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Re: GKR chat, The design was a mutual work of both the team at Weta and Cryptozoic. Initial world concepts and objectives were given to CZE, their in-house design came up with first versions, and things went back and forth with them and Weta for a while with both sides playtesting and modifying. There was also a period in which design was being done with augmented reality components from a third party, but that got dropped at some point I believe, at least for now.
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Speaking of giant robots, Giga-Robo sent out a big "where are we now? update. The tl;dr version is that after getting dicked on trying to find someone to handle fulfillment they're getting individual fulfillment companies by region and once they lock it down in Australia and New Zealand they'll be launching the pledge manager, they have a survey up about releasing KS exclusive minis to everyone instead of simply being exclusive as well as if people would be okay with having a pilot that was supposed to be an expansion incorporated into the main game itself at no extra cost to either backers or the MSRP of the retail version (I have no idea why anyone would object to this but I'm sure someone will), and apparently over December enough people cancelled pledges and asked for refunds due to the holiday crunch that they actually had to roll back on a stretch goal. Fortunately it was for custom card sleeves which I couldn't give less of a poo poo about, and they say that the leftover remainder of the not-quite-enough funds will be incorporated into other parts of the project. Also in order to help speed along project completion when it comes to the unique card art stretch goal they've decided to go with cel-shaded CGI models for the artwork, similar to what Arc System Works did with Guilty Gear Xrd. Speaking of something that isn't giant robots, I just got a shipping notice for Millennium Blades: Set Rotation.
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Feb 17, 2017 03:10
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So Pinnacle just announced it's first delayed physical shipment...ever, I think? It turns out their distribution warehouse is Knoxville, TN which is currently in the middle of a flu outbreak bad enough that they're closing local schools and it made national news, which is both totally understandable and also awful for the workers+ families.
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Feb 17, 2017 03:29
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Millennium Blades is shipping! Can't wait to add in even more cards to my pile of cards.
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Feb 17, 2017 05:17
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Merauder posted:Re: GKR chat, Ugh they dropped the augmented part? That sucks. Their ideas of using iPads to display what the world would look like and things you could see/do while playing the board game were neat.
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Feb 17, 2017 06:10
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Mr.Trifecta posted:Ugh they dropped the augmented part? That sucks. Their ideas of using iPads to display what the world would look like and things you could see/do while playing the board game were neat. Yeah, it was a pretty rad concept, but was majorly hampering progress. They had too many parties trying to do too many things pulling resources in too many directions, and as far as I can tell, decided to just streamline it and make it a sound table top game first and foremost. I got a chance to playtest one of the AR builds, and the biggest benefit it really gave was allowing there to be a pre-programmed movement system in a synced up game with your opponent instead of a traditional turn-based movement phase. It was cool because, similar to games like X-Wing, you didn't know exactly where your opponent was going to move next, so planning your turn was a bit more difficult strategically. Aside from that though, they had weird stuff like treating some weapons like digital mini-games (firing a bunch of ballistic missiles & in turn defending against the barrage were both little activities on your phone, and at least to me, didn't add much to the experience). Again, purely beta builds and kind of proof of concept tests only, not indicative of what other goals they may have had or what may have otherwise become a final product, but there you go. I think it's for the best, overall.
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Feb 17, 2017 06:19
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I guess at least the Terminator KS is promising P&P in the future, but why bother even starting the KS two days earlier (and it's not like The Terminator is a hot commodity atm) when the totality of your gameplay section is this: "Gameplay xx2 We will be uploading a gameplay video and print and play on February 17th, so stay tuned! In the mean time, you can learn about our game design team:" You know what priorities a KS has when it uses up most of the page showing pics of Minis rather than, you know, the actual game.
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Feb 17, 2017 13:25
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Is there anyone in the UK or EU who hasn't received their Apocalypse World 2e books yet? I'm in the UK and still haven't gotten my softcover.
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Feb 17, 2017 19:15
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Terminator Print and Play stuff was released. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/evildead2/the-terminatortm-the-official-board-game/posts/1810343 Demo stuff plus video.
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Feb 18, 2017 01:33
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Lemon-Lime posted:Is there anyone in the UK or EU who hasn't received their Apocalypse World 2e books yet? I'm in the UK and still haven't gotten my softcover. On the UK, no book yet for me either.
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Feb 18, 2017 04:24
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Flavivirus posted:On the UK, no book yet for me either. Cool, thanks - I'm guessing he's not done shipping them yet, then.
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Feb 18, 2017 09:47
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Any good trpg KS other than the Watch? Also, am I wrong in feeling the female and queer representation in the Watch feels tacked on. Like I know I'm opening myself up to an arguement, but, as a bi man, I always felt works that said they'd representing us somewhat lackluster in that aspect. Like, I don't know exactly what I want, but I always preferred how AW did it were it was just there as an option with no comment. Making a big deal out it always felt like it was sayinf we were not normal, you know? Like that it was special and they deserve reward for doing what should just be expected.
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Feb 18, 2017 20:18
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Don't think I saw it mentioned in the last page or two, but Backerkit for The Other Side is open with a late pledge option (listed in link): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1334239018/the-other-side-9/posts/1810313
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Feb 18, 2017 20:58
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Covok posted:Any good trpg KS other than the Watch? I mean it was written from the ground up to be about female and femme non-binary folks fighting an evil darkness that corrupts men - that's a super core part of the game. I was listening to a podcast with Anna Krieder last week and she was saying it was also her attempt to make a standard military low fantasy war story than centered women, as in her experience those stories were normally 100% male - maybe you're seeing the war element overriding the representation element?
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Feb 19, 2017 00:38
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hey guys did you know there are badly run kickstarters other than Far West https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1811029 to be honest, I think this is a new record - using a different KS to screw up another KS that hasn't even been launched yet.
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clockworkjoe posted:hey guys did you know there are badly run kickstarters other than Far West Holy poo poo, a suicide attempt ?
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Wow. I hope the guy recovers and I'm glad he didn't succeed. I also hope GMS doesn't try to kill himself over Far West.
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Feb 19, 2017 09:49
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clockworkjoe posted:hey guys did you know there are badly run kickstarters other than Far West I'm not quite sure what to feel about all this besides, obviously, that I'm glad someone didn't manage to kill themselves and that I hope they get the help they need, but I strongly suspect that using someone's attempted suicide to browbeat unsatisfied Kickstarter backers by going "look what you did, this is your fault" is an insanely lovely and tasteless thing to do, like even beyond most normal standards for elfgame-related lovely tastelessness.
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Feb 19, 2017 10:03
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Kai Tave posted:I'm not quite sure what to feel about all this besides, obviously, that I'm glad someone didn't manage to kill themselves and that I hope they get the help they need, but I strongly suspect that using someone's attempted suicide to browbeat unsatisfied Kickstarter backers by going "look what you did, this is your fault" is an insanely lovely and tasteless thing to do, like even beyond most normal standards for elfgame-related lovely tastelessness. A good portion of the commenters on the update don't even believe a suicide attempt happened, they trust Kevin that little after all that's been done. Most of the others are complaining about the update in one way or the other. And at least some of them are blaming Kevin for the whole thing, which doesn't seem entirely unfair to me.
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senrath posted:A good portion of the commenters on the update don't even believe a suicide attempt happened, they trust Kevin that little after all that's been done. Most of the others are complaining about the update in one way or the other. You'll also notice that nowhere in that update does Kevin at any point express remorse for deciding to let his friend wander into a minefield of angry customers of Kevin's own creation. No "I'm sorry I allowed things to get to this point," no "I should never have let him do this," it's everyone else's fault but never his own.
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Feb 19, 2017 10:23
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Kai Tave posted:I strongly suspect that using someone's attempted suicide to browbeat unsatisfied Kickstarter backers by going "look what you did, this is your fault" is an insanely lovely and tasteless thing to do, like even beyond most normal standards for elfgame-related lovely tastelessness. So just another day in the life of Kevin Siembieda then
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NTRabbit posted:So just another day in the life of Kevin Siembieda then Even by Sembiedian standards this is a new low.
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If you go back through the comments you find the posts from the other guyquote:So why me and Rogue Heroes for the Rifts: Board Game. A few years ago when things were going good and Wave 1 was just releasing Kevin was thinking about doing a Rifts board game and was looking to either do it himself or sell the IP rights to someone who could. Ninja Division either didn’t want to do it or was not asked, I really do not know. But in talk with me about finding the misprints in the rulebook for RRT Kevin let it slip that the IP rights for the Rifts: Board Game were available. I had just sold my first board game to another company for a big chunk of money and asked my wife if she would let me risk it on getting the IP rights for the Rifts miniatures and board games. She said yes. So the dude is out a whole lot of money and opportunity, he comes back to see what's happening, and discovers Kevin's poisoned the well for him spectacularly. Poor guy I hope he recovers.
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Feb 19, 2017 11:38
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So it essentially comes down to Kevin Siembieda being an irredeemable scumbag of massive proportions to anyone and everyone, as it suits the needs of his ego
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Feb 19, 2017 11:49
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xiw posted:If you go back through the comments you find the posts from the other guy His initial foray into the comments section actually goes on quite a bit longer: quote:Hello Everyone The bolded bit is it seems what people objected to, whether it was intended or not it comes across as someone basically saying "if you gently caress with me I'll make sure that this other project crashes and burns instead of helping it like I totally want," to which several commenters pointed out that Robotech Tactics has already spectacularly failed and there's almost certainly no salvaging it. I'm not really sure I want to speak ill about someone who apparently just attempted suicide but I'd call this an ill-conceived approach to garnering support given the circumstances.
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Feb 19, 2017 11:54
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Isn't that the exact same language that KS used in his first big 'blame the backers' rant? What a loving shithead. I have no sympathy.
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Feb 19, 2017 15:02
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It's a very sad state of affairs regardless of Kevin's recounting, Carmen's a very passionate and enthusiastic individual and to have taken it that deeply and personally is not out of the question.
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Feb 19, 2017 17:27
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Kai Tave posted:The bolded bit is it seems what people objected to, whether it was intended or not it comes across as someone basically saying "if you gently caress with me I'll make sure that this other project crashes and burns instead of helping it like I totally want," to which several commenters pointed out that Robotech Tactics has already spectacularly failed and there's almost certainly no salvaging it. I'm not really sure I want to speak ill about someone who apparently just attempted suicide but I'd call this an ill-conceived approach to garnering support given the circumstances. He doubles down on a later comment. Carmel Bellaire aka Rogue Heroes Studio posted:
Those are some poorly chosen words, to be sure.
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Feb 19, 2017 17:32
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I got to meet Carmen Bellaire at last year's GenCon and hear his pitch for the Rifts Board Game at the time. He seemed really passionate about it at the time, and the mock-up models looked pretty nice. There are definitely reasons to be skeptical, most of them typical of any first-time kickstarter project, but the Robotech RPG Tactics kickstarter probably isn't one of them. Looking over things, it looks like Bellaire was taking it on the chin for a long time on the Palladium boards because of people's justifiably strong feelings over the failure of Robotech RPG Tactics. Considering some the harassment he was taking, I can definitely see how he let things get out of hand. Siembieda's usual response to this sort of criticism is disengagement. Bellaire did the opposite, and was left acting on his own as a result. Part of the main issue is the Siembieda - and Palladium Books as a whole - has never really built a professional culture. In most normal companies, you'd have somebody that handles PR and manages the company's voice. At Palladium Books, that's effectively Siembieda, and Siembieda overshares and overshills in a way a lot of people are familiar with. Once upon a time, Maryann Siembieda took up that role, but she's gone now. And that's basically been Bellaire's example from Siembieda, just having to do "straight talk" to the fans, who have been unrelenting and angry for their own understandable reasons. And to be fair, Bellaire's name is on the RPG Tactics box. So that means he's a target, even though he's a freelancer and doesn't have direct control over what Siembieda does or doesn't do regarding it. Bellaire recently stepped beyond a line of professionalism more than once, but he works in a company where that's the absolute norm. That doesn't excuse it, but he's also been put in the middle of a million-dollar fiasco without the support he needed. Siembieda lashing out at critics given the situation is understandable as well. I don't think it's right to rake him over the coals on it at this point. Is his reply unprofessional? Yes, but that should be no surprise. But I don't think he'd manufacture something like this. I don't think he's capable of it. Whether or not he chooses to reflect on whatever responsibility he and Palladium Books may have in this is a personal matter. We don't know everything and frankly, Siembieda likely told us more than we needed to know in the first place. It's deeply tragic and hopefully Bellaire comes out of this okay, but I think right now is probably not the best time to take Siembieda to task over it. I realize it may sound like I'm trying to eat my cake and still have it afterwards, but I'm just trying to put forth an understanding of the situation as best I can.
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Yeah, I think that's a fair assessment. I've lost people to suicide in the past, it really sucks in every way imaginable, so I do hope the guy makes a full recovery. I've gone over the comments on the RRT kickstarter page that started all this, and I'd agree with you that Carmen Bellaire really wasn't equipped to handle this sort of thing. It would have been a monumental task for anybody, given the frustration and anger there. That said, there were only a couple users whose responses were what I'd describe as over the line, and those only just so - some others expressed sympathy for the guy and the situation he's found himself in. It's unfortunately for a lot of reasons, but I don't see how he could have received any other reaction.
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Bear in mind this kind of thing wasn't limited to the kickstarter thread - there were people grilling Bellaire on the Palladium forums simultaneously to all of this. It's a little surprising to see, because usually they'd put the kibosh on that kind of thing in the past, but I guess the anger over the kickstarter has gotten beyond their ability or willingness to contain.
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Failed Kickstarter drama deserves it own A&E show as they appear to be filled with social rejects, deadlines, poor business decisions, and of course demanding customers. The AvP thread on Reddit is full of people who got screwed by a company that delivered to retail and now want the backers to pay a higher price. For me the issue is that many of those games never make it to retail. Scythe has me changing my mind on Kickstarter. have backed a dozen or so projects, but skipped scythe thinking I would pick it up later. Now I cannot force myself to buy the lesser quality game or pay the $200 price it would take to buy the game with all nice components.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:Bellaire recently stepped beyond a line of professionalism more than once, but he works in a company where that's the absolute norm. That doesn't excuse it, but he's also been put in the middle of a million-dollar fiasco without the support he needed. Siembieda lashing out at critics given the situation is understandable as well. I don't think it's right to rake him over the coals on it at this point. Is his reply unprofessional? Yes, but that should be no surprise. But I don't think he'd manufacture something like this. I don't think he's capable of it. Whether or not he chooses to reflect on whatever responsibility he and Palladium Books may have in this is a personal matter. We don't know everything and frankly, Siembieda likely told us more than we needed to know in the first place. It's deeply tragic and hopefully Bellaire comes out of this okay, but I think right now is probably not the best time to take Siembieda to task over it. This is where you and I part ways. Sembieda had every opportunity to tell his passionate employee-slash-friend "hey, maybe don't go jumping on the bonfire that I'm responsible for creating through my own negligence" but instead he let him do so and effectively threw him in front of a bus full of angry, irate customers to take hits intended for Sembieda himself, and then when the end result of all of this is apparently a suicide attempt what does Kevin do? Go "hot drat, this is the perfect thing to go throw in my angry backers' faces!" Not take a moment to reflect on the enormity of what his terrible business practices have potentially cost him, not shutter everything to deal with a personal tragedy, not apologize...he uses this person's near-death as something to, once again, deflect the blame away from him and onto something else.
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We'll have plenty of time to judge and process what happened here as time goes on, but we don't know how this ends yet. I think it's best to take a step back focusing on Siembieda's failures, past or present, and just realize he's still a human being who's coping with the possible loss of a friend. There will always be opportunities to take Siembieda to task. We know this. But I think that, this time, it's best to let it go.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:We'll have plenty of time to judge and process what happened here as time goes on, but we don't know how this ends yet. I think it's best to take a step back focusing on Siembieda's failures, past or present, and just realize he's still a human being who's coping with the possible loss of a friend. There will always be opportunities to take Siembieda to task. We know this. But I think that, this time, it's best to let it go. Ah yes, "we shouldn't take incredibly lovely people to task because reasons," the ballad of 2017. Not that I expect it would make a difference anyway since Sembieda's long since proven that he doesn't actually have anything resembling a sense of shame. I'm sure the various slings and arrows of the people he's not only bilked but now blamed for driving his colleague to suicide will be as ignored as the rest of their complaints since, as you yourself pointed out, Sembieda's response to criticism is to simply disengage and shift blame.
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Feb 19, 2017 21:25
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Kai Tave posted:Ah yes, "we shouldn't take incredibly lovely people to task because reasons," the ballad of 2017. You should know I'm not saying that. I just think it's important to pick your battles, and I don't think this one has any winners.
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Ropes4u posted:Failed Kickstarter drama deserves it own A&E show as they appear to be filled with social rejects, deadlines, poor business decisions, and of course demanding customers. The AvP thread on Reddit is full of people who got screwed by a company that delivered to retail and now want the backers to pay a higher price. For me the issue is that many of those games never make it to retail. A crowdfunding show on CNBC or Discovery or History seems super appropriate. Mix in some success stories with stories of failure or drama with either result and it'd be golden. Hell, I'm sure all of the tech and product Kickstarters would be enough to generate their own show as they're full of their own fresh hell.
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I think that when someone's first reaction to a friend's attempted suicide is "how can I use this to bludgeon my haters with?" that battle-lines have more or less already been drawn. I've got no personal stake in it since I wouldn't back a Palladium project even if someone paid me to and I have no plans to start haranguing Sembieda, nor do I personally know Carmen, but neither do I especially feel the need to restrain myself from saying that someone willing to use the attempted suicide of a friend in this manner is the scum of the earth. That backer update wasn't something hastily whipped off in grief and confusion, that's the work of someone who sat down and thought to themselves "how can I milk this tragedy so that it benefits me, Kevin Sembieda?"
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I don't know or care about any of this drama but I don't really read that guy's post (which is the only thing I'm aware of) as some sort of opportunistic hardline attack on the haters. I also don't think that telling people to shut the gently caress up because my friend almost killed themselves after they called him names on the internet is something that is necessarily a cold-blooded business maneuver so much as someone posting emotionally, which while not wise or necessarily endorsable, is not immediately and irrefutably Evil Business. Maybe if I had some skin in the game here I'd see that he's really a boardgame supervillain.
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