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EugeneJ posted:Richter didn't want to drop the belt, so they sent Moolah out there under a mask to take it by force
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Go RV! posted:Ok, so, I've got a bit of a weird question. Jeff Hardy vs Sting [Victory Road 2011] https://youtu.be/Tp5f_CyaF3o
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Charlie Haas vs Grizzly Redwood And there's a bunch of youtube videos of weird old matches with cornette commentary like so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZT3Lo-aKI
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Eddie Kingston vs Tim Donst during Donst's rookie year in Chikara. There used to be a montage of Eddie just stiffing the crap out of him on Quack's orders. Samoa Joe vs Necro Butcher in IWA-MS. Joe faces Necro after Necro roughs up some of ROH's students. Match is a loving brutality exhibition.
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Isn't there also a New Jack match where he whips some 60 year old wrestler with a chain and almost gets arrested? Im aware this could be one of multiple New Jack matches.
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Beer_Suitcase posted:Isn't there also a New Jack match where he whips some 60 year old wrestler with a chain and almost gets arrested? Im aware this could be one of multiple New Jack matches. Seventy. He also shanked a dude in a hardcore match cuz the dude didn't wanna bleed.
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Beer_Suitcase posted:Isn't there also a New Jack match where he whips some 60 year old wrestler with a chain and almost gets arrested? Im aware this could be one of multiple New Jack matches. Ayup
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Both of the Tanahashi/Shibata matches from 2014 definitely fit the bill. Shibata walked out of NJPW to do MMA when the company was at its nadir, and after Tanahashi spearheaded NJPW's revival, Shibata walked back into the company and regained his place on the card as though he'd never left. That really pissed off Tanahashi, and it especially shows in their G1 match where Tanahashi pretty much works heel against Shibata.
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Mickie Knuckles vs. Mike Levy, IWA-MS Queen of the Deathmatch 2008 Self-proclaimed "Internet wrestling sensation" Mike Levy goes up against Mickie at outdoor IWA-MS show in a rather messy, stiff deathmatch. Par for the course really - lots of Mickie Knuckles beating up a guy who's pretty clearly untrained and winning, so far so typical deathmatch. But everything pretty much goes to hell in the post-match when promoters Tank, Devon Moore and ultimately Ian Rotten himself come out and decide to give Levy lessons in "how to sell", for the apparent reason that this guy gave Mickie a "knot" on her head that could ruin her chances on National TV. This was around the time that she had a very short run as Moose in TNA (cut short due to injury). Of course, the question is: If you were actually concerned about such things, why on earth would you book Mickie Knuckles in a deathmatch tournament to begin with? Anyway...yeah, this certainly fits as one of the scummiest wrestling matches of them all. The whole thing's bad, but the involvement of Ian Rotten's son kinda takes the biscuit... (Should be noted that this is basically assault so...yeah, kinda NWS) Kim Justice fucked around with this message at 00:53 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Koji Kitao vs. Nobuhiko Takada. Koji Kitao is a disgraced Yokozuna with a history of hot-headed bad decisions and acts of rebellion, Takada is an egomaniac that kicks hella hard. Takada brought Kitao into his own promotion, UWFi, to job after a hard fought battle that would - ideally - give Takada publicity and Kitao legitimacy. After the publicity was generated for the match and tickets were sold, Kitao threatened to back out unless the finish was changed to Kitao going over. He held out for more money, until Takada's people gave the right number to make the match end in a draw. A few seconds into round 3, Takada makes one of the most satisying decisions he's ever made.
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LvK posted:Koji Kitao vs. Nobuhiko Takada. Koji Kitao is a disgraced Yokozuna with a history of hot-headed bad decisions and acts of rebellion, Takada is an egomaniac that kicks hella hard. Kitao also responded to being talked down to about working light by an indy worker named Preston Steele by chokeslamming him so hard it separated Steele's shoulder. Supposedly for a couple years after the incident, Steele regularly saw signs that said "Steele Fears Kitao" and the like. RacistGuidingLight posted:Seventy. He also shanked a dude in a hardcore match cuz the dude didn't wanna bleed. Is that the mass transit incident or a different one? The latter I mean. The 70 year old was Gyspy Joe.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Kitao also responded to being talked down to about working light by an indy worker named Preston Steele by chokeslamming him so hard it separated Steele's shoulder. Supposedly for a couple years after the incident, Steele regularly saw signs that said "Steele Fears Kitao" and the like. Different. Mass Transit was an underage kid who hoodwinked Heyman into getting booked.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4nlN0mvXCcbleacherreport posted:Before Tenta was battling the likes of Hulk Hogan, he was a sumo wrestler.
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I find the Tazz/Awesome match particularly interesting because how much red tape did there have to be to make that possible? I know ECW was basically dead by then, and WCW was nearing the end, but it's still pretty surreal that it happened during the wrestling climate of the 3 warring promotions.
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sticklefifer posted:I find the Tazz/Awesome match particularly interesting because how much red tape did there have to be to make that possible? I know ECW was basically dead by then, and WCW was nearing the end, but it's still pretty surreal that it happened during the wrestling climate of the 3 warring promotions. Heyman leveraged some make goods to pull it off
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sticklefifer posted:I find the Tazz/Awesome match particularly interesting because how much red tape did there have to be to make that possible? I know ECW was basically dead by then, and WCW was nearing the end, but it's still pretty surreal that it happened during the wrestling climate of the 3 warring promotions. He had the goods legally on WCW so it was agreed Awesome would return to drop the belt. He decided it'd be a good idea to have Tazz win it and the WWF was like "sure we'll loan him to you..." and then had him lose to HHH during the week he was ECW champ because Vince is smart and Heyman is dumb. Once the agreement with WCW was signed the WWF end wasn't difficult.
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MassRafTer posted:He had the goods legally on WCW so it was agreed Awesome would return to drop the belt. He decided it'd be a good idea to have Tazz win it and the WWF was like "sure we'll loan him to you..." and then had him lose to HHH during the week he was ECW champ because Vince is smart and Heyman is dumb. Once the agreement with WCW was signed the WWF end wasn't difficult. Please don't praise nazi fascist boosters
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Kitao's promotion to yokozuna was also a huge embarrassment even before the assault. He was promoted without winning a single yusho in makuuchi, and never won a tournament as yokozuna either.
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What does shooting on a wrestler mean?
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It means that one wrestler isn't playing along and is actually fighting for real.
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It can also be used in the context of promos and interviews as something unscripted, off-the-cuff, and genuine. Essentially "shoot" means anything "real" and "work" means anything scripted or "fake". There are also "worked shoots" which are scripted events designed to imitate shoots (CM Punk's famous "Pipe Bomb" segment, and many, many Russo segments at the end of WCW's lifespan which were overused to the point of absurdity).
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Basically everything you need to know is right here: https://twitter.com/hulkhogan/status/125437560418865152?lang=en Much love HH
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The only match on the list of notable behind-the-scenes stories in this discussion that doesn't ring a bell to me is the Intercontinental Elimination Chamber. What's the story with it?
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IIRC the story was supposed to be that Sheamus' pod was stuck and he was trapped in it, only to reaveal that he had done it on purpose to come out later in the match. Then Mark Henrys pod opened early, and they just went with it and that ruined the flow of the match. It was also just a pretty bad match.
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It's not really a behind-the-scenes drama kind of story. They were considering eliminating the Chamber altogether, because it was expensive to set up and could only fit into arenas without those huge hanging jumbotron / scoreboard things in the middle. But they brought it back for a "Network special", before WWE had committed to their model and it was essentially a house show (see also: Roadblock). The actual match itself is a disaster because Mark Henry's pod door gets destroyed accidentally (by Ziggler I think?) and he's not much of a "psychology" guy or a "movement" guy, so he was left horribly exposed, dumped into the match way before planned.
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rotinaj posted:The only match on the list of notable behind-the-scenes stories in this discussion that doesn't ring a bell to me is the Intercontinental Elimination Chamber. What's the story with it? Rusev was out from an injury and replaced by Mark Henry very last minute. At one point Barrett through Dolph through Henry's pod by accident, well before he was supposed to be in the match, and nobody knew what to do. The entire thing turned into Ring General loving Dolph Ziggler loudly yelling spots at people as they all stood around like deer in headlights, and featured people breaking up pins in an elimination match because they didn't know how else to fill time. There's no real controversy to it, it's just an awkward, unfortunate thing.
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rotinaj posted:The only match on the list of notable behind-the-scenes stories in this discussion that doesn't ring a bell to me is the Intercontinental Elimination Chamber. What's the story with it? Long story short: Daniel Bryan got concussed into retirement and had to vacate the IC belt. They set up a Chamber match with a bunch of midcard guys who were varying degrees of heatless. Rusev got injured and couldn't make the match, so they put Mark Henry in his place. Match itself is going just fine until Henry's pod door accidentally breaks open before he was supposed to come in. Henry and the ref stand there not sure what to do, but they settle on "welp it's No-DQ" and Henry enters the match early. He proceeds to stumble around messing up the other guys' planned spots and generally looking clueless. (at one point Ziggler yells out "don't move Mark!" before going for a move on Barrett) When it was time for Sheamus to come out, they planned a spot where he kept himself locked in on purpose, as a sneaky heel tactic to wait until everyone was laid out and come in to pick at the scraps. But apparently, nobody clued in the wrestlers or announcers as to what he's doing, so for all the world it looked like Sheamus was trapped in his pod as a legit botch. At this point, the the entire match literally stops. Everyone's just huddling in the middle of the ring, with Ziggler calling out spots and talking with the ref as they try to figure out what the gently caress to do. Like, you had 10-15 year veterans just standing around with slack jaws, like it's their second week of wrestling school and they forgot the trainer's instructions. It's brutal. Eventually they get their poo poo together and the rest of the match went off fine, but the damage had been done, and Ryback's first IC title win went over like the wettest fart.
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I think that show also had kallisto's terrible horrible no good very bad chamber spot
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Also, a tiny foam Stonehenge was lowered from the ceiling.
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Having never seen the IC elimination chamber before, it sounds less "bad match" and more "good fever dream."
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Watching it at the time it was painfully bad, but looking at it afterwards its loving hilarious.
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All the referee had to do was tell Mark Henry to go into the empty pod and close it up, under threat of being thrown out of the match.
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sticklefifer posted:All the referee had to do was tell Mark Henry to go into the empty pod and close it up, under threat of being thrown out of the match. I know they had to think on their feet but they could have done a double spot where Barrett bull hammer'd him at the same time as Ziggler superkicked him back into the pod where he would proceed to be knocked out for some minutes.
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Halloween Jack posted:Kitao's promotion to yokozuna was also a huge embarrassment even before the assault. He was promoted without winning a single yusho in makuuchi, and never won a tournament as yokozuna either. I have heard for a long time that sumo corruption is worse than boxing, but know little of sumo.
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dont even fink about it posted:I have heard for a long time that sumo corruption is worse than boxing, but know little of sumo.
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Question: Can you think of any major stars (ie: ppv main events, at least a run or two with a world title) that didn't initially get over as a heel? I've got Sting and I guess Steamboat (though even he doesn't really fit my criteria of major star). Anyone else?
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Bret Hart would be the modern North Maerican wrestling example that isnmediately comes to mind.
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Andre was a monster face more or less all the way up to Wrestlemania 3
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Andre works. I considered Bret, but the Hart Foundation were always heels were they not? Brets early singles career is one I'm (as a Calgarian) sadly unfamiliar with, did it start as a face run? He was definitely face when he was in Stampede, but would that have been known to the general audience?
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Rey Mysterio. And depending how you count 'got over', AJ Styles?
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