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Cender posted:It was actually in the station audio feed before the shot of Naomi's tear, just buried deep in the audio. Really? I haven't been able to make out anything clear in the Eros audio. I'm missing the video feed too we're not seeing any of the crazy poo poo. Maybe they're saving it for next week.
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Cender posted:It was actually in the station audio feed before the shot of Naomi's tear, just buried deep in the audio. I don't hear it
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VagueRant posted:Also: do any armchair moralists in the thread think Holden did the wrong thing there, even with the information he had at the time? Between the drone getting fried, a rented/PoS ship turning out to have a top-line med bay, and the guy who hacked through the door seals and got protomolecule'd I totally had them pegged as a Protogen/Mao-Kwikowski ship and crew out to harvest some protomolecule goodness, or get an update on what's going on at the scene. I was actually thinking that was the case before Miller even found the dead guy. I kind of hope they don't fully confirm it either way now, let the most obvious and likely thing be that Holden had to kill his past self and be tormented by that for a bit, but maybe he actually took out some super bad guys who were gonna do more bad guy things, and he just doesn't know it. In my personal view I was getting total black ops vibes right from jump though, and I'd actually need some evidence the other way to convince me, though ironically I never want that evidence to come up at all! Given what we've seen the protomolecule do so far, and now with the fresh new feat of being intelligent enough to detect a threat and powerful enough to move a whole station with no clear means of propulsion at all, I feel like any measures are authorized. It's like if a full-blown zombie plague broke out across the entire island country of Great Britian, and if it did you have to imagine a strict blockade would be set up and governments would be killing would-be good samaritans trying to get in there and help out all the time, just to reduce the chances that they get out again and spread it. Fantastic episode though, book one's the only one I haven't read at all (though I obviously pick up most of what happened as it gets referenced in later books, or at least the major plot points), so seeing the whole station move was a nice surprise. I kind of wish I didn't know so much of what's coming so I could be surprised more, but it's not like the books were bad reads and I'm sure there will be solid chunks of the books they'll have to streamline and show-only people will miss out when that happens.
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This is just me making assumptions, but I don't think actual Good Samaritan doctors would purposely break a quarantine and hack an airlock. They had to be Protogen.
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Feb 17, 2017 10:04
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Bates posted:Seems like Miller would be the first to notice if the rock he was sitting on suddenly accelerated or changed course Well, he did think that the Nauvoo changed course, which would be an accurate assumption to make if he didn't feel any acceleration.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:This is just me making assumptions, but I don't think actual Good Samaritan doctors would purposely break a quarantine and hack an airlock. They had to be Protogen. Their perspective made sense. Holden's actions made sense. A good person killed good people because of a hosed up situation.
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404notfound posted:If the protomolecule can defy the laws of physics by instantly altering the trajectory of an entire asteroid, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the resulting effects of acceleration, or lack thereof
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Eiba posted:It seemed plausible to me. They mostly figured out what was actually going on- that an entire city had been wiped out as some kind of sick experiment. As far as they knew, no one else knew anything, and so it was worth risking their lives (and incidentally everyone else's lives) to get the information out there. They weren't going to do things by the book, because the people who wrote the book were responsible for this, and they weren't going to stand for it. I guess I can see both arguments. I hope they keep the answer vague, at least for a while.
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ToadStyle posted:If the med crew were Protogen, surely they would have had a stealth ship escort? Not necessarily. Lots of those ships have been blown up, and we get the feeling that they're a pretty limited resource. Like, they had one for Toth station. And it would have been a plan B sort of operation, were the risks would likely be higher on a shorter notice. I'm leaning Protogen. Maybe Mao mentions it offhandedly later? Mini spoiler: The ship is a show invention, so book readers are speculating as well
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alot of their actions can interpreted as suspicious and hostile on the parts of protogen, the captain of that vessel could very well be trying to fast-talk out of their situation in the same way as kenzo or dresden (the first was successful, the latter were not) but i genuinely dont think they were protogen. occam's razor: protogen doesn't need any more protomolecule sample, they already have a stock of the stuff frozen down somewhere, and they can always culture some more in some poor kidnapped belter or press-ganged security staff. and protogen should be well aware of the containment risks involved, they have dozens of feeds monitoring the interior, they should be aware of any highly motile forms of protomolecule mass, and are less like to be surprise attacked
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Also the Doctor Dude was seen doing a vox pop on the news last episode about sending humanitarian aid. He was legit.
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Grand Fromage posted:Really? I haven't been able to make out anything clear in the Eros audio. I'm missing the video feed too we're not seeing any of the crazy poo poo. Maybe they're saving it for next week. gohmak posted:I don't hear it I didn't either. I wonder if hearing damage and age strikes again. Person of Interest had an episode like that where there was some high frequency morse code. Root heard The Machine communicating with her, but her captor/interrogator didn't hear a thing because she was too old. People in the watch thread not only confirmed to us olds that "yes, there was actually sounds during the TV broadcast" but that it was legit morse code saying what Root was reporting. It was just one more layer of cool in some of the smartest TV I've ever seen. This may be the same kind of thing. I'll have to watch the episode again with headphones.
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Svaha posted:This is complete speculation right? It's a possibility they got off of Eros with the protomolecule, but I'm fairly sure the show has not indicated that they did, Nor have any of the characters involved indicated that they had more samples somewhere. As far as the show is concerned, the protomolecule is on Eros and in a missile parked off an abandoned asteroid mine in the middle of nowhere. Yeah, watching the episode I love how it's left ambiguous. The doctors/citizen journalists/maybe Protogen only ever fully show the one guy communicating with the Roci. We can see there's more crew and we know one of them got infected because Miller found the body. We (the viewers) and Holden have no idea if any more are infected or if they are going to broadcast the situation of Eros to Solar System (how do you like it, Holden?) or if they are going to contact Protogen. Either one is a huge danger to humanity, and Holden has the real dilemma of having to do what he knows he must even though it goes against everything he believes in.
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flosofl posted:I didn't either. I relistened a few times and don't hear anything. Anyway I'm pretty sure DON'T loving TOUCH ME! was in all caps in the book so it shoulda been loud if it was in. 
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anatomi posted:Is the new season as good/better than season one? I definitely think so. Season 1 was a slow burn in many ways. A whole lot of important poo poo has happened in the first few episodes of Season 2. Gonz fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Yeah there's nothing slow about this season and if they jam all of book two into it it'll stay that way.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah there's nothing slow about this season and if they jam all of book two into it it'll stay that way. Book with show continuity spoilers: In their reddit AMA, the writers of the books confirmed that season 2 will not conclude with the end of book 2, but they would not confirm where it would end. I desperately hope we don't spend the entirety of the rest of season 2 on Ganymede, but other than that their escape from that moon, I can't think of any other possible season ender other than the end of book 2 in the battle over Io.
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flosofl posted:I didn't either. I think I can hear what Cender is talking about, but it sounds more like “no touching” to me, and it may be pareidolia.
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Phobophilia posted:alot of their actions can interpreted as suspicious and hostile on the parts of protogen, the captain of that vessel could very well be trying to fast-talk out of their situation in the same way as kenzo or dresden (the first was successful, the latter were not) What makes you think Protojen has more protomolecule? Season one showed us they needed to find Julie Mao to recover a sample and when they left Eros they went to Thoth.
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Nihonniboku posted:Book with show continuity spoilers: In their reddit AMA, the writers of the books confirmed that season 2 will not conclude with the end of book 2, but they would not confirm where it would end. I desperately hope we don't spend the entirety of the rest of season 2 on Ganymede, but other than that their escape from that moon, I can't think of any other possible season ender other than the end of book 2 in the battle over Io. The advertisements for for season 2 gave away the finale I think. major book 2 spoiler monster in the airlock cam gohmak fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Party Plane Jones posted:To be honest that's not much. The US had Sprint ABM missiles capable of 100g. That's interesting; I hadn't thought to compare it to modern missiles. 20g might've been lowballing it a little, but I definitely remember it being in the 20–30g range. In fairness to the torpedoes, they've got to sustain that acceleration for hours or days, which our missiles don't and can't. Number Ten Cocks posted:I don't think a top acceleration is ever given for any ship or for torpedoes, unless it's in one of the short pieces. The fastest given book acceleration I can recall anyone actually doing is Alex doing 11 or 12g briefly in the Razorback. 8-9g is the more typical briefly sustained OH poo poo WE'RE ABOUT TO DIE speed in the Rocinante. The Roci is also mentioned as getting a speed upgrade mid-series even though the existing base speed was enough to kill everyone just because Alex thought go faster engines would be cool. I'll have to go back and look up the actual passages, but I could've sworn it was in the 12–15g range for the Roci. In any case, the answer for top acceleration pretty consistently boils down to "enough to kill everybody" for ships and "even more" for torpedoes. Toast Museum fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Grand Fromage posted:I relistened a few times and don't hear anything. Anyway I'm pretty sure DON'T loving TOUCH ME! was in all caps in the book so it shoulda been loud if it was in. There's some book background about Julie like the implied (attempted?) sexual assault in her past that I think are missing here and that therefore would leave the DON'T loving TOUCH ME without the same eventual impact and logical connection. From that perspective I see why they left it out, but hopefully they leave in Eros denying access to shaving products.
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Toast Museum posted:That's interesting; I hadn't thought to compare it to modern missiles. 20g might've been lowballing it a little, but I definitely remember it being in the 20–30g range. In fairness to the torpedoes, they've got to sustain that acceleration for hours or days, which our missiles don't and can't. That's not even the quickest missile publicly known, either; the ABM missiles (still) defending Moscow can hit 210g longitudinal and 90g transverse.
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Looking for clarification; if this has been answered in the show please let me know, but if not and/or it's a book spoiler, just say so. Where did the Protomolocule come from and how did it get into the hands of Protogen to begin with?
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timp posted:Looking for clarification; if this has been answered in the show please let me know, but if not and/or it's a book spoiler, just say so. Seeded on an asteroid by an unknown entity and shot like a bullet towards Earth. Think the plot of Prometheus, except instead of a ship delivering the bioweapon, it's a big rock.
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timp posted:Looking for clarification; if this has been answered in the show please let me know, but if not and/or it's a book spoiler, just say so. Mars found weird results while taking core samples of Phoebe during a routine surveying mission and contracted with Protogen for a long-term research project. That research turned up the protomolecule. Protogen believes Phoebe was an extrasolar object intentionally sent to Earth but accidentally caught in Saturn's gravity.
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gohmak posted:What makes you think Protojen has more protomolecule? Season one showed us they needed to find Julie Mao to recover a sample and when they left Eros they went to Thoth. I think they do because it makes the most logical sense. When Protogen first exfiltrated from Phoebe station, it was via the Anubis. While they froze down a sample of PM in a locker, an officer was also infected, they were not properly relieved of duty, and so the PM effectively broke containment and killed the ship. It was a lucky coincidence that Julie delivered the PM direct to Eros station, their planned test site, so they immediately continued with the next phase of their plan. And because Protogen could pull off a controlled exfiltration from Eros station, they no doubt had the opportunity to freeze down another sample of PM for further purposes. timp posted:Looking for clarification; if this has been answered in the show please let me know, but if not and/or it's a book spoiler, just say so. As Dresden said, aliens put a payload of PM on board a rock we now call Phoebe, and fired it at the solar system. By a lucky coincidence, it was captured by the gravity of a gas giant, which was used to explain its weird retrograde orbit. It is unknown when the rock was captured by Saturn, thousands? Millions? Billions of years ago? As for how it got into the hands of Protogen, Phoebe station was a joint Earth-Mars venture, and Protogen represented the Earth side of the equation. As soon as they worked out they found an alien supermaterial, they cut communications to the outside universe and betrayed their partners. And because Protogen were the first to attempt to exploit the stuff, they decided to name it after themselves: protomolecule. That's right, they make first contact with an organism from outside the solar system, and they trademark it.
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he explained it better /\
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That is loving cool, thanks for the explanation everyone. drat this show owns so hard
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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...m-a7585851.html When your favourite TV show starts to leak into real life..
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I should mention, because I don't think it's been stated explicitly, Phoebe is a real moon of Saturn, and it really does have a weird tilted retrograde orbit that suggests it was captured by Saturn's gravity from somewhere else (though probably within the solar system).
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gohmak posted:The Expanse, Season 2: Me crush rear end to dust! I was surprised this wasn't the title when I got around to reading today.
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Phobophilia posted:As Dresden said, aliens put a payload of PM on board a rock we now call Phoebe, and fired it at the solar system.
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Grand Fromage posted:Really? I haven't been able to make out anything clear in the Eros audio. I'm missing the video feed too we're not seeing any of the crazy poo poo. Maybe they're saving it for next week. https://twitter.com/jamessacorey/status/832322966369099780 Last week people were unhappy that the Mormon line wasn't in the show but it was just pushed back to this ep. I'm just gonna assume somebody will enhance the audio in the next episode and they will have plenty of time to be weirded out about it then.
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