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grack posted:Habs paying Julien $5M a year for the next 5 years. Aphrodite posted:For that kind of money he better be on the second pairing. The Habs and Leafs (among a few other teams) are distinct in that they make sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much money they don't have to give a poo poo and can quite happily afford to pay a coach 10mil a season if they want to. In Australia, the AFL has a hard salary cap on players and a soft salary cap on "football spending", that might be a solution that stops it from getting out of hand, but it's not really necessary at this point imho. Schlesische fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Good for Strader.  stab posted:Why is Adam Oates on the ice in Montreal He's been Sam Gagner's private coach.
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Schlesische posted:The Habs and Leafs (among a few other teams) are distinct in that they make sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much money they don't have to give a poo poo and can quite happily afford to pay a coach 10mil a season if they want to. Apparently the Rangers are the most valuable team in the NHL though I wonder how of that is because of the lovely Canadian dollar I think it's like Montreal, Toronto, the Rangers and Boston that make the bulk of revenue by far in the NHL
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Feb 16, 2017 04:22
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Fire Ken Holland hadnt been said for a few pages at least
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Schlesische posted:The Habs and Leafs (among a few other teams) are distinct in that they make sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much money they don't have to give a poo poo and can quite happily afford to pay a coach 10mil a season if they want to. Until this hiring, the highest paid coach other than Babcock was Dave Tippett in Arizona. https://www.capfriendly.com/coaches
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corey hirsch wrote a thing about his mental health struggles
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Zodijackylite posted:Until this hiring, the highest paid coach other than Babcock was Dave Tippett in Arizona. Jesus it's even worse than I thought. You'd think Barry Trotz would be worth more than $1.5 million, and Boudreau could command a salary a decent amount higher too.
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Things I like Nyquist: "I was trying to cross-check the guy, honest" The Ref was looking straight at this incident and thought a double minor was fine "no injury"
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6 games is a loving joke. The NHL rules always say it doesn't matter if you did it accidentally or not you always have to be in control. Well not only did that seem intentional but that was inches away from making him lose his eye. Guys have been suspended 2-3 games with ZERO history for a bad accidental high stick. This also just adds to the long history of Minnesota players getting clobbered and the offender getting a slap on the wrist. Last year it was Keith slashing Coyle in the face and he also only got six games. Also I get that all leagues protect their stars but if that was Crosby or Kane who got hit like that this would be a no brainer 10 game suspension. soggybagel fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Levitate posted:Apparently the Rangers are the most valuable team in the NHL though I wonder how of that is because of the lovely Canadian dollar Those and Chicago makes the top 5, ahead of Boston.
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fits posted:corey hirsch wrote a thing about his mental health struggles Like most of these articles, this is a really good read. I remember seeing him in the AHL and wondering how he had such a great rookie year and couldn't build on it. Never knew he was dealing with something like that. And good on the trainer/team to realize how serious it was and get him help , rather refreshing to see that in a 90s NHL health story.
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I'm several pages late to "Why should Burns be a Norris front-runner?" chat, but in all of the comparisons to Karlsson's 2015-16, one thing I didn't see mentioned (and I may have missed it) was Burns' goal scoring. His point totals as a whole may compare slightly unfavorably to Karlsson, but he's got a reasonable shot to score 35 goals, which puts him into a seriously exclusive club, and it's not outside the realm of possibility - unlikely, but not terribly impossible - that he hits 40. So all the other comparisons notwithstanding, Burns feels like more of an individual threat than any defenseman since Green in 2008, at least, and maybe going back to the early 90s.
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No history or not, 6 games is a bit light for staring at someone's face before you jab the tip of your stick blade right below their eye... as a retaliatory act. NHL Wheel of Justice in full force.
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soggybagel posted:Also I get that all leagues protect their stars but if that was Crosby or Kane who got hit like that this would be a no brainer 10 game suspension. You say this, but Dubinsky broke his stick over the back of Crosby's neck and only got a game. DoPS wants to protect no one. Chris Pronger is involved in suspensions.
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Gio posted:Fire Ken Holland THC will be Banned in its entirety this year, friend
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Mage_Boy posted:You say this, but Dubinsky broke his stick over the back of Crosby's neck and only got a game. DoPS wants to protect no one. Chris Pronger is involved in suspensions. Crosby had it coming though!
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thank gently caress the flyers have Colorado coming up because holy gently caress they may not win any other game for the rest of this month
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tinstaach posted:THC will be Banned in its entirety this year, friend Ken Holland is eternal
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fits posted:corey hirsch wrote a thing about his mental health struggles is right. Jesus.
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fits posted:corey hirsch wrote a thing about his mental health struggles Getting misty reading this on the train. Valentine's Day was the 3rd anniversary of my cousin's suicide, he had Pure O which is an OCD.
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If Holland was fired how desirable would the job be? The roster is trash and with the contracts they have it's not like you could do a fast rebuild. The wings are still a pretty big team in terms of recognition but they do have that new stadium and I can't they imagine that whoever ends up running the team wants people's first impressions to be that no one is going because the team sucks. The Joe has looked empty on tv a bunch and I know it's slightly different circumstances from the Pistons location wise but they are drawing no one to the Palace.
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dadjokes posted:If Holland was fired how desirable would the job be? The roster is trash and with the contracts they have it's not like you could do a fast rebuild. It really depends on who takes over in ownership. Philadelphia got lucky with Hextall coming on and new ownership saying they'd keep running things the same way after Ed Snyder died. Other times new ownership just doesn't give a gently caress.
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Zodijackylite posted:Until this hiring, the highest paid coach other than Babcock was Dave Tippett in Arizona. Mike Dad Bab Clock i tell ya boy
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a false posted:Mike Dad Bab Clock i tell ya boy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UNP2DDNcq8
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a false posted:Mike Dad Bab Clock i tell ya boy He's been the highest paid Maple Leaf for over a year now. Zodijackylite posted:Until this hiring, the highest paid coach other than Babcock was Dave Tippett in Arizona. Tippett is also the executive VP of Hockey Ops and gets a great deal of say on roster decisions (he's essentially an AGM under Chayka) which is why he's paid so much. There aren't many other coaches that have a management position as well, so he basically draws two salaries and fulfills the same role as Lou in Toronto. The Canucks are still paying half of Tort's salary as well I believe. ThinkTank fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Schlesische posted:The Habs and Leafs (among a few other teams) are distinct in that they make sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much money they don't have to give a poo poo and can quite happily afford to pay a coach 10mil a season if they want to. Which is really what they should be doing. There's no reason teams like the Habs, Rangers, Leafs, etc shouldn't have a massive advantage in terms of scouting, coaching, and management. They have the resources to hire the best people and there is no cap on it. It makes it all the more comical when they're awfully mismanaged.
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Last night was the first win streak-like, complete effort I've seen out of the CBJ in a while. Seemingly clogging the middle and creating turnovers at will, including the one which led to Bjorkstrand's breakaway goal. They'd been coming out of the post-streak hangover they'd had, but are consistently looking better, which is reassuring. I think they're 9-10-1 since now which would be a stretch we'd have killed for as CBJ fans at times over the years, but kinda looks not so good now. Feels good man. The Dirty Burger posted:1 assist in 29 games this year, why the hell did they even recall him from Bingo I don't know what Rychel and Dano are up to, but Alexander Wennberg has turned out quite nicely.
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Schlesische posted:The Habs and Leafs (among a few other teams) are distinct in that they make sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much money they don't have to give a poo poo and can quite happily afford to pay a coach 10mil a season if they want to. One of the few things the NFL does right is it does share the profits across all teams, this includes merch, TV deals, etc. No one team gets a significant money advantage compared to the others. I think the only thing they don't share is ticket sales, but I could be wrong on that (which if they didn't is moot, given pretty much every game sells out regardless).
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Ginette Reno posted:Which is really what they should be doing. There's no reason teams like the Habs, Rangers, Leafs, etc shouldn't have a massive advantage in terms of scouting, coaching, and management. They have the resources to hire the best people and there is no cap on it. It makes it all the more comical when they're awfully mismanaged. Non player costs are really easy to hide though and any halfway competent team would be able to skirt them with little difficulty. What counts as scouting expense? Just the scout's salary, or does that include all travel, benefits, etc? What about video scouting? Does installing a state of the art video room count as an arena cost or a scouting cost? Can you hire a scout as a member of the ticketing department and then have them "volunteer" to travel to Sudbury to watch games? What about hiring a Leafs scout as a Raptors employee? I honestly don't mind that certain teams get a big advantage in coaching and scouting as it means the big markets can continue to be relevant and play the villain role. It would be disastrous for the league if the Leafs, Habs, Rangers, Hawks and Penguins were all terrible simultaneously (like it was back in the early 2000s and we lost a season as a result).
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tinstaach posted:THC will be Banned in its entirety this year, friend But Hitchcock was already fired...
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DJExile posted:It really depends on who takes over in ownership. Philadelphia got lucky with Hextall coming on and new ownership saying they'd keep running things the same way after Ed Snyder died. Other times new ownership just doesn't give a gently caress. It's gonna be Mike Illitch's son, Chris. I imagine he will give all the necessary fucks, hopefully without his dad's absurd level of loyalty.
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ThinkTank posted:Non player costs are really easy to hide though and any halfway competent team would be able to skirt them with little difficulty. What counts as scouting expense? Just the scout's salary, or does that include all travel, benefits, etc? What about video scouting? Does installing a state of the art video room count as an arena cost or a scouting cost? Can you hire a scout as a member of the ticketing department and then have them "volunteer" to travel to Sudbury to watch games? What about hiring a Leafs scout as a Raptors employee? I dunno if I consider the Pens a big market team. They spend to the cap right now and get plenty of fans obviously but traditionally they've had trouble maintaining that when they don't have a generational player on the team. If the Pens become lovely for any length of time again they'll suffer the same attendance issues. There aren't many teams immune to that and they're definitely not one of them. They're definitely a good villain for the moment, though. As for your other questions, I'm not sure. All I know is having a comically high budget like some teams have should translate into some type of advantage even if they're limited by what they can spend on their actual team. If you look at baseball for example, the Red Sox do have a gently caress ton of money to spend on players and that certainly is a lot of their advantage but they've invested heavily into analytics too and it has paid off. And even from a Cap perspective there are plenty of teams that do not spend up to it so even there the Leafs and teams like that should be able to spend that money in such a way as to get a distinct advantage.
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fits posted:corey hirsch wrote a thing about his mental health struggles Forwarded it to a friend. They were glad to see someone speaking out about this.
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fits posted:corey hirsch wrote a thing about his mental health struggles Holy poo poo
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Ginette Reno posted:I dunno if I consider the Pens a big market team. Their Forbes valuation isn't as high as I expected, but they're still 10th as of this year. But yeah, perhaps Boston or Philly would've been a better answer. Still, the Pens have Sid and that keeps them relevant just like Lebron does for the Cavs and Curry does for Golden State. Ginette Reno posted:And even from a Cap perspective there are plenty of teams that do not spend up to it so even there the Leafs and teams like that should be able to spend that money in such a way as to get a distinct advantage. The Leafs already game the cap pretty handily. They're paying in the nieghbourhood of $35M of excess player salary through a combination of buyouts, buried contracts, retained salary and permanent LTIR. There are really only two or three teams that can afford to to do that, and the Leafs have quite happily benefited form their ability to just burn money whenever they want. No one really complains about that despite it being such a distinct competitive advantage. I don't see how scouting/coaching/management dollars are any different.
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Pittsburgh was broke as hell in the late 90's/2000's before Crosby, shedding big players like crazy from their good days until they had a frighteningly low payroll and Dick Tarnstrom was their leading scorer. There was some expectation that they would move to KC. Lemieux got ownership stake because they owed him so much money from his playing days.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Pittsburgh was broke as hell in the late 90's/2000's before Crosby, shedding big players like crazy from their good days until they had a frighteningly low payroll and Dick Tarnstrom was their leading scorer. There was some expectation that they would move to KC. Lemieux got ownership stake because they owed him so much money from his playing days. Yeah, but that was ~15 years ago and a lot has changed since then. They've turned into a regular cup contender and built a brand new stadium. 10 years ago the Hawks were one of the poorest teams in the league, now they're the most popular and profitable American franchise after the Rangers.
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