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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

Be as sarcastic as you want, your underlying point is unconvincing. There's a big difference between actual Nazis and internet edgelords and I'm not about to start declaring people to be white nationalists based on dumb gag videos.

If 2016 proves anything is that there isn't actually a difference between edgelords and nazis, actually

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Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011


People compliment Two Bulls' artwork a lot but I think it's his confident labelling that wins out in the end.

NoEyedSquareGuy
Mar 16, 2009

Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."

Improbable Lobster posted:

If 2016 proves anything is that there isn't actually a difference between edgelords and nazis, actually

People can be idiots without malicious intent. That's the last thing I'll say on the matter since this is a dumb argument and neither of us can read minds.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Ruzihm posted:

wait didn't pewdiepie pay some dude hold up a sign saying "hitler did nothing wrong signed, an idiot" or something?

Dumb joke but i don't think that's exactly racist. Unless he did something else since then?

The current controversy is that he paid some guys to hold up a sign that said "Death to the Jews" and then when his handler at Disney bothered to check his videos they noticed that he had also paid someone to dress up like Jesus and say that Hitler did nothing wrong and that the Jews deserved the holocaust. Then when the account for the Jesus guy at Fiverr got banned for that he made a "joke" that the Jews (Fiverr is based in Isreal) had yet again found another way to screw over Jesus. Along with a bunch of other incidents of him "jokingly" saying that Jews should be killed and that Hitler did nothing wrong.

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


Improbable Lobster posted:

The current controversy is that he paid some guys to hold up a sign that said "Death to the Jews" and then when his handler at Disney bothered to check his videos they noticed that he had also paid someone to dress up like Jesus and say that Hitler did nothing wrong and that the Jews deserved the holocaust. Then when the account for the Jesus guy at Fiverr got banned for that he made a "joke" that the Jews (Fiverr is based in Isreal) had yet again found another way to screw over Jesus. Along with a bunch of other incidents of him "jokingly" saying that Jews should be killed and that Hitler did nothing wrong.

:yikes:

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

People can be idiots without malicious intent. That's the last thing I'll say on the matter since this is a dumb argument and neither of us can read minds.

If you're unwilling to make a declaration about someone without 100% knowing the intent behind their actions then you can literally never say anything about anyone ever.

I've literally heard the exact same kind of jokes from people who short afterwards go on to, say, question how many people really died during the holocaust or say that blacks are degenerates. This isn't some out of the blue accusation without merit, this is a pattern of racism that is consistent with every racist, privileged, straight white guy that I've ever interacted with.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

:australia:

David Rowe:



David Pope:


The government is trying to link funding the National Disability Insurance Scheme with other welfare cuts, the crossbench in the Senate is currently going "seriously? try again".

Bill Leak:

Plan Z
May 6, 2012

tyblazitar posted:

I agree with some of the stuff you're saying here, but not the language barrier thing. Being Swedish is not an impediment to knowing what rape and antisemitism is, especially considering lots of English native speakers use the same kind of "humor".

But yeah, making some dick who is edgy on the internet to entertain literal children up to be an actual nazi is pretty far-fetched. Question the effect of his words all you like, but you'll need a lot stronger proof before ascribing that kind of intent to them.

I just want to make sure people know I'm not saying him being Swedish excuses it. I'm saying if, and this is purely if this is the situation he, personally, doesn't understand exactly what he is saying vis a vis cultural (not just linguistic) barriers that it could be a reason (not an excuse, which is an important distinction) for both why he falls back on that stuff and claims to not understand why people are so offended at his words and why he does it in front of an audience of mostly young men. He may think it is offensive shock humor, but may not understand why "HOLY poo poo WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS YOU ARE AN ADULT.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

People can be idiots without malicious intent. That's the last thing I'll say on the matter since this is a dumb argument and neither of us can read minds.
Poe's law + death of the author = it doesn't matter whether he's genuinely racist or not.

Apple Pie Hubbub
Feb 14, 2012

Take that, you greedy jerk!

Cartoonist Said He Drew DeVos In Iconic Civil Rights Painting To Open A Dialogue

quote:

"The drawing depicts a woman passively walking while being protected from angry protesters," [Glenn McCoy] said in the statement. "Isn't that what went down the other day when Devos visited a school to do her job? You may disagree with her on issues but I didn't see any hate coming from her. I did, however see hate going in the other direction which is what made me think of the Rockwell image." [...]

"The level of toxicity in today's political climate has reached ridiculous levels," his statement concluded. "I regret if anyone was offended by my choice of metaphors but my intention was to focus on the protesters being hateful and to open up a dialogue on this point."

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Plan Z posted:

I just want to make sure people know I'm not saying him being Swedish excuses it. I'm saying if, and this is purely if this is the situation he, personally, doesn't understand exactly what he is saying vis a vis cultural (not just linguistic) barriers that it could be a reason (not an excuse, which is an important distinction) for both why he falls back on that stuff and claims to not understand why people are so offended at his words and why he does it in front of an audience of mostly young men. He may think it is offensive shock humor, but may not understand why "HOLY poo poo WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS YOU ARE AN ADULT.

He's been doing this for 7 years

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

Cat Mattress posted:

Poe's law + death of the author = it doesn't matter whether he's genuinely racist or not.

Yeah it's like the dude who will smoke weed or some poo poo with black people but calls them slurs to their face regardless.

I don't care if he's literally goose stepping or not he's part of the loving problem and gently caress him to hell.

duz
Jul 11, 2005

Come on Ilhan, lets go bag us a shitpost


Ironic racism is still racism.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Beautiful!

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

A HUNGRY MOUTH posted:

Shouting a meme and calling it humor is a disease.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

McCoy is so loving goddamn stupid

Starving Wolf
Apr 2, 2010

MUCH LATER
Yams Fan

Duke Igthorn posted:

I'm going to repost this so people who have you on ignore can see it too

What sort of monster would have Tei on ignore.

Asshat McCoy posted:

The level of toxicity in today's political climate has reached ridiculous levels

Yeah, it really has. Thanks for that, btw.

Hihohe
Oct 4, 2008

Fuck you and the sun you live under



"The political climate is toxic right now, here, let me take a big poo poo in it to open a dialogue"

Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Improbable Lobster posted:

McCoy is so loving goddamn stupid
That's pretty much what I expected from him. The halfassed "Sorry if you're offended" and again trying to equate conservatism with some kind of protected class.

You don't think he was going to show remorse or regret, did you? This is the guy who, when told not to draw people with purple lips, just doubled down.

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames
You can argue "HE DOESN'T REALLY THINK IT!" as much as you want but when you make countless videos screaming "friend of the family! OH MAN THAT JEW RAPED ME!" and other poo poo, sorry to say that makes you racist.

Duke Igthorn
Oct 11, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

quote:

“My cartoon was about how, in this day and age, decades beyond the civil rights protests, it’s sad that people are still being denied the right to speak freely or do their jobs or enter public buildings because others disagree with who they are or how they think,”
...

Improbable Lobster posted:

McCoy is so loving goddamn stupid

A HUNGRY MOUTH
Nov 3, 2006

date of birth: 02/05/88
manufacturer: mazda
model/year: 2008 mazda6
sexuality: straight, bi-curious
peircings: pusspuss



Nap Ghost
"I wanted to open a dialogue and allow discussion to occur, so here is my neutral starting point for debate: protestors are hateful, and the problem"


I was tempted to follow that up with "please don't check my post history" but this is much funnier.

D.N. Nation
Feb 1, 2012

quote:

"I regret if anyone was offended by my choice of metaphors but my intention was to focus on the protesters being hateful and to open up a dialogue on this point."

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Pants Donkey posted:

That's pretty much what I expected from him. The halfassed "Sorry if you're offended" and again trying to equate conservatism with some kind of protected class.

You don't think he was going to show remorse or regret, did you? This is the guy who, when told not to draw people with purple lips, just doubled down.

Oh, I didn't expect anything else but it just serves to highlight how much of a dumb motherfucker he is

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames

Seriously though, this is honestly one of the dumbest loving arguments I've ever heard.

Space Cadet Omoly
Jan 15, 2014

~Groovy~



Okay, here's a dialogue for ya: get hosed you willfully ignorant racist hack.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

It's spreading

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https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/ruby-bridges-betsy-devos?bffbmain&ref=bffbmain&utm_term=.ju4R6PbVyj#.uk86Y9pOeo

http://fusion.net/story/386858/glen...eme_top_desktop

https://twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/831608838923100160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames
I'm sorry you were offended of my political cartoon stating that Hitler is as much a victim of the current political correct society as the Jews were in the Holocaust but my point is that ~faaaaaaaaaaaaaaart~

seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
Looks like "those who blocked a school door ended up on the wrong side of history" got spread around as a Republican talking point. McCoy is just following along here:

https://twitter.com/elongreen/status/830117659488428032/photo/1

Hey guys did you know Robert Byrd was in the KKK??

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

Hitler was a socialist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tei
Feb 19, 2011

I wonder how many people lives will be destroyed by DeVos policies. These childrens. And when they grown to be adults, their childrens. A curse that will spam many generations.

DeVos is a sociopath. Blocking her from entering a school is defending childrens from a evil adult. And last time I checked, is the only humane thing to do.

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames
Reminder that McCoy would have thrown rocks at Ruby Bridges had he been there.

That's the real awful part of it. McCoy probably thinks that Desegregation is one of the worst things ever. Had he been at this age back then he'd be throwing rocks at her, taking part in riots and attacks against Freedom Riders and spitting on people at sit-ins.

OldTennisCourt fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Feb 16, 2017

A HUNGRY MOUTH
Nov 3, 2006

date of birth: 02/05/88
manufacturer: mazda
model/year: 2008 mazda6
sexuality: straight, bi-curious
peircings: pusspuss



Nap Ghost

OldTennisCourt posted:

Seriously though, this is honestly one of the dumbest loving arguments I've ever heard.

*looks up from spray-painting swastika on church to see aghast crowd* um EXCUSE me, but I was MAKING a POINT

Duke Igthorn
Oct 11, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

OldTennisCourt posted:

Seriously though, this is honestly one of the dumbest loving arguments I've ever heard.

"All I'm saying is that judging a person by the content of their character is the exact same as judging a person by the color of their skin."

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

seiferguy posted:

Hey guys did you know Robert Byrd was in the KKK??

The KKK? That organization that is nearly as horrible as the NEA???

oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

A HUNGRY MOUTH posted:

*looks up from spray-painting swastika on church to see aghast crowd* um EXCUSE me, but I was MAKING a POINT

that's uh... [flipping over legal pad pages] that's bansky. or pewdiepie ?? i can't keep these things straight .................

OldTennisCourt
Sep 11, 2011

by VideoGames
Wow, really you're going to scream about this burning cross? Man so much about the Tolerant Left being able to get subtext.

Rebochan
Feb 2, 2006

Take my evolution

seiferguy posted:

Looks like "those who blocked a school door ended up on the wrong side of history" got spread around as a Republican talking point. McCoy is just following along here:

https://twitter.com/elongreen/status/830117659488428032/photo/1



I had a Trumpkin in my network pull that line too. Which is why I wasn't surprised to see this stupid cartoon.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Duke Igthorn posted:

"All I'm saying is that judging a person by the content of their character is the exact same as judging a person by the color of their skin."

So much for the tolerant left...

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Pants Donkey
Nov 13, 2011

Wow, it really DOES work.











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