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BurritoJustice posted:I just can't wrap my head around how much this fucks everyone that plays the physical game. Cards aren't cheap and they just made a massive amount of decks completely unplayable. Decks they're still selling cards for at this very minute no less Not to mention how non-ignorable this mechanic is. The message is basically if you want to use your extra deck at all play link monsters or go gently caress yourself
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Blockhouse posted:Decks they're still selling cards for at this very minute no less The D/D/D Executives aren't even released - hell, some aren't even revealed yet. In Extra Deck swarm: the archetype. I can't even laugh. Holding out hope for D/D Savant Turing with all 3 back arrows or they're DoA.
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Feb 17, 2017 17:07
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Super glad I quit the physical card game around Synchros
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Feb 17, 2017 17:07
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As someone whoprimarily cares about getting big cool monsters out and playing decks as purely to an archetype as possible this sort of kills the game for me
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Blockhouse posted:As someone whoprimarily cares about getting big cool monsters out and playing decks as purely to an archetype as possible this sort of kills the game for me Why? There are a shitload of archetypes that will now actually be able to compete that were power-creeped out of existence by extra-deck focused decks. Decks that use extra deck monsters as actual bosses instead of glorified stepping stones like Red-Eyes and Dark Magician are barely even affected by the changes.  Infernoids and monarchs are going to get murdered in the first ban-list though. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Feb 17, 2017 17:15
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I stopped playing locals a while ago because I just can't afford to keep getting new decks, but I always like seeing how the meta changes or going on Devpro and messing around with poo poo. This is not a change I care for as someone who likes his dumb boss monsters and the ability to toss out extra deck like crazy. Like I get wanting to not make the extra deck as much of a monster as it is, but this just sounds like the want to center the game around the new card type they made with obtuse mechanics and slowing the game down horribly.
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MiddleOne posted:Why? There are a shitload of archetypes that will now actually be able to compete that were power-creeped out of existence by extra-deck focused decks.
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Captain Baal posted:I stopped playing locals a while ago because I just can't afford to keep getting new decks, but I always like seeing how the meta changes or going on Devpro and messing around with poo poo. This is not a change I care for as someone who likes his dumb boss monsters and the ability to toss out extra deck like crazy. Like I get wanting to not make the extra deck as much of a monster as it is, but this just sounds like the want to center the game around the new card type they made with obtuse mechanics and slowing the game down horribly. I don't want to give a complaint before the thing is out (as I said before, my main complaint is with changing everything in an already-established game, not the actual changes themselves) but this genuinely irks me. The new mechanics basically force you to play Link Monsters if you want to actually use your Extra Deck, otherwise you get one Extra Monster and that's it. Nothing more. I'm not even sure how this is meant to work with Synchro decks that want to use Synchro Tuners, since now you forcefully have to have Linked zones for that. It doesn't seem very well thought-out.
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Feb 17, 2017 17:46
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Boy, I do feel bad for the people who dumped above 500 bucks for Zoodiacs this past weekend.
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Blaze Dragon posted:I don't want to give a complaint before the thing is out (as I said before, my main complaint is with changing everything in an already-established game, not the actual changes themselves) but this genuinely irks me. The new mechanics basically force you to play Link Monsters if you want to actually use your Extra Deck, otherwise you get one Extra Monster and that's it. Nothing more. Link monsters can theoretically provide up to 3 spaces on their own (looking at the design of what is already released) and additionally you can get spaces from your opponent link monsters. It won't become impossible, just more difficult as you'll now be more reliant on non-synchro materials and not messing up your positioning.
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Feb 17, 2017 18:00
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Pretty sneaky. Anyone running a Fusion/Synchro/Xyz deck will have to run Link monsters too in order to stay viable, ensuring sales.
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Feb 17, 2017 18:07
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Captain Baal posted:I don't understand this mechanic or how it works at all it's because we're old i really don't get changing how extra deck summons work after like 20 years of establishing them, this seems like a decision that's gonna kick 'em in the rear end later on
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Feb 17, 2017 18:13
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I for one am glad that Bahamut Shark is getting hit.
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Feb 17, 2017 18:20
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This really cant work without retroactive link-ifying other decks. gently caress me im gonna miss synchro swarms. (But not xyz swarms gently caress those)
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Feb 17, 2017 18:22
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I haven't fully read all these changes; does this make raidraptors/Ultimate Falcon better?
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Rigged Death Trap posted:This really cant work without retroactive link-ifying other decks. Why? So far the links revealed are generic, any deck that can swarm can summon them. Generic Octopus posted:I haven't fully read all these changes; does this make raidraptors/Ultimate Falcon better? Completely screws over the deck with what is revealed so far.
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Feb 17, 2017 18:42
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To complicate matters even further you have monsters like this guy: That enables summoning extra-deck monsters next to him if he's not in the new zones.
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Feb 17, 2017 18:44
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On the plus side, these convoluted rules plus the new Lightsworn support may mean that it's Twilight's turn in the spotlight again.
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Feb 17, 2017 18:57
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MiddleOne posted:Why? So far the links revealed are generic, any deck that can swarm can summon them. Yeah but many decks are starved for space as is, its like the meta tech tax (solemns and the like) except you actually really need them for a deck to function.
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Feb 17, 2017 19:50
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I have a feeling that Fluffals will be able to get away without too much of a hit here since the main method of swarming with fusions is with Sabre-Tooth, who can revive fusions to the main zones..
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Dabir posted:I have a feeling that Fluffals will be able to get away without too much of a hit here since the main method of swarming with fusions is with Sabre-Tooth, who can revive fusions to the main zones.. Fluffals also have easy access to link-monsters through mouse.
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Feb 17, 2017 20:10
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Oh and some decks also have their swarming gated by their extra deck access. So its a crapshoot either way. Some decks wont get affected much, but my beloved synchro turbo decks get screwed. (Again.) (Unless they come out with synchronized links come on it sounds cool do it konami)
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Feb 17, 2017 20:43
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Just wait until we get a Link monster that has really good links but locks you into only synchro summons. Then cry when you have to find space in the extra deck for it.
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I'm probably in the minority, in that I'm optimistic to see how the game shapes up with this new mechanic, buy I'm not gonna sugar-coat it; this sucks for a lot of players, both old and new. It really comes down to how Konami handles the power/spamability of the link monsters, so we'll see.
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Feb 17, 2017 21:33
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I don't think these Link Monsters are going to slow down my Magnet Warriors deck much at all, then again I haven't gotten much of an extra deck for it yet and I'm only using three copies of Imperion Magnum.
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Krakatoah posted:I don't think these Link Monsters are going to slow down my Magnet Warriors deck much at all, then again I haven't gotten much of an extra deck for it yet and I'm only using three copies of Imperion Magnum. Haha, I think not slowing decks like Magnet Warriors is the entire point of how its structured. The mechanic is mostly irrelevant for decks that solely interact with the extra deck for boss monsters and the occasional rank toolbox monster. EDIT:Then I quickly youtubed to see where magnet warrior decks are currently at leading me to this guy and now I'm not so sure anymore. MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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There's at least one deck that relies on the extra deck that won't be bothered much by Link summoning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DEbXornxGg Oops.
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Molmorat might literally be the worst designed card to ever see print which says a lot considering how tall the Yugioh ban list is. EDIT: Like the only redeeming fact about both of those combos are that at least the link mechanic denies further access to the extra deck after they're done. Effectively, making them less egregious than the current iterations of the combo. But at that point the Molmorat player has also gone plus all over the place from a 1-card combo so yeah... MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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Molmorat/Ratpier itself isn't the problem, IMO. It's the fact that it's a Beast-Warrior (Tenki) and that Zoodiac Barrage/Elemental Triangle exist. I still say put Rat to 2 and Barrage to 1, and then the deck loses most of it's power/speed.
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Man zone placement becoming relevant is going to be a huge pain for tournament play, nobody plays with mats with zones on them (especially not ones that have the new zone locations) and it's going to cause a huge amount of confusion/rulesharking.
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BurritoJustice posted:Man zone placement becoming relevant is going to be a huge pain for tournament play, nobody plays with mats with zones on them (especially not ones that have the new zone locations) and it's going to cause a huge amount of confusion/rulesharking. This isn't the first time they tried to make Zone placement "A thing". One just needs to look at Cyberdark Impact
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zone placement is very bad and i'm still not clear on if this new link zone replaces a monster card zone or is in addition to the 5 currently here also what zone the link facing down on the card represents, monsters can't go in the spell zone (usually)
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mandatory lesbian posted:zone placement is very bad and i'm still not clear on if this new link zone replaces a monster card zone or is in addition to the 5 currently here It's in addition, they go between the two player's monster zones. So the arrows pointing down point to a monster zone. If you summon it in a regular monster zone with links, the current theory is that only left and right arrows count.
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AlphaKretin posted:It's in addition, they go between the two player's monster zones. So the arrows pointing down point to a monster zone. If you summon it in a regular monster zone with links, the current theory is that only left and right arrows count. ah okay, that makes sense, thanks
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Me and a few friends went and saw the new Yu-Gi-Oh! movie when it was in theaters, and we were inspired to get back into the game after about 10+ years. So I wanted to build a deck around my favorite card ever, my Red-Eyes Black Dragon! And oh look, there's all these new Red-Eyes cards that make this deck pretty solidly viable, at least in locals! So I found some deck profiles I liked, figured out the rough strategies for them, bought the cards I needed, and finally, just a few days ago, got my main deck finished and 14/15 of my extra deck cards! My friend and I played for a few hours yesterday and it was awesome! Oh hey, there's a Yu-Gi-Oh! thread on SA, let's see what's going on in there, since they definitely know more about this than I do! ..... Oh no. Oh god no. I may have picked the wrong time to get back into the game... 
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You should be good, for a while. The Link stuff won't be coming to the TCG for quite some time.
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Dexie posted:You should be good, for a while. The Link stuff won't be coming to the TCG for quite some time. That's a relief at least. I just hope my deck doesn't get hit too hard when Links come our way.
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Be glad it wasnt during deagon rulers Beeeeee glaaaaaaaaaaaaad
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Red-Eyes should be fine when Links comes around. I don't think it usually has more than one extra deck monster on board at any given time anyways.
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Yeah Red Eyes Fusion literally says "this is the only thing you're doing this turn" so it fits in just fine.
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