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TomViolence posted:I genuinely don't even know why American foreign policy ghouls have it in for Iran. Perhaps they don't know either and it's just some grudge they inherited from the Bush years. I mean, I know they pretty much lust for brown death, but the special hard-on of hate they have for Iran is just kind of perverse even by their standards. Iran kicked out their puppet during the cold war and they never got over it. It's similar to how they're so fuckin' bitter about Cuba.
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Tesseraction posted:Iran kicked out their puppet during the cold war and they never got over it. It's similar to how they're so fuckin' bitter about Cuba. I'm always surprised by how close Cuba is to Florida when I see it on a map. Sitting there, taunting them.
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Tesseraction posted:Iran kicked out their puppet during the cold war and they never got over it. It's similar to how they're so fuckin' bitter about Cuba. I like how instead of any kind of Machiavellian realism or realpolitik or whatever, American foreign policy is driven almost entirely by spite.
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Pochoclo posted:Most of Europe is white as gently caress though so it kind of begs the question, are the racist brexiteers going to be happy once they realise that most of the immigrants they didn't want actually come from outside the EU? Oh, I wasn't even thinking about the skin colour funnily enough, I was more just thinking about how Brexit is going to be very English centred.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Anyone who wants a war with Iran is either ignorant or actively blood thirsty. I'm really reassured then.
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Pochoclo posted:Most of Europe is white as gently caress though so it kind of begs the question, are the racist brexiteers going to be happy once they realise that most of the immigrants they didn't want actually come from outside the EU? That's why the Tory's have specifically tied cutting student visas to reduce non-EU migration into their Brexit immigration control plans
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A very good post on why you never, ever want to invade Iran. Basically, think Afghanistan, except that every other fighter in the inevitable insurgency is going to have a MANPADS rather than their grandad's ancient RPG.
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jBrereton posted:Pesto basically single handedly destroyed Northern Rock lol I didn't get the reference immediately and I was sitting here like, "heh investing all their money in toxic italian pesto debt"
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Darth Walrus posted:A very good post on why you never, ever want to invade Iran. Ah there's the post, cheers. I should really bookmark it. Long story short: invading Iran would be self-genocide.
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Darth Walrus posted:A very good post on why you never, ever want to invade Iran. All you have to do is capture their Hearts and Minds innit. Like by bombing weddings. Then putting posters of corpses as 'psyops' to discourage people from opposing you. It worked fabulously well in Afghanistan after all. Insurgency, what insurgency? It's only been 16 years. Actually it did probably work and after the first couple months they likely figured out a way of doing that to not make people into martyrs. Still the name is funny in a grim sort of way, particularly because the mind part mostly consists of bribing people to do what you want.
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Dabir posted:[citation needed] Anyone saying he single handedly brought down Northern Rock is talking out of their arsehole, but he certainly brought about the run on the bank, along with the person from the BoE who leaked the information to him that he reported. Tesseraction posted:Long story short: invading Iran would be self-genocide. So we should probably do it then?
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Tesseraction posted:Long story short: invading Iran would be self-genocide. Who's to say Trump actually cares about invading/holding Iran? If all you want is to destroy their presence on the world stage you could just drop cruise missiles on anything resembling a government until it turns into another failed state in an endless multiple-way civil war.
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jabby posted:Who's to say Trump actually cares about invading/holding Iran? If all you want is to destroy their presence on the world stage you could just drop cruise missiles on anything resembling a government until it turns into another failed state in an endless multiple-way civil war. it'd be far better for the world if we did this to the US, with nukes
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TomViolence posted:I genuinely don't even know why American foreign policy ghouls have it in for Iran.
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It does have a lot to do with kicking out the Shah and also embarrassing the CIA by taking hostages in the embassy crisis.
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JFairfax posted:It does have a lot to do with kicking out the Shah and also embarrassing the CIA by taking hostages in the embassy crisis.
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I don't know, I think they still have a grudge against Haiti for the slave rebellion
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Nah that's just ~neo-colonialism~ in action.
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jabby posted:Who's to say Trump actually cares about invading/holding Iran? If all you want is to destroy their presence on the world stage you could just drop cruise missiles on anything resembling a government until it turns into another failed state in an endless multiple-way civil war. And like I said Russia might have something to say about that. Russia would probably laugh off a ground invasion because they know how hosed the invading force would be, but Trump kicking the nuclear football for the first time over 70 years might be a greater justification for retaliatory strikes. It should be noted that one of the people touted for Flynn's vacancy is very obsessed with a) invading Iran and b) kicking all other seats of the UN Security Council so it's just America with a veto. Trump hates Iran because he's been spending too long shittalking Obama's nuclear deal, the shitheads he's surrounded himself with are the ones with the true boners for invading it.
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Darth Walrus posted:A very good post on why you never, ever want to invade Iran. Volkerball posted:Trump is not in government and is never going to be so I don't even know where you're going with this. His thoughts are irrelevant. And it's been made pretty clear that he's a unique character who's views aren't representative of much when it comes to the gop. Especially given how contradictory all his statements are. We're not going to war with Iran. lmao
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This article about Middle England which was linked on wikipedia frontpage is pretty annoying: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_England Hurr durr "the moral majority" with "strong work ethic and a highly developed sense of conscientiousness. " and "mainstream English and to a lesser extent British people, as opposed to minorities of all types (the rich or the poor, ethnic minorities, gays and lesbians, the politically active, the intelligentsia, etc.)". Private Speech fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Feb 19, 2017 |
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Iran looks like a really nice place to visit.
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Fangz posted:LMAO after arguing all that about correct ways of dealing with polling data you apply this sort of analysis? This is hilarious. 
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big scary monsters posted:Iran looks like a really nice place to visit. It really does.
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big scary monsters posted:Iran looks like a really nice place to visit. There's a reason that part of the world is called the Fertile Crescent - lots of nice green bits.
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Yeah, reading A Short Walk in the Hindu Kush made me extra sad about what a bad state Afghanistan is in. The area described, Nuristan, was at the time considered one of the most beautiful places in the world but I believe it's currently about the most dangerous and deprived part of the country.
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A friend of mine visited Iran with his Iranian fiancé and it indeed looked amazing on their pictures. Coincidentally her cousin who lives in the US doesn't dare to visit family in Iran anymore for fear of not being allowed back in because Trump is a human sack of poo poo
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big scary monsters posted:Iran looks like a really nice place to visit. Maybe not if you ever want to get let into the US again though.
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Blasmeister posted:Maybe not if you ever want to get let into the US again though. But why would you want that?
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Blasmeister posted:Maybe not if you ever want to get let into the US again though. I decided about 15 years ago that I never needed to visit the US again and I can't say that anything since then has made me want to change my mind.
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JFairfax posted:I don't know, I think they still have a grudge against Haiti for the slave rebellion Haiti was French.
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Didn't stop most of the Western world ganging up to gently caress them over for daring to have a slave rebellion.
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Apparently Corbyn has arranged for a 10,000 sample poll to find out if he should gently caress off or not - anybody got more info on this?
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The Guardian posted:“The whole thing is absolutely top secret - no-one is supposed to know about it,” a Labour insider said. Sounds like a riveting story in the making. Corbyn isn't an idiot, he knows he can't leave until the rules get changed to allow a left-wing candidate. That's the bottom line.
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TomViolence posted:I genuinely don't even know why American foreign policy ghouls have it in for Iran. Perhaps they don't know either and it's just some grudge they inherited from the Bush years. I mean, I know they pretty much lust for brown death, but the special hard-on of hate they have for Iran is just kind of perverse even by their standards. Embassy hostages probably. Plus we are friends with the Saudis.
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jabby posted:Sounds like a riveting story in the making. ...you mean another candidate who cannot command the support of many labour MPs, right?
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feedmegin posted:Haiti was French. I know, but the USA still didn't like the rebellion, tried to stop it and has acted p. badly to Haiti ever since.
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jabby posted:Sounds like a riveting story in the making. What needs to happen is for the out of touch / hey lets protest vote to feel good types who created corbynismo to begin with can't be allowed to continue to get their way.
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