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exquisite tea posted:FWIW this is kind of why the romances in Bioware games have always come off as bizarre and downright skeezy to me at times. You're taking something like sexuality and gamifying it so that there are rulesets for how you can get each character to like you, what dialogue choices to make so that they'll eventually wanna gently caress, the apex of your achievement being when they do actually say let's gently caress, and so on. Most of the romanceable characters rarely fight you back, or challenge your opinions, or refuse to sleep with the PC even if they do something totally opposed to what that character believes in. It's just a weird gamey delivery system for players to privately get their rocks off with alien spacebabes instead of trying to imagine how a romantic relationship might actually function in a responsive way. This is confirmed by posters who are really into Bioware romances here historically being really well-adjusted and totally not at all weirdly obsessive about their space waifus. Solas even breaks up your relationship on his own. And he has clear motivations/his own agenda apart from the player character. New Ryders are looking good. After the gameplay trailer, I'm cautiously optimistic about Andromeda.
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Torrannor posted:Solas even breaks up your relationship on his own. And he has clear motivations/his own agenda apart from the player character. this is why romancing solas is the best option imo also what i liked about romancing alastair if you try to king him, in that case it is possible to keep the relationship, but you have to actually argue for it and justify it
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Feb 19, 2017 20:31
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:Why do all the female chars look kinda strange and hosed up compared to the male chars? Goons don't seem to be used to seeing a woman that isn't 2D and on a pillow case.
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Feb 19, 2017 20:51
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Torrannor posted:New Ryders are looking good. After the gameplay trailer, I'm cautiously optimistic about Andromeda. They are the same as before. The only change in those character kits was the lighting settings. Lighting has a massive effect on how a person/character looks.
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Sun Wu Kampf posted:Why do all the female chars look kinda strange and hosed up compared to the male chars? They all look hosed up and that's because we're seeing 3D models without the right lighting/shaders to make them work.
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Feb 19, 2017 21:33
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Can you change both of the siblings faces or just the one you run around as? (Story spoiler)And didn't I hear somewhere that the other sibling gets messed up somehow and that's why they can't be a squad member? It'd be funny if their faced gets horribly scarred or burned and they look the same no matter how you design them.
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Feb 19, 2017 21:39
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Schubalts posted:They are the same as before. The only change in those character kits was the lighting settings. Lighting has a massive effect on how a person/character looks. Anyone who has played ME should already know this because it's crazy how different characters look when they are on the character creation screen rather than when you first load up the game
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Feb 19, 2017 21:41
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Dexo posted:Anyone who has played ME should already know this because it's crazy how different characters look when they are on the character creation screen rather than when you first load up the game And the ME character creator was downright good compared to the Inquisition one in regards to the lighting.
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Feb 19, 2017 21:52
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Hobo Clown posted:Can you change both of the siblings faces or just the one you run around as? Yes. You can edit the one you will play and then your sibling. Dad will most resemble the one you play.
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Hoping some of the old races are still in the mp, wanna play me some Geth
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Flipswitch posted:Hoping some of the old races are still in the mp, wanna play me some Geth We know there are Krogan, Asari, Turians and Salarians in the MP from that promotional image they put out a while back. I really, really doubt we'll get the Geth thougg
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Feb 19, 2017 22:25
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More likely you'll get mechs or Remnant machines who play the same way. If they bring Geth into MP at launch people will complain Bioware is "lazy" for not coming up with something new. Of course, if it plays too different people will complain that they didn't just bring the Geth back, screw the lore. Bottom line, I expect Geth may get added to a "don't think too hard about it" multiplayer pack as a companion piece with Quarians at some point.
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Feb 19, 2017 22:28
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Yeah that's fair, can already seeing the points saying we're going to another galaxy to end up with a squad from the milky way, I just think the Geth and Quarians are the best aliens Bioware has come up with in the series.
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marshmallow creep posted:Bottom line, I expect Geth may get added to a "don't think too hard about it" multiplayer pack as a companion piece with Quarians at some point.
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Flipswitch posted:Yeah that's fair, can already seeing the points saying we're going to another galaxy to end up with a squad from the milky way, I just think the Geth and Quarians are the best aliens Bioware has come up with in the series.  This one feels that you are mistaken.
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Geth are also like the single lore species you couldn't justify (along with the Awakened Collector I guess). Everyone else could feasibly have tagged along for shits and giggles but the Geth are literally at war with all the milky way species when they launched the initiative (especially since they 'attacked the Citadel' with Sovereign) and they would have 0 reason to cooperate if they did end up in Andromeda. You could probably still have them as an enemy faction if you said they just sent out a ship to explore andromeda like one hundred years previous for some reason. But that'd be weird and kinda dumb. On the other hand they did the Awakened Collector in ME3 along with the Cerberus dudes so 
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I can see a dlc centered on Geth appearing in Andromeda, and working with Quarians who traveled on the Nexus to find out how they got there; in conjucture with new Geth and Quarian multiplayer characters.
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The easiest way to bring Geth and other minor races to multiplayer is that they are there as training models in simulations. It's a pretty simple handwave. Though I'd like them to just say "geth are awesome here they are in multiplayer." "Oh and batarians punching faces like ripe watermelons? Them too!"
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Feb 19, 2017 22:47
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The biggest stumbling block for adding things to multi is basically going to be if they exist as models in the game and can be repurposed like EDI/the Geth/Volus etc. I'm pretty sure the only things added to multi that never appeared in SP are the Collectors which were ported from ME2. I'd expect a lot of random Andromedan races and more variations on confirmed species before we'll see old poo poo they need to make new models for. I mean, hell; the Drell model is just literally Thane, Volus is the generic Volus, Infil model is EDI etc. Zore fucked around with this message at 22:55 on Feb 19, 2017 |
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exquisite tea posted:FWIW this is kind of why the romances in Bioware games have always come off as bizarre and downright skeezy to me at times. You're taking something like sexuality and gamifying it so that there are rulesets for how you can get each character to like you, what dialogue choices to make so that they'll eventually wanna gently caress, the apex of your achievement being when they do actually say let's gently caress, and so on. Most of the romanceable characters rarely fight you back, or challenge your opinions, or refuse to sleep with the PC even if they do something totally opposed to what that character believes in. It's just a weird gamey delivery system for players to privately get their rocks off with alien spacebabes instead of trying to imagine how a romantic relationship might actually function in a responsive way. This is confirmed by posters who are really into Bioware romances here historically being really well-adjusted and totally not at all weirdly obsessive about their space waifus. Very true. It's why I summed up BG2's cast as I did, because they do all those things. They don't just fall into CHARNAME's arms. They push back, challenge your opinions and leadership, and each character that you can romance will break things off if you say things they dislike and there may be tension between party members and their previous/concurrent relationships. Meanwhile, in their more recent releases, you just basically press x to continue down the path.
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Milky Moor posted:Bioware's characters aren't exactly realistic. They're cinematic personalities designed to make the player feel good and rarely, if ever, act against the protagonist or demonstrate initiative on their own. Origins might have been the one game where it seemed like Bioware made an actual deal about character sexuality and the greater world, but it's become increasingly strange to see certain relationships gated behind gender as their games have gone on. I'm sorry, but are you saying Femshep CAN'T romance Tali???  You could have loving fooled me. I had no idea. If that's true that's so goddamned weird.
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Drifter posted:I'm sorry, but are you saying Femshep CAN'T romance Tali??? Nope. FemShep has most of the dialogue with Tali that MShep does, I think missing two conversations down in Tali's room and then an actual romance scene. If you romance Garrus in 3, you can catch a drunk Tali in Citadel fantasizing about a threesome.  Supposedly, Tali and Thane had been planned to be bi romance options for 2 but were cut late in development.
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marshmallow creep posted:More likely you'll get mechs or Remnant machines who play the same way. If they bring Geth into MP at launch people will complain Bioware is "lazy" for not coming up with something new. Of course, if it plays too different people will complain that they didn't just bring the Geth back, screw the lore. I'm sorry, but if Andromeda doesn't have a story hook where one or more Geth didn't smuggle themselves aboard the ships because they were curious then gently caress Bioware. 
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Zore posted:Geth are also like the single lore species you couldn't justify (along with the Awakened Collector I guess). Everyone else could feasibly have tagged along for shits and giggles but the Geth are literally at war with all the milky way species when they launched the initiative (especially since they 'attacked the Citadel' with Sovereign) and they would have 0 reason to cooperate if they did end up in Andromeda.
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Standing by my belief that all remaining Milky Way races are coming in as part of a DLC. Bioware has mentioned once or twice that there's a hook to bring geth/volus/batarians in if they want to and I'm pretty sure that'll be a result of an emergency Ark launched as a contingency plan mid-ME3
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Pattonesque posted:Standing by my belief that all remaining Milky Way races are coming in as part of a DLC. Bioware has mentioned once or twice that there's a hook to bring geth/volus/batarians in if they want to and I'm pretty sure that'll be a result of an emergency Ark launched as a contingency plan mid-ME3 Ahhh yes, Mass Effect DLC. For when you want to gently caress new aliens, but also get hosed by Bioware.
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i for one embrace this brave new world of 14.99 dlc waifus and.. well i dunno what the term is for guys so we'll call them "waidudes" fuckpacks? snuggleboxes? barrel-o-dicks? e: OOOH chock full o nuts!
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Mp dlc was all free so I am not sure what you guys are railing against?
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marshmallow creep posted:Mp dlc was all free so I am not sure what you guys are railing against? Why would they need story hooks to bring in extra characters if it's just for MP? The story hooks would be necessary for story dlc.
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marshmallow creep posted:Mp dlc was all free so I am not sure what you guys are railing against? I was being sincere i wouldnt buy any multiplayer anything packs or anything though. just like ooh a cool spacehelmet or ohh the james t kirk melee combat pack yay..
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Drifter posted:Ahhh yes, Mass Effect DLC. The only new thing you can gently caress in a ME3 DLC is James. Drifter posted:Why would they need story hooks to bring in extra characters if it's just for MP? The story hooks would be necessary for story dlc. Because like ME3 the MP is tied into the story? Like... there's a bunch of lore and poo poo they tied into multi and from all indications they're doing that again.
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Zore posted:The only new thing you can gently caress in a ME3 DLC is James. And Javik.
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Cythereal posted:And Javik. Man, Citadel HEAVILY implied that femshep and javik banged. I just wanted to not bang anybody, Bioware...why'd you force this poo poo upon me? Zore posted:Because like ME3 the MP is tied into the story? Like... there's a bunch of lore and poo poo they tied into multi and from all indications they're doing that again. I always assumed the ME3 multiplayer was what I did as a single player during Citadel, except with real people instead of bots. Are there "story missions" in the multiplayer, or do they just tie it into the game through play points or some such?
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Really, the Geth seem like the race that'd be easiest to sneak onto the Andromeda project. They just need to sneak however many programs they can into some corner of a huge government project, then they can 3D print themselves new bodies when they arrive. Or en route, maybe we get all the new tech from bored AI brainstorming jetpacks for a couple centuries.
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You play as teams Hackett is dispatching to combat Cerberus/the Reapers/Reaper controlled Geth as part of the war effort. All the original multi maps show up as missions in Single player (Firebase White is a Cerberus lab Shepard raided, MP dudes are sent in as a strike team to do X as followup etc). It also effects the endings you can get in SP as the more missions you do the better the war goes so more war assets count towards the finale. Like on release you could only get the Shepard lives ending by playing a bunch of multi because they're weren't enough war assets in the base game alone. Hell you can retire a max level character and they become a permanent SP war asset like Jack or Kirrahe etc. They've similarly said the Andromeda multi will be about teams doing things in locations Ryder scouted and you get SP bonuses for playing multi. Zore fucked around with this message at 00:12 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Though to be clear, they have also said multiplayer does not affect endings or anything like that. It is purely for getting goodies as far as SP is concerned.
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Drifter posted:Ahhh yes, Mass Effect DLC. Just you wait, Bioware will hit all the creep points in DLC and make it so you find out that you and your sibling are not blood related. That's why they're making DadRyder only have resemblance to your character and not your sibling.
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Some of the later multiplayer maps were repurposed from other singleplayer areas (eg London), or from stuff that didn't make release (eg Rio).
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Thor-Stryker posted:Just you wait, Bioware will hit all the creep points in DLC and make it so you find out that you and your sibling are not blood related. I unironically want Bioware to cross the incest threshold and have people defend it.
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