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I don't know anything about West Virginia politics but suddenly I find myself interested in learning more.
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Some of my distant family lives in WV and the politics are interesting. Democrats have more of a foothold than you think, or at least more of a foothold compared to other poor states. It's kind of like the West, you have a tinge of socialism because back in the day, if the poo poo hit the fan and you didn't help someone, they would die. And there was a decent chance that sometime in your life the tables would be turned and you'd want people to repay the favor.
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got n email from DFA since there are ppl itt who are thinking about running for stuff, here's the link to try to get an endorsement http://www2.democracyforamerica.com/endorsement_applicants
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Feb 18, 2017 19:30
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What is DFA exactly?
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Feb 18, 2017 20:05
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Democrats For America. It's a PAC that Howard Dean founded/runs.
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Feb 18, 2017 20:23
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GlyphGryph posted:What is DFA exactly? democracy for america, which is kind of a variant of moveon.org focused more on irl engagement than online stuff. they run candidate trainings, endorse progressives, etc
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Feb 18, 2017 20:32
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Interesting. I am hoping to upgrade from activist to politician in the near future, so candidate training seems like a good thing...
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Feb 18, 2017 20:35
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GlyphGryph posted:Interesting. I am hoping to upgrade from activist to politician in the near future, so candidate training seems like a good thing... Your local party should do candidate training as well, at least in theory. I live in shitsburg Kansas and the dems out here conduct training sessions before (we lose) the local elections!
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Got a good group of people (about 10) knocking on doors in Virginia (District 13) yesterday for the State House Delegate race. The notary that was handling the signatures said it's the first time he's seen people beyond the candidate and the candidate's spouse being involved this early on. Hopefully the enthusiasm sticks. Age group of volunteers ranged from 16 to about 35.
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Feb 19, 2017 16:31
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First up: That new Church I joined? Turned out my DTC chair is a member. So thats interesting. Also the church is holding an ACLU fundraiser this Friday. Secondly, more importantly: I feel it is absolutely imperative that every last one of you read Lakoff. "Dont Think of an Elephant" is a good start. It is absolutely one hundred percent the thing I think is most important for people to do at this point. It identifies our real, fundamental, underlying problems and what we must do to fix them. It goes in depth as to why we are losing, and why we are going to keep losing - and what we can do to stop it.
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Feb 19, 2017 19:43
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GlyphGryph posted:First up: That new Church I joined? Turned out my DTC chair is a member. So thats interesting. Also the church is holding an ACLU fundraiser this Friday. I'd also recommend "Words that Work" by Frank Luntz. The tactics used by the Right aren't a secret, the motherfucker wrote a book on exactly how to do it.
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GlyphGryph posted:First up: That new Church I joined? Turned out my DTC chair is a member. So thats interesting. Also the church is holding an ACLU fundraiser this Friday. I haven't read it, but based on reviews and the book description it doesn't sound that vital to me. Democrats don't need to win arguments with Republicans; most people already agree with democrats in general. Dems just have to focus on real people and turnout. Read things about organizing and getting people to the polls, not about winning an argument with a mythical swing voter
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Feb 19, 2017 21:49
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blue squares posted:I haven't read it, but based on reviews and the book description it doesn't sound that vital to me. Democrats don't need to win arguments with Republicans; most people already agree with democrats in general. Dems just have to focus on real people and turnout. Read things about organizing and getting people to the polls, not about winning an argument with a mythical swing voter It's not about arguing with Republicans. It's about crafting messages that work. A terrible assumption of liberalism is that people are rational, and if you just give them the facts, they'll come to the right conclusion. You've got to speak to values, after that, the facts don't matter. If the facts contradict values, the facts will be rejected.
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blue squares posted:I haven't read it, but based on reviews and the book description it doesn't sound that vital to me. Democrats don't need to win arguments with Republicans; most people already agree with democrats in general. Dems just have to focus on real people and turnout. Read things about organizing and getting people to the polls, not about winning an argument with a mythical swing voter Its a book about organizing, messaging and long term overall strategy and planning. It is not in the slightest way a book about arguing with Republicans, though it does include advice about how to avoid accidentally boosting their ideas
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Let's take as an example, the phrase "Black Lives Matter" The maxim from Luntz's book is "It's not what you say, it's what people hear" Black people immediately understand the meaning of the phrase. They see evidence every day that Black lives don't matter, and this statement is a repudiation. White people are idiots, and Liberals especially have internalized that everyone matters. They don't see the evidence every day that in reality, we live in a country where Black Lives don't matter as much. They hear the statement and get confused, and sometimes they think that it's answering the question "Which lives matter?" to which the obvious answer is "All Lives Matter!" If it was up to me, I'd have made the phrase "Do Black Lives Matter?" You can chant that, it demands a yes or no answer. Awful people will intentionally misunderstand it, they do that for everything, but at the very least, you're not confusing other Liberals.
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Feb 19, 2017 22:56
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Kind of makes me wonder why that one woman from Idaho at the DNC debates hasn't gotten more attention. Wait, no, it doesn't make me wonder at all.
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Feb 19, 2017 23:00
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Let's take as an example, the phrase "Black Lives Matter" quoting a good point unironically
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Feb 19, 2017 23:01
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White people automatically get defensive over the idea that institutional racism exists, it is not a framing issue
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Feb 20, 2017 00:06
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"black lives also matter" would have worked too
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Feb 20, 2017 00:26
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"black lives matter" is a v good slogan the problem is, as always, honkeys
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Feb 20, 2017 00:27
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nachos posted:"black lives also matter" would have worked too "Black Lives Matter Too" I don't dislike the original slogan, it's obviously pretty good since we all know it and if I understand right, it is a legitimate grassroots slogan, not something out of a focus group. My point though is to show how careful choices in language are important for more than talking to Republicans.
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Feb 20, 2017 00:30
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the next time black people come up with a slogan or a word for something, I hope they have the decency to make sure it won't upset white people
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The point of the book has nothing to do with BLM being a bad or less than optimal phrase, if anything it would claim it has to do with a total lack of institutional support in regards to expanding and building upon it and paving the ground for it and he specifically calls out the sort of stuff being said about how BLM needed a better slogan as dumb and in fact would probably be congratulating BLM on laying some damned effective groundwork (which the Democratic party immediately squandered and undermined) Seriously worth reading. GlyphGryph has issued a correction as of 05:27 on Feb 20, 2017 |
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Feb 20, 2017 01:21
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Regardless, this conversation should be moved to the dem thread. This isnt the thread for it, and it really should have ended at the book recommendation stage.
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Feb 20, 2017 01:29
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White people ............ bad?????
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Feb 20, 2017 02:28
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I will be doing live readings of excerpts from the book as part of our new audio story time experience in the DPP discord linked in the OP. Please joing us tomorrow night at 8:15pm EST and listen in! There will be discussion afterwards.
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Which time zone?
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drat caught me before my edit. EST.
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bump_fn posted:White people ............ bad?????
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blue squares posted:the next time black people come up with a slogan or a word for something, I hope they have the decency to make sure it won't upset white people Sorta. It's not about decency. White people are awful and if you intend to communicate with them, you've got to be really explicit because we're so dumb that we can't figure out if Mookie really did do the right thing. Really though, the book is worth reading because while you're complaining about having to worry about the feelings of white people, there are assholes on the other side who are deeply attuned to the anxieties of white people and are working on the next "Death Tax" or "Government Takeover of Healthcare." Pro-Life/Pro-Choice is the perfect example of the importance of framing, the focus of Lakoff's work. If you fail to recognize framing, you'll find yourself arguing the position of Anti-Life, which is a surefire way to lose support.
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Framing's central to modern propaganda. Got to keep that poo poo in mind
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Feb 20, 2017 11:13
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Move this conversation to the Dem thread if you want to keep having it please
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Feb 20, 2017 12:48
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Reading is happening right now and is going quite well. Currently seven folks, welcoming more. Discord.
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blue squares posted:Reading is happening right now and is going quite well. Currently seven folks, welcoming more. Discord. Thanks for the reminder!
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For those who missed it: We read until FRAMING 101: HOW TO TAKE BACK PUBLIC DISCOURSE, page27 Recording is here: glyphgryph.com/RainbowReadingNight1LakoffElephant.m4a
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Feb 21, 2017 03:53
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GlyphGryph posted:For those who missed it: Neat, thanks for this. Also need a vetting in discord.
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Feb 21, 2017 03:55
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That recording is absolute garbage btw, apparently. Don't know what I hosed up. If anyone has any skill with sound recording, please - I clearly, desperate, need help. It sounded fine in Discord!
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GlyphGryph posted:That recording is absolute garbage btw, apparently. Don't know what I hosed up. If anyone has any skill with sound recording, please - I clearly, desperate, need help. Download and install Audacity. It's free and good. When you start a recording, get 30 seconds of background noise from your environment. Later, you can use this to allow Audacity to profile the background noise and remove it from the entire recording, even during the parts in which you're speaking. You'll also be able to cut out parts you don't need, like if you take a break or just want to leave a segment off. It's easy to use if you watch some basic tutorials on Youtube. Make sure to save often when working on a file, because Audacity can crash suddenly.
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My local DTC is starting to grate on my. There is no sense of urgency or immediacy at all. Our web presence is a joke, the caucus is next week, and they pushed back dealing with fixing it because "its just a couple weeks, its not an urgent problem" aaargh! Every day counts drat you
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Can anyone point me in the direction of the best tutorials for NGP VAN/DNC Votebuilder/MiniVAN? Just did some phonebanking for a town hall meeting and the lists are terrible. I guess NGP dumped a bunch of new data on them and they regained a lot of bad numbers the election phonebanks filteted out. I guess nobody exported the refined data? They need someone with a little more technical acumen.
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