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Fulchrum posted:You mean the SEIU? And Perez is opposed by Hillary's biggest defender, so if we're playing that game... I don't recall the SEIU ever actively opposing Ellison, just supporting Perez--whereas many other Perez backers are behind him because they fear Ellison will unmoor the party from its ties to Third Way crap.
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Crowsbeak posted:Not aloe at all. It's to bad you can pretend that wasn't racist. But that is neoliberalism. You're better at discrediting that nonsense narrative than I could aver hope to be, thanks.
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Helsing posted:I'm not really clear on what you're trying to say here but not wanting to cede political power to ISDS tribunals seems like a rational and intelligent position for labour unions. again, ISDS tribunals are more an issue for other countries than the United States; we've got one through NAFTA and haven't lost once
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JeffersonClay posted:You're better at discrediting that nonsense narrative than I could aver hope to be, thanks. Hey you're the one blaming minorities for Abuelas lost.
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Condiv posted:the establishment is finally showing its worth cool this is definitely an issue relevant to the race for dnc chair thanks Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Feb 15, 2017 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Hey you're the one blaming minorities for Abuelas lost. Feel free to quote me doing so, I'm sure that won't backfire spectacularly like every other terrible argument you attempt.
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Feb 15, 2017 23:11
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Alter Ego posted:I don't recall the SEIU ever actively opposing Ellison, just supporting Perez--whereas many other Perez backers are behind him because they fear Ellison will unmoor the party from its ties to Third Way crap. Today in Head Narratives
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mcmagic posted:
"But Trump is surrounding himself with Jews! How can he be a white supremacist?"
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Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/831959272741298177?ref_src=tw Did you read it? The resolution says that the show depicted an FBI director as being blackmailed into doing illegal things. The resolution goes on to say that this besmirches Comey because he's clearly demonstrated he doesn't need to be blackmailed to do that. It's a joke and jab at Comey.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:you see NAFTA killed jobs which is why job losses didn't start until GWB's inauguration Pfft, facts. Next you're going to say something like manufacturing jobs are never coming back because it's cheaper* to keep them in China where multi-billion dollar factories and millions of trained workers exist. * until Federal minimum wage laws get repealed. Lightning Lord posted:"But Trump is surrounding himself with Jews! How can he be a white supremacist?" I really want to know what goes through Kushner's mind when he's in a room with Bannon and others. He knows full well that he's working alongside people who 75-80 years ago would've been happily sending him to the gas chamber and if he (and Ivanka) aren't trying to undermine Bannon and co to get their Nazi asses removed from the administration I'd be stunned. Maybe he figures Trump would protect him and his family from Holocaust 2: Alt-Right Boogaloo
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Evil Fluffy posted:I really want to know what goes through Kushner's mind when he's in a room with Bannon and others. He knows full well that he's working alongside people who 75-80 years ago would've been happily sending him to the gas chamber and if he (and Ivanka) aren't trying to undermine Bannon and co to get their Nazi asses removed from the administration I'd be stunned. He thinks "I'm excited for when me and my friends here really get started with killing Palestinians!" Miller is also Jewish btw if you didn't know that.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:Did you read it? The resolution says that the show depicted an FBI director as being blackmailed into doing illegal things. The resolution goes on to say that this besmirches Comey because he's clearly demonstrated he doesn't need to be blackmailed to do that. Ya I did. I'm glad the dnc is hard at work on joke resolutions
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Alter Ego posted:I don't recall the SEIU ever actively opposing Ellison, just supporting Perez--whereas many other Perez backers are behind him because they fear Ellison will unmoor the party from its ties to Third Way crap. Do you have any form or scrap of proof for this, outside of the manifesto you've scrawled on your walls in your own poo poo?
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JeffersonClay posted:
Calling all of the bullshit on this. Maybe if another poll or two that I've actually heard of backs up this data I'll take it seriously but for now I find it incredibly hard to believe that most people would pick Trump over any well known Democrat right now (including the ones I hate like Booker). By the way you really should link the the accompanying story when you post polls like this you know: https://morningconsult.com/2017/02/15/poll-warren-wouldnt-beat-trump-2020-another-democrat/ readingatwork fucked around with this message at 00:55 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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JeffersonClay posted:
This says more about Warren than her politics, I think. She also isn't likely to be running in 2020 for President.
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I like warren a lot more than most democrats so I sure hope it's an outlier. Lightning Knight posted:This says more about Warren than her politics, I think. Why? Warren, to her credit, wears her politics with pride.
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JeffersonClay posted:
I'm the 9% of democrats that would vote for trump
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JeffersonClay posted:I like warren a lot more than most democrats so I sure hope it's an outlier. Because of a combination of, people were mad she didn't endorse Bernie, and "Pochahantas" memes or whatever.
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Sir Tonk posted:I'm the 9% of democrats that would vote for trump Conservative democrats exist and they might prefer trump to an outspoken leftist like warren.
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JeffersonClay posted:Conservative democrats exist and they might prefer trump to an outspoken leftist like warren. I don't think the demographic group of "Democrats who prefer Trump to any Democrat" is large or worth catering to.
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10% of democrats vote republican in presidential elections because I can only assume they, like my mother, are too lazy to switch party identification after having signed up as democrats decades ago. I also assume the GOP has a similar percentage.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think the demographic group of "Democrats who prefer Trump to any Democrat" is large or worth catering to. I don't think JeffersonClay is suggesting they are.
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So apparently the poll asked a poo poo-ton of other questions that don't get analyzed in this story. Here are a few highlights: -55% of people polled had a "Very Favorable" (21%) or "Somewhat Favorable" (34%) view of George W Bush. What!?  -Hoover also won the popularity contest with 38% of people viewing him favorably (12% VF/ 26% SF) and only 22% viewing him unfavorably (15% SU/ 7% VU) 38% of people had no opinion.  -47% of Americans pretended to have some sort of opinion of president Coolidge  -FDR is still incredibly popular with 73% of all people viewing him favorably (36% VF / 37% SF). So I guess I'll hold off on summoning Meteor to wipe out the planet for a bit longer. https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/170202_topline_Politico_v2_AG.pdf EDIT: -3 people surveyed had literally never heard of Barack Obama. readingatwork fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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JeffersonClay posted:
This is somewhat misleading, since Trump just finished a long and expensive presidential campaign while Warren hasn't campaigned for the presidency at all.
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readingatwork posted:So apparently the poll asked a poo poo-ton of other questions that don't get analyzed in this story. Here are a few highlights: Please inform us when you're going to quote a post from a Final Fantasy fansite's guestbook circa 2006, I don't think my heart can take another post like this one without some warning.
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readingatwork posted:So apparently the poll asked a poo poo-ton of other questions that don't get analyzed in this story. Here are a few highlights: This supports a general "the electorate is ignorant and dumb" conclusion, which isn't news. That Bush Jr. is receiving a reputation revival is kind of lovely.
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Lightning Knight posted:I don't think the demographic group of "Democrats who prefer Trump to any Democrat" is large or worth catering to. That 13 point shift tho. Wouldn't the "democratic base won't vote for another generic centrist democrat" narrative lead us to expect exactly the opposite, or at least to mitigate that shift?
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I'm sorry B5 you'll need to speak up. I'm having a hard time hearing you for some reason.
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JeffersonClay posted:
 How does Cory Booker fare in a similar poll? I wouldn't be surprised if every prominent Congressional Democrat underperforms "generic Democrat" given Congress' approval rating is in the toilet and has been for decades.
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Hmmm I wonder how Chuck Schumer would do in this scenario - better stake the future of the party on popularity pissing contests instead of policies that Americans favor overwhelmingly.
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JeffersonClay posted:That 13 point shift tho. Wouldn't the "democratic base won't vote for another generic centrist democrat" narrative lead us to expect exactly the opposite, or at least to mitigate that shift? I feel like using "Generic Democrat" as your baseline is flawed because such a person doesn't actually exist. In reality any given candidate comes with baggage.
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Welp, I'm convinced. Generic Democrat 2020! Seriously, though, do you guys not know that Generic Republican/Democrat always outpolls an actual specific person?
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If there is one thing the Democratic party needs, it's a super-charismatic and popular national candidate they can rally around while the local and state-level races just magically take care of themselves. Worked so loving great last time, didn't it? I mean as for what we stand for... who gives a poo poo amirite fellas?
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DaveWoo posted:Welp, I'm convinced. Generic Democrat 2020! Actually I didn't. Thank you for the information.
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DaveWoo posted:Seriously, though, do you guys not know that Generic Republican/Democrat always outpolls an actual specific person? It was blowing my mind that people had forgotten this and it wasn't being brought up.
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paranoid randroid posted:build a mighty suit of armor from their bones, imo. This but metaphorically.
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