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mfcrocker posted:That goes for a fair number of the socialist parties, sadly There's the SWP, Gerry Healy's old mob the Workers Revolutionary Party, who else? Is it in fact all Trots who cover up rape? Probably not, seems like an inevitable consequence of groups who want to be the Vanguard Party and thus demand tight discipline which means no criticism of the leadership even when they are intensely wrong. ThomasPaine posted:My girlfriend is involved with a small communist group thing. They're apparently under no illusion about how little clout they have but really they just seem to like reading and chatting to each other. Anyway they still try to get out there occasionally to have a small presence by organising talks and protests and whstnot. But by christ do they hate the SWP, who apparently barge in on everything and try to take credit for the moderately successful things while ruining everything else. Apparently they actually have a bunch of money and resources and people to do this, which surprises me because I always assumed it's membership was in the double figures at best. I wonder where it comes from? Yeah, this has always been one of the main criticisms of the SWP, they don't really have much in the way of numbers but have always been very good at setting up front organisation with more mainstream figures and then taking control of them behind the scenes. And then not really achieving very much because most of the left kind of hates the SWP. Pretty sure the first time I ever heard of them would have been around the time of the big Iraq War marches, the activist/comedian Mark Thomas said something about how they were doing their usual with the Stop The War Coalition. There's a bigger conversation to be had about the far left and it's inability to just loving get on with it that probably comes down to a mix of the highly centralised party structure combined with reading far too much into the Bolshevik/Menshevik split without any actual understanding of it all.
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Prince John posted:Edit: On a completely random tangent, is there anyone familiar with Scots who knows what 'priens' are? Since no one else picked this up - it's most likely a variant on preen meaning pin which makes sense in the song as the first in a series of increasingly valuable material temptations. Comedy answer - a 'buckie preen' is a winkle.
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44% of the people who currently say they would vote Labour don't even want Corbyn as PM. That's about as damning a statistic as you could realistically have in how little Corbyn is liked. ukle fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Feb 17, 2017 20:21
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ukle posted:44% of the people who currently say they would vote Labour don't even want Corbyn as PM. That's about as damning a statistic as you could realistically have in how little Corbyn is liked. Like I said earlier, British people by and large want a racist as PM.
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ThomasPaine posted:My girlfriend is involved with a small communist group thing. They're apparently under no illusion about how little clout they have but really they just seem to like reading and chatting to each other. Anyway they still try to get out there occasionally to have a small presence by organising talks and protests and whstnot. But by christ do they hate the SWP, who apparently barge in on everything and try to take credit for the moderately successful things while ruining everything else. Apparently they actually have a bunch of money and resources and people to do this, which surprises me because I always assumed it's membership was in the double figures at best. I wonder where it comes from? I was never an SWP member but I think I remember a former member (who left in the exodus after the Comrade Delta rape scandal) saying they used to get a bunch of cash from the unions. I'm not 100% on that, but there it is.
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Pantsuit posted:Like I said earlier, British people by and large want a racist as PM. I'd rather say that Labour's 'truth in the middle' immigration policy is the worst of both worlds. Even in their recent regional immigration policy proposal they said to protect ares where all those drat forreins drain the local hospital/school budget instead of going, you know what, gently caress this bullshit the tories are literally killing people with their politics, not immigrants. The typical "I'm not racists but brown people can stay in their land to die, preferably by british bombs, thank you very much" people will vote conservative anyway. But that would require them to make a stand and we all saw how that worked recently. edit: also http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-immigration-voters-eu-nationals-stephen-crabb-white-paper-a7562466.html quote:Under David Cameron, and with Theresa May as Home Secretary, the Conservative government failed in its pledge to reduce immigration to the “tens of thousands”. There were 335,000 net migrants to Britain in June 2016. 335.000 people in one month? That sounds a bit high, let's search for that figure... https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...yreport/dec2016 quote:The reporting period for the International Passenger Survey data in this release is for year ending (YE) June 2016 and therefore these data cover the year prior to the EU Referendum (apart from 1 week). Entry clearance visa, National Insurance number (NINo) and labour market data are available to the end of September 2016 and therefore include 3 months of data following the EU Referendum. Uh ... drat FAKE NEWS GUYS AM I RIGHT?!?!?!? Junkozeyne fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Feb 17, 2017 |
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Oberleutnant posted:I was never an SWP member thats just the sort of thing a member would say!!
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JFairfax posted:thats just the sort of thing a member would say!!
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49% of the country prefer TM for PM, which you think is brutal and a failure of Corbyn. 52% voted for Brexit which you think is a disaster and should be avoided at all costs. What do you think the overlap on those demographics is? You want to ignore them on one issue but delight in the other where you agree with them?
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Lord of the Llamas posted:49% of the country prefer TM for PM, which you think is brutal and a failure of Corbyn. 52% voted for Brexit which you think is a disaster and should be avoided at all costs. What do you think the overlap on those demographics is? You want to ignore them on one issue but delight in the other where you agree with them? Neither 52% of the country nor 52% of those eligible to vote voted for Brexit.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:49% of the country prefer TM for PM, which you think is brutal and a failure of Corbyn. 52% voted for Brexit which you think is a disaster and should be avoided at all costs. What do you think the overlap on those demographics is? You want to ignore them on one issue but delight in the other where you agree with them? I'm not delighted with how bad Corbyn is I think it's a loving tragedy.
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Can we get an actual competent left please? Like, a socialist-democratic party or something I donno. Can't we just import politicians from some nordic country or w/e?
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We don't have a competent right, we just have far-right newspapers willing to forgive them anything as long as they follow their tune. Better continue being turkeys voting for Christmas.
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Pochoclo posted:Can we get an actual competent left please? Like, a socialist-democratic party or something I donno. Can't we just import politicians from some nordic country or w/e? I'm sure someone will rise up and win a leadership election against Corbyn and then win a general election. I am confident there is definitely someone within the Labour Party who can do this and maybe even people in this thread can correctly name them.
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not delighted with how bad Corbyn is I think it's a loving tragedy. That you have in common with Conservative and UKIP supporters.
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Pochoclo posted:Can we get an actual competent left please? Like, a socialist-democratic party or something I donno. Can't we just import politicians from some nordic country or w/e? There are very few people in politics who actually are social democrats at this point. I dunno, maybe it's the curse of a hundred years of increasing eagerness to collaborate with capital (& selling out the rest of the left to work with liberals at pretty much every opportunity) that has ended up with it being a poorly represented ideology these days. So no, I'd rather have a competent left which is actually socialist, which doesn't think it's role is merely to to mitigate the very worst excesses of capitalism while doing nothing about the root causes of poverty, inequality, homelessness, underemployment, etc. If we're fantasising about having a competent left we may as well have a not-poo poo competent left while we're at it.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:That you have in common with Conservative and UKIP supporters. Conservative and UKIP supporters think it's tragic how badly labour is being lead?
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forkboy84 posted:There are very few people in politics who actually are social democrats at this point. I dunno, maybe it's the curse of a hundred years of increasing eagerness to collaborate with capital (& selling out the rest of the left to work with liberals at pretty much every opportunity) that has ended up with it being a poorly represented ideology these days. While I agree with your sentiment, I also think that the US did a loving great job of demonising communism/socialism (conflated for convenience) to the point where people will automatically go "lol failed ideology, Venezuela, North Korea, Stalin". Nevermind that we haven't actually had a really socialist government in the modern world ever. With social-democrats at least you can point at the (now dwindling) successes of the nordic countries and say "see, these guys did pretty well, it kinda works alright", and people might actually vote for something like that. Again though, I agree, and I'd love some sort of super leftist and progressive mega-charismatic Anti-Trump to pop up and somehow make people stand up for good stuff instead of racism and making the rich richer.
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Evening UKMT. Do you remember Pigeon Street? BBC kid's cartoon from the early 80s? Well, guess what's making a comeback on indiegogo? (not a paid shill, just desperately want to see the results of the campaign)
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Pochoclo posted:Can we get an actual competent left please? Like, a socialist-democratic party or something I donno. Can't we just import politicians from some nordic country or w/e? There was a social democratic party that split off Labour few decades ago, that's why lib dems now have the dem part in their name. It didn't work out very well. I wouldn't call the competent or particularly leftwing even.
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Lord of the Llamas posted:49% of the country prefer TM for PM, which you think is brutal and a failure of Corbyn. 52% voted for Brexit which you think is a disaster and should be avoided at all costs. What do you think the overlap on those demographics is? You want to ignore them on one issue but delight in the other where you agree with them? LMAO after arguing all that about correct ways of dealing with polling data you apply this sort of analysis? This is hilarious. You're a walking dunning-kruger, you know that right?
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Fangz posted:LMAO after arguing all that about correct ways of dealing with polling data you apply this sort of analysis? This is hilarious. I am interested in your interpretation. What do you think is the overlap between people who voted Brexit and people who support TM?
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Wow I only just noticed the saurus got perma'd after taking the mask off. What a post. Amazing example of someone letting their shadow take over.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Wow I only just noticed the saurus got perma'd after taking the mask off. What a post. Amazing example of someone letting their shadow take over. Got a link?
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Kokoro Wish posted:Got a link? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796979&pagenumber=5313&perpage=40#post469034149 It's a doozy.
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Regarde Aduck posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796979&pagenumber=5313&perpage=40#post469034149 I feel for his poor, floorpizza-eating wife.
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Regarde Aduck posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796979&pagenumber=5313&perpage=40#post469034149 easy-lols
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John Curtice on Labour's support and referendum voting patterns - the whole piece is worth reading, but the final two paragraphs makes the key point: http://ukandeu.ac.uk/is-labours-brexit-dilemma-being-misunderstood/?platform=hootsuitequote:So, a substantial minority of 2015 Labour voters in Labour-held seats in the North of England and the Midlands did vote to Leave. But it is no more than a minority. Indeed, it is not much bigger than the proportion of Conservative voters in Conservative-held seats who voted for Remain (37%), a group whose continued loyalty to their party might also be thought to be potentially vulnerable in the wake of the Brexit vote.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't think that guy always posted in good faith. I get that. He stated that it was because "he gets probated for anything" or some such. But he was obviously a dickhead and like with any "trolling" there's always hints of truth that come through. People that use "jew" as a verb for stealing, for example, may be doing so ironically but such people are unlikely to be well adjusted or particularly care about anti-Semitism. The Saurus may or may not believe the trash he wrote but it is certain that he's a big jerk.
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Jose posted:Paul nuttal loves lying about stuff eh He's a moron.
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Regarde Aduck posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3796979&pagenumber=5313&perpage=40#post469034149 e: happy pop song to wash that poo poo out of your mind  , give her another view on top of the 97 million she already has (i think she might be forrin though) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rey3m8SWQI
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ukle posted:44% of the people who currently say they would vote Labour don't even want Corbyn as PM. That's about as damning a statistic as you could realistically have in how little Corbyn is liked. Personally I both like him and think he'd make a bad PM. I kind of fantasise that he'll endorse a successor to prevent a bunfight on the left. Filboid Studge fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Feb 18, 2017 |
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