretty lousy reason to hate your family. You only get one family, there are millions of people out there you can agree about politics with. Spoken like someone whose only socialisation is with their family.
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Tesseraction posted:Spoken like someone whose only socialisation is with their family. It might be interesting to see the results of a survey about political obsession / weird alternative politics and healthy family relationships.
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Feb 16, 2017 01:53
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hakimashou posted:There's more to life than agreeing about everything though. Things I disagree with my grandpops about : How it's best to bury people, which planes look cool. Things we agree on: Basic, fundamental rights. If your family don't respect people's rights to exist your family has a problem and you're better off without them, hth
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I mean, this is ultimately the weird apathy view that politics is just some kind of shouting-based sports event that you can just ignore, when actually politics matters and if you have toxic political opinions it's a wee bit more serious than liking The Cubs or whoever the gently caress does sports in America. If you support fascists gently caress no that person is not a loving, safe person.
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hakimashou posted:It might be interesting to see the results of a survey about political obsession / weird alternative politics and healthy family relationships. It's a little telling here that instead of denying a lack of socialisation you try and put a "tu quoque" on it.
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spectralent posted:Things I disagree with my grandpops about : How it's best to bury people, which planes look cool. Is that how it works in britain? The majority of brits, the tories and brexiteers and the people fine with what they do, are all about 'people not having a right to exist.' Isn't it possible you've twisted it into something else in your head?
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