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Julio Cruz posted:Tell that to the people who are pissed off at Triple H being in a Mania feud. HHH did not draw, nor did he consistently put on great matches.
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DoctorGonzo posted:Cena shouldnt come back. He already did everything there is to do and now he is a part timer who shouldnt be main eventing. Maybe lose to A.J once and for all. Uhh are you conveniently forgetting Summerslam to bitch about Cena burying AJ? lmao
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bradzilla posted:Uhh are you conveniently forgetting Summerslam to bitch about Cena burying AJ? lmao He won at RR for his bullshit two weeks reign.
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Yeah and then he let Bray get a clean pin on him. I don't know what people want from Cena anymore except "never ever ever win a match".
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DoctorGonzo posted:He won at RR for his bullshit two weeks reign. Bryan's the only one that gets the last win in a Cena feud that isn't Cena, and that's only because he got permanently hosed up before a rematch could happen.
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AJ hasn't been buried at all, he was left as the last guy to fight Bray in the chamber and was involved in the main event match Tuesday but didn't eat the pin. He's also like 38 years old with a back that's being held together by borrowed time, it makes sense to try putting over the 29-yr-old swampman.
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Alain Post posted:HHH did not draw, nor did he consistently put on great matches. You're deluded if you don't think Triple H has put on just as many great matches as Cena has.
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Julio Cruz posted:You're deluded if you don't think Triple H has put on just as many great matches as Cena has. John Cena has had single years with more great matches than HHH's entire career. Maybe 2000 HHH, but he only hit that peak for one year before getting hurt, and coming back a god-awful wrestler.
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Ain't exactly like there were ton of great faces on Smackdown for AJ to lose to either.
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I cant believe aj styles was fricken buried!!!!!
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Ostentatious posted:I cant believe aj styles was fricken buried!!!!! i sometimes like to think that if PSP booked a promotion it'd be complete WWE 50/50 booking out of fear of anyone getting Buried
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Alain Post posted:John Cena has had single years with more great matches than HHH's entire career. Maybe 2000 HHH, but he only hit that peak for one year before getting hurt, and coming back a god-awful wrestler. Pick a Cena year and I'll double his number of great matches with non-2000 HHH ones. Deal?
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Julio Cruz posted:Pick a Cena year and I'll double his number of great matches with non-2000 HHH ones. Deal? 2015, the US title run. e) that's: Cena v. Rollins v. Lesnar (Rumble) Cena v. Rusev (Fastlane) Cena v. Rusev (Extreme Rules) Cena v. Rusev (Payback) Cena v. KO (Elimination Chamber) Cena v. KO (MITB) Cena v. Cesaro (RAW, 6/29/15) Cena v. Cesaro (RAW, 7/6/15) Cena v. Owens (Battleground) Cena v Rollins (RAW, 7/27/15) Cena v. Rollins (SummerSlam) Cena v. Rollins (NOC) Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 19:57 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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i remember the argument with hhh for years was he always needed someone to help him get over (ie chyna, dx, steph)
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In the last ten years what are HHH great matches anyways, Ambrose and Bryan? The Taker matches loving sucked.
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DoctorGonzo posted:In the last ten years what are HHH great matches anyways, Ambrose and Bryan? Remember how loving bad the HHH/Lesnar program was
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I'm remembering HHHs great matches and it seems like most of them use a gimmick. Just an observation.
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Julio Cruz posted:Pick a Cena year and I'll double his number of great matches with non-2000 HHH ones. Deal? 2015, the year the only match HHH had was STANG
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Alain Post posted:2015, the US title run. Wasn't Cena v Sami really good as well, despite Sami loving up his shoulder before the match even started?
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IcePhoenix posted:Wasn't Cena v Sami really good as well, despite Sami loving up his shoulder before the match even started? It was, I'm probably forgetting a shitload of great RAW matches Cena had that year.
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DoctorGonzo posted:In the last ten years what are HHH great matches anyways, Ambrose and Bryan? I will actuall give a shout out to HHH vs Dolph Ziggler after the 2016 Rumble. Wasn't as good as the Ambrose match but better than RR
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Alain Post posted:Remember how loving bad the HHH/Lesnar program was And HHH fishing for sympathy and getting none
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At some point I fully expect HHH to enter himself in a program with Styles to prove he can have a match as good as any of the Cena/Styles matches. (he will not)
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Feb 17, 2017 20:06
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1999-2001 hhh was really good, beyond that I never cared about a single thing he did. that video Max Landis did was spot on because in reality he's just a guy buying into his own hype and smelling his own farts for a long time, case in point his laughable Motorhead tribute when Lemmy died
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Feb 17, 2017 20:08
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So 7-8 then? Have 16 great Triple H matches: vs the Rock, ladder match, Summerslam 98 vs Kurt Angle, Royal Rumble 2001 vs Stone Cold, 2/3 falls, No Way Out 2001 vs Chris Jericho, Hell in a Cell, Judgment Day 2002 vs Shawn Michaels, street fight, Summerslam 2002 vs Shawn Michaels, Hell in a Cell, Bad Blood 2004 vs Chris Benoit, Vengeance 2004 vs Batista, Hell in a Cell, Vengeance 2005 vs Ric Flair, last man standing, Summerslam 2005 vs Randy Orton, last man standing, No Mercy 2007 vs Jeff Hardy, No Mercy 2008 vs Undertaker, no holds barred, Wrestlemania 27 vs CM Punk, no DQ, Night of Champions 2011 vs Undertaker, Hell in a Cell, Wrestlemania 28 vs Brock Lesnar, cage match, Extreme Rules 2013 vs Daniel Bryan, Wrestlemania 30
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DoctorGonzo posted:The Taker matches loving sucked. Yeah I'm not even gonna bother arguing if this is what I'm dealing with, peace out.
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Julio Cruz posted:So 7-8 then? Have 16 great Triple H matches: oldpainless posted:I'm remembering HHHs great matches and it seems like most of them use a gimmick.
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The HHH/HBK matches are unbearable, two guys who love "epics" indulging in their worst "epic match" instincts, and the HHH/Taker and HHH/Lesnar matches sucked rear end. I don't remember that HHH/Orton match specifically but I don't remember them ever having a particularly great match, with the Mania 25 main event being the most egregiously bad one. HHH/Batista was very good though.
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Like HHH and Cena both have bad habits but if I'm watching a wrestling match I'll take Cena's Angle-esque bad "let's wrestle a 25 minute sprint" habits over HHH's "let's have an Epic" boring-rear end habits any day of the week because they're at least fun to watch.
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Julio Cruz posted:Yeah I'm not even gonna bother arguing if this is what I'm dealing with, peace out. Im sorry but hit spot lay on the math for 5 minutes is not a good match.
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Alain Post posted:The HHH/HBK matches are unbearable, two guys who love "epics" indulging in their worst "epic match" instincts, and the HHH/Taker and HHH/Lesnar matches sucked rear end. I don't remember that HHH/Orton match specifically but I don't remember them ever having a particularly great match, with the Mania 25 main event being the most egregiously bad one. Agree with all of this except that the first HHH/HBK match is fantastic
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Julio Cruz posted:So 7-8 then? Have 16 great Triple H matches: he listed 12 and forgot a 13th so you've still got ten to go
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The HHH/Taker matches had 5-10 minutes of asking the ref to stop the match each, only difference was at least Shawn kept it entertaining with his mannerisms. So yeah I guess I'd elevate the HIAC match to good or at least more watchable than the other The best HHH/Taker Mania match is still the first one, the American Badass Taker one where he got mad about his bike
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In fairness I'm kind of cheating because the Cena/Rollins matches are "critically acclaimed" matches I loving hate, like some the HHH/HBK matches, but I loving hate HHH so I'm using every dirty trick in the book (and besides I probably forgot some great RAW matches Cena had that year)
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Also its funny hoy HHH has to bring HBK to put heat on his feuds. But HHH is cooler than Shawn and won the monday night wars!!!!
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HBK is about as big a mark for himself as HHH and not much more successful on top of a promotion but he's at least a significantly better wrestler.
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Alain Post posted:HBK is about as big a mark for himself as HHH and not much more successful on top of a promotion but he's at least a significantly better wrestler. Now we have a problem, pal. HBK is great!
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Most great wrestlers are marks for themselves. Like Bret Hart and CM Punk.
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