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Is it fair to call the protomolecule a weapon that was fired at Earth when [I'll spoiler this just in case because I'm pulling from some book knowledge] I think I remember it was fired at earth something like 2 billion years ago? complex life was still a ways out on Earth at that point. Seems to me that it was more of a terraforming agent. Even if the beings that fired it at Earth were doing so because they didn't want the life that was there to evolve further is it really that much different than, say, killing the bacteria in your toilet so it doesn't get all gnarly
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Tree Dude posted:Is it fair to call the protomolecule a weapon that was fired at Earth when [I'll spoiler this just in case because I'm pulling from some book knowledge] I think I remember it was fired at earth something like 2 billion years ago. complex life was still a ways out on Earth at that point. Seems to me that it was more of a terraforming agent. Even if the beings that fired it at Earth were doing so because they didn't want the life that was there to evolve further is it really that much different than, say, killing the bacteria in your toilet so it doesn't get all gnarly This is how you start an abortion debate.
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Platystemon posted:This is how you start an abortion debate. This would not have happened if the protomolocule had a gun
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Feb 17, 2017 17:57
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All of the Eros transmissions have sounded like noise to me except the screaming as it avoids the Nauvoo. Besides DON'T TOUCH ME, what else has been in the transmissions?
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Feb 17, 2017 18:41
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Phobophilia posted:I think they do because it makes the most logical sense. When Protogen first exfiltrated from Phoebe station, it was via the Anubis. While they froze down a sample of PM in a locker, an officer was also infected, they were not properly relieved of duty, and so the PM effectively broke containment and killed the ship. It was a lucky coincidence that Julie delivered the PM direct to Eros station, their planned test site, so they immediately continued with the next phase of their plan. And because Protogen could pull off a controlled exfiltration from Eros station, they no doubt had the opportunity to freeze down another sample of PM for further purposes. The took all their new samples to Thoth station when they left Eros, which now belongs to Fred Johnson. Protogen has no more Protomolocule.
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Feb 17, 2017 18:47
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It is spelled 'molecule'
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Feb 17, 2017 18:53
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Big Mean Jerk posted:All of the Eros transmissions have sounded like noise to me except the screaming as it avoids the Nauvoo. Besides DON'T TOUCH ME, what else has been in the transmissions? In the show, it mostly sounds like garble to me too. In the book, the feed clearly contains speech. Varying voices, mostly nonsense phrases, lots of repetition.
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Feb 17, 2017 19:18
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flosofl posted:and Holden have no idea if any more are infected or if they are going to broadcast the situation of Eros to Solar System (how do you like it, Holden?) This bit really rang false to me. The question is are they infected. The idea that they'd broadcast the situation and anyone else would get to the asteroid in time to do anything before the surface is slagged down by the explosives is nil. And melting the surface so that people can't dick around with it *after* the Nauvoo smacks into it is the whole point of that plan: that collision will be a giant red flag that there's something really interesting there so they need to prevent people from getting inside while it falls sunward. The possibility that the crew is infected is the *only* danger there, not the fact that they might broadcast "Yo, dudes, strange things are afoot on Eros so stop by for a visit."
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Feb 17, 2017 19:19
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Phanatic posted:The possibility that the crew is infected is the *only* danger there, not the fact that they might broadcast "Yo, dudes, strange things are afoot on Eros so stop by for a visit." They’re explicitly blaming Mars, though. Sure, there are already conspiracy theories that say Eros was attacked by a Martian bioweapon, but if the last and possibly only ship to visit Eros since the disaster makes that claim, that’s kind of a big deal.
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Feb 17, 2017 19:22
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Platystemon posted:They’re explicitly blaming Mars, though. I don't think Holden slags that crew for saying mean things about Mars even if those things aren't true. Holden would broadcast a counterclaim saying it's not Mars's fault and that he's an Earther so you can trust him when he says that. The reason to kill them is that they violated the quarantine and might be infected with an alien bioweapon that could kill every single human if it gets out. But Holden tells them "If you broadcast, more people will come here, I can't allow that," but the bombs he's planting in order to make it useless for more people to go there are going to go off in a few hours, nobody's going to come visiting that soon. It just rang false and unnecessary. Their status as a potential infection vector is (a) enough reason to kill them and (b) sufficiently in question to present the moral dilemma that's got Holden so upset.
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Feb 17, 2017 19:28
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Number Ten Cocks posted:There's some book background about Julie like the implied (attempted?) sexual assault in her past that I think are missing here and that therefore would leave the DON'T loving TOUCH ME without the same eventual impact and logical connection.
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Feb 17, 2017 20:02
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VagueRant posted:Someone jog my memory on this, because whaaaaaat? Miller internally speculated that was the reason she did her martial arts training with the attitude and focus she did and the reason she flipped out and almost won against four guys when they grabbed her on the Anubis. He thinks something happened to make her that way and give her a tough survivor mentality. Who is apparently very averse to being touched against her will. On another subject, after this show ends we need an Amos and Avasarala spinoff. Number Ten Cocks fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Feb 17, 2017 20:16
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Number Ten Cocks posted:
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Feb 17, 2017 20:38
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They really made it on the nose last episode that Amos has now switched to Holden as his moral compass. Not complaining or anything, it's just verrry explicit now.
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Feb 17, 2017 20:59
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The whole thing with Miller and the dead man's switch on the bomb seemed a bit contrived.
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Feb 17, 2017 21:03
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Subyng posted:The whole thing with Miller and the dead man's switch on the bomb seemed a bit contrived. Is this in the books as well? Feels like Miller has more close calls than anyone else.
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Feb 17, 2017 21:59
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Is this in the books as well? Feels like Miller has more close calls than anyone else. Maybe minor book spoiler I guess: There is a dead-man's switch in the books but it is set up intentionally and less contrived IIRC.
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Feb 17, 2017 22:09
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Sarern posted:I would watch 10 seasons of the Avasarala and Amos Show. Skip over plot and just have them host a late night talk show.
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Feb 17, 2017 22:13
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Is this in the books as well? Feels like Miller has more close calls than anyone else. Yes and no. It's still a bit spoilery: There's no problem with the bombs in the book; they're all placed basically without issue, and there's no ship for Holden to agonize over shooting down. Miller simply decides he's had enough and stays on Eros. He's hanging out, looking at the beauty of space and listening to the Eros feed, when the Nauvoo misses. The dead man's switch is then set up intentionally as part of plan B.
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Feb 17, 2017 22:14
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There's something about Avasarala's voice that bothers me. Not the sound of it... the cadence of her speech, maybe? I dunno. I'll see myself out.
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Feb 17, 2017 22:22
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Is that her actual accent or is she doing one for the show? Alex's accent is still all over the map and great.
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Feb 17, 2017 22:43
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Tree Dude posted:There's something about Avasarala's voice that bothers me. Not the sound of it... the cadence of her speech, maybe? I dunno. I'll see myself out. Yeah, her delivery is a little off. Her accent sounds like a real Iranian accent.
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Feb 17, 2017 22:44
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The dialogue is a little dry and those Earth gov war commitee scenes felt super stiff... I don't think she was really enjoying herself on set or it just wasn't working and kinda phoned it in. That being said, her voice kinda carries it on it's own.
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Feb 17, 2017 22:48
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So my biggest question now is... why hasn't the thread title been changed to "The Mormons are going to be pissed" yet?
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Subyng posted:Yeah, her delivery is a little off. Her accent sounds like a real Iranian accent. Eiba posted:So my biggest question now is... why hasn't the thread title been changed to "The Mormons are going to be pissed" yet? Thread starter fell out the airlock and hasn't been seen since 
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Baronjutter posted:Is that her actual accent or is she doing one for the show? Actual accent, remember BEHRUUUUZUH from  ? 
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Svaha posted:To be fair, that's exactly the way Shohreh Aghdashloo talks IRL. She places emphasis on odd syllables like a female Iranian Christopher Walken. OP wouldn't have the power to change it anyways. We need a mod
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Feb 17, 2017 23:57
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How did she cultivate such an amazing voice? Tons of smoking?
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Sarern posted:I would watch 10 seasons of the Avasarala and Amos Show. Yes! Zorak of Michigan posted:Skip over plot and just have them host a late night talk show. Hell yes!
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Baronjutter posted:How did she cultivate such an amazing voice? Tons of smoking? quote:"It's been like this for at least thirty years," the sixty-two-year-old says of her gravelly baritone. She laughs, recounting that after she hit puberty in the Shah's Tehran, her voice thickened to the point that her parents joked she was her younger sibling Shahryar's "big brother."
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Feb 18, 2017 00:36
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Shohreh Aghdashloo missin' out on those big ASMR YouTube bucks.
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Feb 18, 2017 00:38
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I'm alive, I just normally can't watch on Wednesday so I avoid spoilers pretty hard. Can't actually figure out how to change the thread title, just the post content. What am I missing?
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Feb 18, 2017 01:35
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A mod
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Tree Dude posted:There's something about Avasarala's voice that bothers me. Not the sound of it... the cadence of her speech, maybe? I dunno. I'll see myself out.
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Feb 18, 2017 02:16
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To be fair all of the UN related dialogue is awful, which is out of her control.
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Feb 18, 2017 03:49
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gohmak posted:The advertisements for for season 2 gave away the finale I think. major book 2 spoiler monster in the airlock cam Yeah, I mean if you want a cliffhanger for next season that could do it, I can think of a few other things happening at around that time in the book with various characters that would be at least passable. I wouldn't mind them throwing a curveball and moving parts of the end of book 2 up so they happen earlier, that could be pretty effective.
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NowonSA posted:Yeah, I mean if you want a cliffhanger for next season that could do it, I can think of a few other things happening at around that time in the book with various characters that would be at least passable. Book spoilers:I just want to see the loving ring.
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NowonSA posted:I wouldn't mind them throwing a curveball and moving parts of the end of book 2 up so they happen earlier, that could be pretty effective.
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Feb 18, 2017 07:04
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This demands to have the outro music from Curb Your Enthusiasm played over it.
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Nihonniboku posted:Book spoilers:I just want to see the loving ring. Book spoilers:The ring rising out of Venus would be a pretty good cliffhanger if they can keep the story about it going in the background.
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