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I'll usually concede if I'm in a no-win situation, like Iona on blue against my mono-blue deck with no outs. The exception is if my opponent is playing very slowly. Then screw 'em. Ninja edit: Interestingly enough, I've beaten Iona on blue as Blue Tron several times. Never lost to it, in fact. Turns out Mindslaver is colorless.  Moral of the story: Don't Gifts for Iona unless it's actually good. Gifts for value against the value decks.
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Lunsku posted:The first list: I guess that's one way to beat the mill matchup
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Elyv posted:suicide jund is such a weird loving deck and it vaguely confuses me that it's apparently good Also how does a good player get a draw with it?
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I genuinely don't understand why you're allowed to play Sensei's Diving Top in Legacy
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sit on my Facebook posted:I genuinely don't understand why you're allowed to play Sensei's Diving Top in any format that's not Vintage Legacy is the last place you can play an actual (good) blue control deck and the worry is that if you ban Top, Miracles stops being a deck and legacy devolves into combo versus prison like vintage. Ban Top.
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Elyv posted:suicide jund is such a weird loving deck and it vaguely confuses me that it's apparently good It's mostly just a Jund Delirium deck that has the Death's Shadow/Temur Battle Rage combo as a finisher. It reminds me a bit of Twin, kinda - a fundamentally fair deck that happens to be able to present an instant kill.
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Also, Sensei's Divining Top is the greatest card ever printed and should be legal in all formats. However, in addition, slow play should be strictly enforced and punishable by death.
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Rinkles posted:Also how does a good player get a draw with it? Your opponent plays slow as hell, gets his Iona, but doesn't have enough time to close the game. For one scenario.
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Slow play rules should be a thing completely independent of Top's existence and legality. If you want to play your durdly rear end deck, play it fast.
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Attorney at Funk posted:Also, Sensei's Divining Top is the greatest card ever printed and should be legal in all formats. However, in addition, slow play should be strictly enforced and punishable by death. I find this to be a more than acceptable compromise position.
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Top is the single biggest mistake WOTC has ever printed. It's god damned miserable.
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TheKingofSprings posted:People have actually won by their opponent conceding on the spot when they combo off without having their combo mainboard so this is poor form didn't lsv like X-0 a tournament doing this
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mandatory lesbian posted:didn't lsv like X-0 a tournament doing this He split the semifinals, which was all people who knew that he didn't actually have his Tendrils in his sideboard to Wish for IIRC.
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mandatory lesbian posted:didn't lsv like X-0 a tournament doing this Yea he forgot to put the Tendrils (?) in his sideboard and played most of the day with opponents scooping in response to "I cast wish?".
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suicidesteve posted:He split the semifinals, which was all people who knew that he didn't actually have his Tendrils in his sideboard to Wish for IIRC. what about before then tho, what was his final record
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Gerry just conceded and then drew into the top8 to qualify for the pro tour. Go Gerry.
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Sickening posted:Gerry just conceded and then drew into the top8 to qualify for the pro tour. Go Gerry. He was already Gold. sit on my Facebook posted:To put my devil's advocate hat on for a second, competitive anything is gonna involve scummy opponents sometimes, and being able to persuade judges is a vital skill for competitive play because even if everyone is acting in good faith you're gonna have to do it occasionally. I agree with this but it should be up the judges to police poo poo like this. It's bad for the game. Imagine if something like this happened in a feature match at the pro tour?
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Eela6 posted:Top is the single biggest mistake WOTC has ever printed. It's god damned miserable. That's a bold statement considering Mental Misstep is a card that exists.
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ThePeavstenator posted:That's a bold statement considering Mental Misstep is a card that exists. Top is worse for Magic than Misstep is.
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mcmagic posted:Top is worse for Magic than Misstep is. Spotted the Eldrazi player
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TheKingofSprings posted:Spotted the Eldrazi player Nah I don't play eldrazi.
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mcmagic posted:Nah I don't play eldrazi. Spotted the Manaless Dredge player
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Just saw the Digital Next thing, I can't be bothered to actually follow this, can someone just tell me if I should cash out of MTGO? I dont even really have any money in it besides shocks fetches and snapcasters.
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Terrible Horse posted:Just saw the Digital Next thing, I can't be bothered to actually follow this, can someone just tell me if I should cash out of MTGO? I dont even really have any money in it besides shocks fetches and snapcasters. My piss poor advice is to cash out now, if MDN turns out to kill Modo you're up, if it's a watered down duals clone thing then you can just buy back in and it won't affect prices.
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C-Euro posted:True, but if I'm playing against Ad Nauseam and I know the combo's coming I'm not going to ask my opponent to riffle through their deck; if I know I'm dead I'll just let them pick up their whole deck and make sure they pitch enough lands. If I think I can beat them mid-combo I'm just going to make them reveal cards one by one until I make my move. Also I'm just paranoid about handing my deck over to my opponent unless I get hit by something like Bribery that explicitly states "search your opponent's library". You should make them reveal their whole deck so you can look for any spicy changes from the standard deck / see what they boarded in, but that guy is a scumlord and I cannot believe that a judge ruled that way with lethal damage on the stack.
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sit on my Facebook posted:I genuinely don't understand why you're allowed to play Sensei's Diving Top in Legacy I've gone to time in legacy two times in the literal hundreds of matches and one was a player intentionally slow playing to a game 3 draw and a judge was tooooo loving lenient and once was a terrible miracles player where again, a judge didn't really give a poo poo. I've mindslaver decked people in about 50 matches and have killed people with punishing fires from 20 multiple times, too, so I'm prone to potential slow play. Bad miracles players vs other bad miracles players fucks up the clock and since it's the control wet dream, has basics, and is mostly uncommons for the core functionality it gets a lot of bad players.
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Sigma-X posted:a player intentionally slow playing to a game 3 draw If someone is deliberately playing slow, that's stalling. Slow Play is when they are playing slow and need a fire lit under their rear end.
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mcmagic posted:I agree with this but it should be up the judges to police poo poo like this. It's bad for the game. Imagine if something like this happened in a feature match at the pro tour? Another question worth considering is if it had happened on camera, would the judge have felt pressured to rule differently/more harshly?
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mcmagic posted:Top is worse for Magic than Misstep is. This is wrong. Top is a great card. Maybe one of the best cards.
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Archenteron posted:
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And it's practice for eventual Battle of Wits play, shuffling a 150 card deck.
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No Luck Needed posted:went 3-1 for a FNM with a 237 card Battle of Wits deck during Ravnica/Time Spiral Standard. Only lost to Dragon Storm. Beat Zoo, B/U Control, and I believe Orzhov agro Everyone knows 242 is the correct number for Battle of Wits.  Errant Gin Monks posted:This is wrong. Top is a great card. Maybe one of the best cards. Agreed. Personally I'd go with every phyrexian mana or delve spell that see play (aside from Logic Knot and Murderous Cut) being much, much worse than Top. Dig Through Time got Lodestone Golem restricted and put vintage in the sorry state it's in now. 
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suicidesteve posted:Personally I'd go with every phyrexian mana or delve spell that see play (aside from Logic Knot and Murderous Cut) being much, much worse than Top. Dig Through Time got Lodestone Golem restricted and put vintage in the sorry state it's in now. What about Death Rattle?!
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No Luck Needed posted:went 3-1 for a FNM with a 237 card Battle of Wits deck during Ravnica/Time Spiral Standard. Only lost to Dragon Storm. Beat Zoo, B/U Control, and I believe Orzhov agro What is this?
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Dig Through Time is my friend and I wish for it's freedom
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TheKingofSprings posted:Dig Through Time is my friend and I wish for it's freedom Dig Through Time is real. It's strong. And it's my friend.
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