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Korgan
Feb 14, 2012


Thanks both of you. Looks like House of War is the place to be, all my friends already love the joint. Now to do some reading and video watching.

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TheFinalTuba
May 3, 2016
Long time Tohaa player with some questions for the community at large.... I got into Tohaa back before Rasail Boarding teams came out and all that, and while they were still strong, they didn't have quite all the crazy tools they have now. Well since then, with awesome dudes like the Rasail, Kosuil, Sukeul, etc. it kinda feels like they've gone from strong, to drat near unbeatable. Now listen, I love my aliens, but lately I'm starting to agree with my play group when they say that at times, Tohaa feel frankly, a little unbalanced. I write because I want to keep playing Tohaa, but I also want to keep games competitive and fun for everyone. What kind of advice can I forward to them when it comes to things like the following?

- Tohaa links are so good. If anyone else wants to take a badass HI in a link they have to pay for like, 40 point cheerleaders, but I get the advantage of filling the link with handy utility dudes (Makaul, specialist, etc.) to give that extra burst while being cheap and good at hiding.
- Symbiont armor is also amazing. On my active turn I can go into just about any firefight with confidence. Worst case scenario I take a wound and drop my symbiont armor. For most other people, their worst case is they take a wound and die :/
- We seem to be getting extremely effective, well-priced units lately. Things like the Rasail, basically 3 wounds, always in cover, AND A BUDDY!? for a bargain. Sekeul, which is like, everything you want in a link gunner, for a bargain too.

I'm sure there are other inherent issues that make playing against Tohaa unfun. I'm just wondering what other groups experiences are like. Do you find this to be the case too? Can anyone recommend shifts in the way we play that can help balance these issues? Things like more terrain, less terrain, more saturation zones, harder to get to objectives, easier to get to objectives, etc.? I know that's hard to answer without having a baseline for what our meta's like, but still might help. Or like, should things like Mutts and E/M and template weapons be way more prevalent when fighting me?? Anyway thanks, sick of feeling like I'm playing with a handicap xD

Pidgin Englishman
Apr 30, 2007

If you shoot
you better hit your mark
I've found tohaa hard to play against if they're handled well, but quite fragile if a few key units drop. I certainly wouldn't classify them as unfair.

The only thing they have that's sus is the symbiomate. On an ectros its giving them a 4th wound that is not only lower risk than a normal wound, but can soak all damage in an order. While not invincible, it just seems a bit over the top.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus

Pidgin Englishman posted:

I've found tohaa hard to play against if they're handled well, but quite fragile if a few key units drop. I certainly wouldn't classify them as unfair.

The only thing they have that's sus is the symbiomate. On an ectros its giving them a 4th wound that is not only lower risk than a normal wound, but can soak all damage in an order. While not invincible, it just seems a bit over the top.

Agreed, the biggest thing that is imbalanced is the symbiomate. They severely need tuned down.

TheFinalTuba
May 3, 2016

Khisanth Magus posted:

Agreed, the biggest thing that is imbalanced is the symbiomate. They severely need tuned down.

Well, especially since they come on a CoC model. Makes it way too easy to take an aggressive symbio Lt with a mate and not worry about consequences :/

Sleepyjacked
Sep 21, 2010

Cat Face Joe posted:

The joke is that the crabbot profile has a knife while the scindron profile does not.

Scindron HAS a knife tho...?

Cyclomatic
May 29, 2012

"I'm past caring about what might be lost by letting alphabet soups monitor every last piece of communication between every human being on the planet."

I unironically love Big Brother.
Honestly, I think it is hard to tell with Tohaa if they really are a bit much.

They might be, but as an alien faction they don't play standard Infinity, and it creates a situation where Tohaa players get a lot of practice playing against standard Infinity while non-Tohaa players usually don't get a proportional amount of experience playing against Tohaa Infinity. The human factions are different, but they usually play in a fundamentally similar way.

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



Sleepyjacked posted:

Scindron HAS a knife tho...?

It didn't originally.

Hortism
Oct 25, 2010

Korgan posted:

Thanks both of you. Looks like House of War is the place to be, all my friends already love the joint. Now to do some reading and video watching.

I'm Melbourne based as well. I don't often go to Ringwood since I live pretty central, but I believe House of War runs some casual 200pt tournies that I want to hit up. Ones next week I believe.

Shoot me a message if you'd like a game sometime though.

Sleepyjacked
Sep 21, 2010

Has anyone seen any good Shikami proxies or conversions?

I was thinking of making one with one of the CCW Domaru (the middle ones)



and one of the Puppetswar samurai heads.



I'll also do some arm re-positioning and maybe add a greenstuff Shinobu scarf or something.
Thoughts?
Advice?

HardHead
Nov 4, 2009

Bouncer, Hey bouncer.

Sleepyjacked posted:

Has anyone seen any good Shikami proxies or conversions?

I was thinking of making one with one of the CCW Domaru (the middle ones)



and one of the Puppetswar samurai heads.



I'll also do some arm re-positioning and maybe add a greenstuff Shinobu scarf or something.
Thoughts?
Advice?

Those heads are scaled for warhammer 40k and would be massively overzised for an infinity mini.

Signal
Dec 10, 2005

Honestly, those Domaru would make a totally fine Shikami for me. Just paint it in some unique and extraordinary fashion, and that'd be great.

EDIT: That second one, especially. Give him a really striking red color or something, maybe freehand a monster face on him.

Signal fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Feb 17, 2017

Clawtopsy
Dec 17, 2009

What a fascinatingly unusual cock. Now, allow me to show you my collection...
I used to run melbourne tournies, but it became a huge pain and some people became annoyingly entitled about it, so I just run private events, now

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

HardHead posted:

Those heads are scaled for warhammer 40k and would be massively overzised for an infinity mini.

So are the Domaru. :v:

Korgan
Feb 14, 2012


Hortism posted:

I'm Melbourne based as well. I don't often go to Ringwood since I live pretty central, but I believe House of War runs some casual 200pt tournies that I want to hit up. Ones next week I believe.

Shoot me a message if you'd like a game sometime though.

Yeah I was in today and a very nice bloke was telling me about his old HaqqIslam army he left on the train and advising me on the good things to get. Sitting on a boarding shotgun Fiday and a box set of Djanbazan, they were out of Naffatuns :mad:, and then I'm picking up the Red Veil set off a Kind Goon, which will hopefully keep me in metal action dollies for a while.

Cat Face Joe
Feb 20, 2005

goth vegan crossfit mom who vapes



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udC-zBDB3Ek

grassy gnoll
Aug 27, 2006

The pawsting business is tough work.
Is that sniper supposed to be Benecio del Toro's character from Guardians of the Galaxy? And is that hair or exposed brain on the hacker?

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

grassy gnoll posted:

Is that sniper supposed to be Benecio del Toro's character from Guardians of the Galaxy? And is that hair or exposed brain on the hacker?

Yes.

grassy gnoll
Aug 27, 2006

The pawsting business is tough work.

..those are all GotG characters, aren't they.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus
The guy with the mohawk looks eerily similar to Yondu, yeah. The other 2 we can't see enough of their faces.

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

grassy gnoll posted:

..those are all GotG characters, aren't they.
Yes.

Khisanth Magus
Mar 31, 2011

Vae Victus
According to someone in my local Infinity group, the brown haired chick is based on Gamora, and the hacker on Nebula.

TheFinalTuba
May 3, 2016
I can't decide if this is stupid, or if I love it. I think I love it?

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

Any opinions on the different neoprene mats out their suitable for Infinity? I think the mats with city streets look a little more natural but seem like they might get weird with objective placement sometimes, or be fairly static in layout if you place terrain around the streets every time.

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid
I bought the Quarantine mat from gamemat.eu and I have busses/trams and metal sheet fences to block the streets if I want to

Edit: http://www.gamemat.eu/our-products/battle-mats/4-x4-g-mats/4-x4-g-mat-quarantine/en/

PirateDentist
Mar 28, 2006

Sailing The Seven Seas Searching For Scurvy

fozzy fosbourne posted:

Any opinions on the different neoprene mats out their suitable for Infinity? I think the mats with city streets look a little more natural but seem like they might get weird with objective placement sometimes, or be fairly static in layout if you place terrain around the streets every time.

Any mat is better than no mat. Even a green grass one works fine IMO. FLGSs have some of the city ones, rarely does anyone bother to actually line up buildings and streets. It can look extra cool, but I don't really notice once the game starts really.

Bare/painted wood sucks, things slip around too easy. One store has this nasty astroturf that just makes your hands/arms hurt after a few minutes. Thankfully they don't run infinity,

Sleepyjacked
Sep 21, 2010

HardHead posted:

Those heads are scaled for warhammer 40k and would be massively overzised for an infinity mini.

Pierzak posted:

So are the Domaru. :v:

Yeah that was my thought too. Especially the big male CCW figure.
Anyone here built the Domaru before? I'm assuming the head, body, legs are one piece, and the arms are separate?

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


my next game is gonna have a Charontid HMG MSV3 Lt, Speculo Killer, Fraacta SF, Umbra Legate Hacker and dislike for good times in wargaming

Flipswitch fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Feb 18, 2017

Pidgin Englishman
Apr 30, 2007

If you shoot
you better hit your mark
You're a bad, bad, person. With, I suspect, 6 orders.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


I had 10 I think. Pretty sure it was 10 or I was missing one of those models. I'll dig up the list when I wake up tomorrow. It had an M and Q Drone, Doctor Worm and Anyat maybe?

fozzy fosbourne
Apr 21, 2010

These modular neoprene mats from micro arts studio look pretty rad:
https://youtu.be/dQbyWOZBJ7o

I wonder when they will be available for non kickstarters

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Combined Army
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10
CHARONTID Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L3) HMG, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 79)
UMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43)
M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
FRAACTA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
SPECULO KILLER Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW, Knife. (1 | 34)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

6 SWC | 299 Points

Open in Infinity Army

Genghis Cohen
Jun 29, 2013

Flipswitch posted:

Combined Army
──────────────────────────────────────────────────

10
CHARONTID Lieutenant (Multispectral Visor L3) HMG, Nanopulser / Heavy Pistol, Knife. (2 | 79)
UMBRA LEGATE Hacker (Hacking Device Plus) Boarding Shotgun, Flash Pulse / Pistol, DA CCW. (0.5 | 43)
M-DRONE Combi Rifle, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 17)
Q-DRONE HMG / Electric Pulse. (1 | 26)
FRAACTA Spitfire, Nanopulser / Pistol, Knife. (1.5 | 35)
MED-TECH OBSIDON MEDCHANOID Combi Rifle, D-Charges / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 23)
ANYAT K1 Combi Rifle, Chain-colt, Smoke Grenades, E/M Grenades / Pistol, Knife. (0 | 25)
SPECULO KILLER Boarding Shotgun, Smoke Grenades / Pistol, Monofilament CCW, Knife. (1 | 34)
IKADRON (Baggage, Repeater) 2 Light Flamethrowers, Flash Pulse / Pistol, Electric Pulse. (0 | 9)
R-DRONE Flash Pulse, Sniffer / Electric Pulse. (0 | 8)

6 SWC | 299 Points

Open in Infinity Army

If I'm honest, not the kind of list that really scares me. Vanilla CA can be an awesome army, but why not just take maybe 2 of those terrifying models (probably the charontid, maybe the speculo as well?) and just change the rest in for max AVA of imetrons and ikadrons, with some daturazi, so you can have more orders, smoke-shoot the charontid and control more of the board?

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Because I play the order heavy type of list already in our ITS events and I'm trying smaller lists :)

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid

Not a viking posted:




I made some jungle terrain

X-posting

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


Where did you get the trees from?

Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

fozzy fosbourne posted:

These modular neoprene mats from micro arts studio look pretty rad:
https://youtu.be/dQbyWOZBJ7o

I wonder when they will be available for non kickstarters

I have one. The tile divisions are very visible so if you're not 100% ok with premeasuring it might but the hell out of you. And they really need some extra tiles for variety/if you wanna avoid placing buildings on roads.
Apart from that, they're nice thick mousepad mats.

Not a viking
Aug 2, 2008

Feels like I just got laid

Flipswitch posted:

Where did you get the trees from?

https://youtu.be/bJ-ZvGMnTIM

Kitchen rolls

Not a viking fucked around with this message at 12:53 on Feb 18, 2017

spectralent
Oct 1, 2014

Me and the boys poppin' down to the shops
My historicals group is imploding so I might end up playing this more, but at the very least I have a chance to get things painted.

Speaking of getting things painted, fuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Are all the Infinity sculpts covered in intricate, shallow details that're really easy to accidentally ruin like the Aleph starter box is?

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Pierzak
Oct 30, 2010

spectralent posted:

Speaking of getting things painted, fuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Are all the Infinity sculpts covered in intricate, shallow details that're really easy to accidentally ruin like the Aleph starter box is?
No, some are covered in intricate, slightly deeper details.

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