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Dr. Stab posted:That's not quite how it works. March of the Machines doesn't create a paradox. You just apply the effect once, in the appropriate layer, and that's it. When The Dark was printed, words such as "apply", "layer", "effect", and "appropriate" weren't a thing in Magic 
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Serperoth posted:When The Dark was printed, words such as "apply", "layer", "effect", and "appropriate" weren't a thing in Magic Who cares? I'm cracking packs for motherfucking Uncle Istvan
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Feb 16, 2017 16:53
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suicidesteve posted:Has anyone bought one of those cub3 box things? Are they any good? The holiday boxes kinda suck and I'm not super in love with the idea of having my $14k cube sitting in a cheap piece of cardboard. For a $14k cube I would go right for a pelican case with the removable / customizable foam. I think the 1500 would probably work but it depends on the card count for the cube. This option from the broken token looks promising for a less expensive cube - http://www.thebrokentoken.com/standard-sized-card-organizer-for-wooden-artist-case/
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Feb 16, 2017 16:57
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Feb 16, 2017 16:59
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Since I'm not playing the main event this weekend I'm soliciting opinions for what I should do on Sunday: https://www.strawpoll.me/12350734
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Soul Glo posted:Bring Pack Wars to the PT Encourages people to buy packs AND play with the contents? This can only be a good thing.
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En Fuego posted:Vintage Rotisserie Draft should be a pro-tour format. Vintage Rotisserie Draft should be the top 8 of the world championship. Done live, with real power, etc. I think it could be really cool.
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Feb 16, 2017 17:12
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Eela6 posted:Vintage Rotisserie Draft should be the top 8 of the world championship. Done live, with real power, etc. I think it could be really cool. Unfortunately it takes forever, but it's one of my favorite things to play.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I don't know about any errata Blood Moon may or may not have gotten, but the original The Dark printing says: That sort of paradox still exists in the game today:  Layers take care of it so that it works the way it's clearly meant to.
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Feb 16, 2017 18:06
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Someone reckons that format diversity is bad, but doesn't have a comments section for me to explain why i think he's wrong. http://www.hipstersofthecoast.com/2017/02/diverse-formats-suck/ My main point would be that if individual card choices matter less, and one deck doesn't have an advantage over another that being a better player rather than just a better builder matters more, and in terms of fun games and good matches to watch, better players is better to watch than a better matchup.
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He seems to think that for every matchup to be even, decks would have to play the same, which is terrible lazy thinking and also the opposite of diversity.
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Dr. Stab posted:That's not quite how it works. March of the Machines doesn't create a paradox. You just apply the effect once, in the appropriate layer, and that's it. The word "basic" in the Dark printing had no actual meaning (its word surplusage) and isn't in the Oracle text. It's a nonbasic land which is a mountain. Turning Tolarian Academy into a mountain with Blood Moon results in a land named Tolarian Academy which is a Legendary Land - Mountain. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 18:58
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So I have been dabbling the new cheeri0s build in modern leagues. It's pretty freaking fun
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mehall posted:Someone reckons that format diversity is bad, but doesn't have a comments section for me to explain why i think he's wrong. quote:In a format where everything is good, nothing is good. Let’s say you have a Hearthstone format where there are 6 good decks, but none of them actually have an edge over another. This means that most meaningful card choices, tech choices, or in extreme cases, gameplay choices, don’t actually wind up mattering. No edge is easily obtained over anything. A diverse format does not mean anything could happen. It just means the same things will happen. A dumb assertion that isn't even true. There's a variety of tier 1 decks, but some things are better in certain metas or at one tournament. lol @ the idea that somehow Jund, Affinity, Ad Nauseum, Goryo's Vengeance, Toolbox, or URx Snapcaster decks are doing the same thing or match up 50/50. They all attack the game at different angles and if one becomes too prominent you get tier 2 brews like Spirits that eats fair decks like Jund alive or WR Prison that owns unfair decks. quote:Another oft forgotten about flaw to this type of format is the fact that there isn’t anything to try and beat. The existence of tier 2 brews and the fact that they top 8 and win GPs disproves this. You can easily play a deck that targets the more popular decks you're likely to see. quote:Coming off of the last point; these kinds of diverse formats result in a major lack of evolution. Each set over the last 2 years has impacted modern in some capacity and probably before that too (I just wasn't around then). Rhino was the last straw that got Pod banned, Collected Company created entirely new decks (that to be fair were based on Pod), Eldrazi completely ruined the format and even made Legacy/Vintage decks, Grim Flayer and Fatal Push have both changed up BGx and Grixis builds, and Cheerios might be a real thing now with Sram. He gives one example of a past standard format being bad, the rest of the examples are from Hearthstone, and none from modern. Sounds like he doesn't even play modern or at the very least doesn't understand it and hasn't realized that the bad game is actually Hearthstone. ThePeavstenator fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Feb 16, 2017 19:56
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If you read his past articles you'll find that he quit Magic for HS.
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Feb 16, 2017 20:01
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Hearthstone is the worse game but it's also so much cheaper than Magic and that can be all that matters.
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Siivola posted:If you read his past articles you'll find that he quit Magic for HS. Good choice, they're both terribly designed but the monsters in hearthstone say puns when you smash them into each other.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hearthstone is the worse game but it's also so much cheaper than Magic and that can be all that matters. Yeah that was really just meant as a joke. The only reason I brought Hearthstone up was because that article didn't sound like any complaints people actually have about modern diversity. I get that some people really dislike how certain matchups can be unwinnable in modern if you match up poorly against a deck and didn't bring a sideboard that can deal with it.
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Feb 16, 2017 20:28
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why would anyone read an article from a website called 'hipstersofthecoast'
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ThePeavstenator posted:The existence of tier 2 brews and the fact that they top 8 and win GPs disproves this. You can easily play a deck that targets the more popular decks you're likely to see. ....and then play them zero times in the entire tournament. Which is kinda his point.
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Diverse formats aren't guaranteed bad but boy howdy they sure aren't guaranteed good.
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suicidesteve posted:....and then play them zero times in the entire tournament. His point was that everything in modern is equally good and doing the same thing and that's really boring. In that paragraph he argues that having the best decks, decks that beat the best decks, and lesser-played decks that beat both of those decks is a good rock/paper/scissors paradigm to have. Modern has the rock/paper/scissors thing going on. I'll concede that it's fair to dislike the matchup roulette in modern but his argument wasn't about that, it was that diversity at the top actually leads to homogenization. His example was Thragtusk and Thundermaw Hellkite being a card every deck had to play, except that's a lot more like last standard was with Emrakul. Modern isn't perfect but its problem isn't that all the best decks are doing the same thing and the only way to beat them is to do that same thing. e: Also I wasn't playing when Dark Ascension came out, but isn't Innistrad considered one of the better standards? ThePeavstenator fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Feb 16, 2017 |
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Siivola posted:If you read his past articles you'll find that he quit Magic for HS. If it is the same Anthony Lowry that wrote for SCG, it doesn't surprise me he's writing content with a negative view of the game. The guy was getting a lot of poo poo from folks in the MTG community about how he wrote big ("I will win event _____") and then never really put up any results. At one point people were just trolling the comments of his articles just saying "Why are you writing for SCG? Where are your results?"
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ThePeavstenator posted:Also I wasn't playing when Dark Ascension came out, but isn't Innistrad considered one of the better standards? All Standards with Heartless Summoning were by default the best ones, as no other standards come close to Heartless Summoning.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:All Standards with Heartless Summoning were by default the best ones, as no other standards come close to Heartless Summoning. Got an example list? Was it a good deck(s)?
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It was not but it was neat. That standard also had delver, WRR, pod, and zombies all of which were super cool imo.
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black potus posted:Diverse formats aren't guaranteed bad but boy howdy they sure aren't guaranteed good. the only perfect format is an empty format, with no one to sin or play magic
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black potus posted:It was not but it was neat. That standard also had delver, WRR, pod, and zombies all of which were super cool imo. I wasn't able to really test it but I honestly think Heartless Summoning would've had a good matchup against Delver.
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black potus posted:It was not but it was neat. That standard also had delver, WRR, pod, and zombies all of which were super cool imo. Wolf Run Ramp is still my beautiful baby and it's the only time I've done well in a competitive Magic Tournament
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TheKingofSprings posted:Wolf Run Ramp is still my beautiful baby and it's the only time I've done well in a competitive Magic Tournament SOI's lands were perhaps the most disappointing thing about the return to Innistrad.
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Rinkles posted:Got an example list? Was it a good deck(s)? It was something like this. Tier 1 or 1.5, definitely a top contender because Massacre Wurm as a 4-mana 5/4 is still, somehow, really good, and black's removal was rugged then. There were also [url=http://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=2556&d=216609&f=ST]Perilous Myr/Havengul Lich[url] lists that besides dropping U/B game-enders as midrange cards, paying 1 mana per shock repeatedly is also good generally. Other things it did were Rune-Scarred Demon searches for Phyrexian Metamorph and Phantasmal Image, so it'd loop 5/5 fliers for cheap. And just dropping Frost Titan and Sphinx of Uthuun and Solemn Simulacrum for cheap piles up. It didn't survive into INN/RTR that well, part because it lost so many of its value guys with M12 and Scars block, part was losing Ponder, and mostly because the format was slow enough that getting the discount didn't help in the long run.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Hearthstone is the worse game but it's also so much cheaper than Magic and that can be all that matters. For all the complaints about the health of high level Magic, the level of complaints about Hearthstone right now are even louder because its even more absurdly imbalanced than MTG is right now.
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Angry Grimace posted:For all the complaints about the health of high level Magic, the level of complaints about Hearthstone right now are even louder because its even more absurdly imbalanced than MTG is right now. Literally every control deck is running Reno Jackson. For the record, that's a 6 mana 4/6 with "if your deck has no duplicates, restore your health to full." Literally every control deck, spread through about 4-5 classes, is a Reno deck. It's not fun, it's also nearly impossible to prevent happening. Unless you run Dirty Rat, and even then that's not a guarantee. Every Midrange deck is a Jade Golem deck, which is a collection of Rogue/Druid/Shaman decks that make Jade Golems. These are 1/1s that get +X/+X, where X is the total number of Jade Golems you've summoned before this one. You eventually just get ground to a pulp by them. Every aggro deck is Pirates. Or rather, every aggro deck is running 2 Southsea Deckhand, 2 Small-Time Buccaneer, and Patches the Pirate. Patches is a legendary 1/1 with charge (haste) that is summoned from your deck if you play a pirate. Every non-hunter aggro deck runs those 5 cards because they're strong 1 drops. Edit: Game's still fun though, and I hope the removal of Reno Jackson from the Standard format really livens up the game come whenever they add the newest expansion. They're also removing a bunch of classic neutral cards that get played in every midrange/control deck because of how strong they are in comparison for similarly costed cards. Would you rather run a 6 mana 7/5 that makes 2/1s everytime you play a card, or a 6 mana 5/5 with "when this dies, take control of a random minion on your opponent's side" The 5 Mana slot is also so starved for good quality cards that Azure Drake (4/4 for 5, has spell power +1, is a dragon) is the literal only card worth playing. Count Bleck fucked around with this message at 00:43 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Count Bleck posted:Literally every control deck is running Reno Jackson. For the record, that's a 6 mana 4/6 with "if your deck has no duplicates, restore your health to full." Literally every control deck, spread through about 4-5 classes, is a Reno deck. Is that in the Standard format? If what you're saying is that aggro, control, and midrange are all viable then that sounds awesome really. One of the reasons I'm not digging Standard right now is that I can't play a control deck with inevitability (e.g. Elixir control).
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clamiam45 posted:Is that in the Standard format? If what you're saying is that aggro, control, and midrange are all viable then that sounds awesome really. One of the reasons I'm not digging Standard right now is that I can't play a control deck with inevitability (e.g. Elixir control). I really like playing Jeskai Control with Nahriri and Chandra, Flamecaller as a finisher. Has alot of inevitability. It was better last season being able to find an Emmy yourself (the Jeskai decks were pretty good at getting 5-6 types in the GY anyway,) but running four gearhulks is great too.
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Btw scg balt is sold out already today and it's also modern. Shocking.
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Sickening posted:Btw scg balt is sold out already today and it's also modern. Shocking. Seriously? gently caress I wanted to go to that
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Sickening posted:Btw scg balt is sold out already today and it's also modern. Shocking. Where did you see that? Everything I see is saying this weekend in Baltimore is sold out, which is Team Constructed. Granted that has modern in it, but also standard and legacy.
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Sickening posted:Btw scg balt is sold out already today and it's also modern. Shocking. It's not just modern. It's team split format and it's gonna be awesome.
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