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Junkozeyne posted:I miss the days when people called 'fake news' lies and propaganda instead of pretending that this is some new thing that only started like a year ago. Especially when the media complains about it and is just as happy to contrast some scientific report with the 'opinion' of some shithead and pretend like it's somehow equivalent. I think it initially sprung up as a specific form of news-shaped lies-for-clicks with a profit rather than political motive. Then it's marketing strategies got adopted and weaponised by more traditional political propagandists. So it was (and sometimes still is) something unique that requires its own specific term, but it also overlaps with a lot of more familiar and established stuff.
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Depressingly revealing final question on Question Time tonight: 'Would you add Vitamin D to food?' Despite being politicians not scientists, and clearly knowing gently caress-all about the health effects of Vitamin D or the practicalities of adding it to food, nearly all panellists had a punt at answering the question. Pretty much sums up why politics is so poo poo.
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What were their answers? A lot of basic food like bread and milk and cereal used to be fortified with vitamins B and D as part of the drive to eliminate pellagra and rickets, which it did a good job at. Now those diseases are coming back, admittedly in small numbers, but it's still something to be avoided. Possibly by, idk, ensuring people can afford a proper diet in the first place, but is there a case against fortifying white bread?
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LemonDrizzle posted:Well, they aren't legal tender so the wide-eyed starers aren't completely wrong... Interestingly enough, English banknotes aren't legal tender in Scotland or Northern Ireland, and shops don't have to accept legal tender in any case. Cerv posted:Remember even Diane Abbott sent her kids to private school. You're going to get awfully lonely up there on your high horse taking such a hardline against these things I don't think it's come up yet, but the reason Diane Abbott got such flack for sending her son to private school was that she made a point of attacking other politicians for doing so. I'd share opinions expressed earlier, that it's understandable for a politician to want the best for their child, but I have very little sympathy with one who scored political points attacking others for doing so. Edit: On a completely random tangent, is there anyone familiar with Scots who knows what 'priens' are? As in "I'll buy you a pennyworth o' priens" in this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQPyEKlWNMs Can't seem to google up a definition. Prince John fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Prince John posted:Interestingly enough, English banknotes aren't legal tender in Scotland or Northern Ireland, and shops don't have to accept legal tender in any case.
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I think we should have more atomic energized foods Like pink grapefruit. IIRC the whole "legal tender" thing is bullshit and no salesman is obligated to sell you anything, at anytime, for any price (in english or scottish sterling, or anything else for that matter). No one "has to" accept any note. There is no effect on the party's right of refusal of service. No one in England has to accept Scottish money. Rakosi fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Guavanaut posted:What were their answers? Various bullshit ranging from 'we should definitely do it (but I can't say why)' to 'people can buy supplements if they want it, don't put it in food'. They didn't say the clearly correct answer, which is that it depends on the evidence and politicians should do what scientists tell them on these matters. Also Blair is going to make a speech about how we should stay in the EU. He also reveals what he would be doing about immigration if he was in charge: Tony Blair posted:There is, in some parts of the country, a genuine concern about numbers from Europe – real pressures on services and wages. But for many people, the core of the immigration question – and one which I fully accept is a substantial issue – is immigration from non-European countries especially when from different cultures in which assimilation and potential security threats can be an issue. Yep, shift all the blame onto immigrants from non-EU countries!
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Feb 17, 2017 01:43
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Tony Blair in 'hates brown people' shocker.
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Fair play to Tony, most racists just shout abuse or beat someone up, he helped blow up the middle east.
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It's not really a shocker in that he is right that people across the country find that an issue.
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Rakosi posted:IIRC the whole "legal tender" thing is bullshit and no salesman is obligated to sell you anything, at anytime, for any price (in english or scottish sterling, or anything else for that matter). No one "has to" accept any note. http://edu.bankofengland.co.uk/knowledgebank/what-is-legal-tender/ quote:What is legal tender?
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legal tender fraud: its illegal to use to legal tender
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Rakosi posted:It's not really a shocker in that he is right that people across the country find that an issue. He's so desperate to try and keep us in the EU he's fallen back on saying immigration from non-EU countries represents a security risk. There's no doubt were he actually in a position of power he would say/do anything to get what he wants, including actually parroting Trump talking points.
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Feb 17, 2017 02:54
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blair has some gall saying that people were misled into brexit. pot kettle black and all that
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What if the only way to stop the Tories from destroying the NHS is to turn against immigrants?
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hakimashou posted:What if the only way to stop the Tories from destroying the NHS is to turn against immigrants? What if you got out of the thread forever? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Paxman posted:People who think about ethics and morality have generally tended to accept that human beings tend not to act in a moral or ethical way. It's not a strange argument that destroys morality, it's often the starting point for a debate about morality. There isnt always a duty to be impartial, and that's how we actually deal with it, is by taking into account duties of impartiality in some cases but not in others. A doctor might have a special duty to be impartial as part of his duty to care for people that he undertakes by becoming a doctor and practicing medicine. If you know that next week many people will celebrate their birthdays, and that many of them would really enjoy and appreciate a birthday gift from you, but you only give one to you son and not to any strangers, I don't think you've violated any duty to be impartial, and therefore you have not acted immorally. Rawls' veil of ignorance isn't meant to be applied in every situation no matter how miniscule, his work is about how to order society. It's an ingenious framework for creating a perversely 'enlightened' self-interest that leads to be people not just being selfish. Its especially egregious to call on Rawls in defense of moral standards you admit are impossible to live up to because his thinking is meant to describe a plausible theory of justice that people can and therefore should live up to. I believe that 'ought' implies 'can' and since people cannot always be impartial toward their kids or loved ones vs. strangers, it's wrong to say that they always should be.
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hakimashou posted:What if the only way to stop the Tories from destroying the NHS is to turn against immigrants? Isn't this just the ticking time bomb fallacy only you've replaced 'bomb explode' with 'NHS dismantled'? What if there was a bomb right, and you had to shoot a kitten and then eat poop?///? What now you leftist gently caress!
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Regarde Aduck posted:Isn't this just the ticking time bomb fallacy only you've replaced 'bomb explode' with 'NHS dismantled'? I give the bomb to you and leave with the kitten.
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Feb 17, 2017 07:38
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The  is now a bomb
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Yo comrades i dont normally post pre coffee but i glanced at the headlines and noted war criminal tony blair wants to lead a new remain campaign Just flat out lol, what a figurehead
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Feb 17, 2017 08:19
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Well he's got one follower on this thread already
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Feb 17, 2017 08:39
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Imagine if blair saved us from brexit. 
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Feb 17, 2017 08:46
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What if the only way to stop Brexit was to let Tony Blair invade a Middle Eastern country?
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I'm interested to hear what Big Tone has to say.
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Pissflaps posted:I'm interested to hear what Big Tone has to say. People should probably listen to him, he knows a thing or two about winning elections. Especially corbyn, since he used to have corbyn's job and was really good at it.
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Non-EU immigration to the UK is miniscule isn't it?
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Baron Corbyn posted:What if the only way to stop Brexit was to let Tony Blair invade a Middle Eastern country? Depends on which one it is. If he swerved us and attacked Israel, I think we'd all be down with that.
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Feb 17, 2017 09:41
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Dead Goon posted:Non-EU immigration to the UK is miniscule isn't it? It's higher than EU immigration
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awesome-express posted:It's higher than EU immigration I wish there was a way that this could have been told in the debate, without being anti-immigrant to the people outside the EU. The narrative was centred around how we can't control our immigration, but the immigration they can control was much larger, because they know we need the people coming in.
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Also I love it when you get people like Farage saying that we need to control immigration while simultaneously saying we need to have closer ties with 2. India 9.0% of immigrants 3. Pakistan 5.9% of immigrants 7. Nigeria 2.3% of immigrants 8. Bangladesh 2.3% of immigrants 9. South Africa 2.2 % of immigrants oh
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Feb 17, 2017 10:06
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Pissflaps stop sending people sneaky PMs, it makes you look like the creepy old man you are.
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Dabir posted:Pissflaps stop sending people sneaky PMs, it makes you look like the creepy old man you are. poo poo like that is why I'm glad I never re-upped to Platinum.
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awesome-express posted:It's higher than EU immigration Ah yes, I got my EU and non-EU figures mixed up in the depths of my memory.
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Cross posting from the BR thread for those interested: Red 43, produced by the RSSB regarding DOO emergency situations, revoked from several TOCs safety briefs, has leaked online: https://d3lkew8zknjt1t.cloudfront.net/butotv/live/videos/ZVL33/1/Jjyw3/Jjyw3_1200.mp4?_=1460029662
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Jippa posted:Imagine if blair saved us from brexit. Turns out Brexit is a good thing after all. mehall posted:I wish there was a way that this could have been told in the debate, without being anti-immigrant to the people outside the EU. People want less immigration all round, stopping EU immigration is what happened to turn up as a possibility.
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The irony being that pretty much all the countries that they've floated the idea of trade agreements have made noise about wanting the number of visa's granted for their citizens to be raised as part of a deal.
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Blairs attitude, which does pretty much boil down to 'well we can keep all non-white people out, will that do?' and is at best permitted and at worst required by the EU is why I've always been skeptical of the arguments about the EUs approach to reducing internal borders; a vital component of doing that is setting harder and harder external border limits.
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namesake posted:Blairs attitude, which does pretty much boil down to 'well we can keep all non-white people out, will that do?' and is at best permitted and at worst required by the EU is why I've always been skeptical of the arguments about the EUs approach to reducing internal borders; a vital component of doing that is setting harder and harder external border limits. External borders are necessary, tho. It's where you draw the line is kinda the sketchy part as you'll end up offending someone at some point. awesome-express fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Lots of common sense from Tony, annoying Brexiters on both sides of the house. Must be saying something right.
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