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Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

lol it's a good thing juries aren't easily swayed or anything

http://reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/letter-names-blm-agent-charge-bundy-case-target-federal-ethics-probe

quote:

Bureau of Land Management agent Dan Love, a central figure in the government’s case against rancher Cliven Bundy, has been identified as the target of a federal ethics probe in a letter two congressional lawmakers sent to the Office of the Inspector General.

The Feb. 14 letter, sent by U.S. Reps. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, and Blake Farenthold, R-Texas, accuses Love of scrubbing emails, influencing witnesses and deleting hundreds of documents the day before a congressional investigative committee issued a records request. Chaffetz and Farenthold sit on the U.S. House Committee for Oversight and Government Reform.

The letter asks the Office of the Inspector General to further investigate Love following its release last month of an investigative report that slammed the agent for numerous ethics violations. The report found Love used his position to obtain tickets to a sold-out Burning Man festival, improperly intervened in the hiring process of a friend and bullied employees who could have reported his wrongdoing.

The latest allegations are likely to fuel defense arguments in the trial against six men charged as Bundy’s co-conspirators in a 2014 armed standoff in Bunkerville. The incident occurred when the BLM, supervised by Love, tried to seize Bundy’s cattle.

Defense lawyers previously have suggested that Love is the target of the inspector general’s report, and have tried to introduce evidence related to the ethics accusations. They argue the standoff occurred because law enforcement officers acted improperly and aggressively.

In the letter, Chaffetz and Farenthold accuse Love of destroying federal records, tampering with witnesses and obstructing a congressional investigation. They cite unreleased records, including interviews with other BLM employees who were questioned during the inspector general’s investigation.

“After receiving a congressional request for documents, the witness heard Dan Love ‘say to (another BLM employee] that [said BLM employee) needed to make sure that he scrubbed the emails before he sent them, you know, flagging anything that looked inappropriate so that (Dan Love) could remove them if he needed,” the letter says.

The letter also accuses Love of trying to influence the investigation’s outcome by giving another employee “talking points” before an interview with investigators.

The letter does not identify the other employees interviewed about Love’s alleged misconduct. But defense attorney Todd Leventhal said last week that the investigative report named as many as five or six BLM employees who are on the government’s witness list in the Bunkerville standoff trial. Leventhal has said the other employees “aided and abetted” Love; First U.S. Attorney Steven Myhre maintains they were simply questioned as part of the investigation.

Myhre’s opening statement to jurors included references to Love’s efforts to de-escalate the standoff. The prosecutor since has said he does not plan to call Love, who was the special agent in charge, as a witness.

Chaffetz and Farenthold did not disclose what prompted them to investigate Love. But Chaffetz, who leads the House Oversight Committee, has introduced legislation to strip the BLM of its law enforcement functions. During the 2014 standoff with the BLM, Bundy called for participants to “disarm the National Park Service.”

# ? Feb 19, 2017 17:39

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# ? May 11, 2024 10:57

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

Main Paineframe posted:

lol it's a good thing juries aren't easily swayed or anything

http://reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/letter-names-blm-agent-charge-bundy-case-target-federal-ethics-probe

I really loving hope they don't gently caress up this trial.

# ? Feb 19, 2017 18:57

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

Mr. Nice! posted:

I really loving hope they don't gently caress up this trial.

I have no love for the Bundy's, but if the allegations against Love are true then the government is going to have a hard time convincing jurors of Bundy's wrongdoing while its own agents are shown to be corrupt.

If the allegations are true and the Bundys go free yet again, then that's on the government.

# ? Feb 19, 2017 19:02

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

It's Chaffetz and Farenthold. They're both ardently opposed to the BLM existing. That's why they're pushing the letter to the press. Didn't we just go over why that newspaper wasn't a good source?

Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 20:22 on Feb 19, 2017

# ? Feb 19, 2017 20:18

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

Discendo Vox posted:

It's Chaffetz and Farenthold. They're both ardently opposed to the BLM existing. That's why they're pushing the letter to the press. Didn't we just go over why that newspaper wasn't a good source?

Oh right

Never mind then.

# ? Feb 19, 2017 22:04

hangedman1984: Jul 25, 2012

TotalLossBrain posted:

I have no love for the Bundy's, but if the allegations against Love are true then the government is going to have a hard time convincing jurors of Bundy's wrongdoing while its own agents are shown to be corrupt.

If the allegations are true and the Bundys go free yet again, then that's on the government.

Why I was wondering how legit this it. I mean Chaffers is known for partison witch hunts.

# ? Feb 19, 2017 22:40

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

disregard my dumb opinion. I did not see what the source was.

# ? Feb 19, 2017 23:23

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Well, it's worth acknowledging that 1. It's entirely possible people at BLM have been engaged in malfeasance, and 2. This ploy may work.

# ? Feb 19, 2017 23:25

etalian: Mar 20, 2006

Discendo Vox posted:

Well, it's worth acknowledging that 1. It's entirely possible people at BLM have been engaged in malfeasance, and 2. This ploy may work.

seems a lot of work just to steal a bunch of mangy flea bitten cattle.

# ? Feb 19, 2017 23:30

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etalian posted:

seems a lot of work just to steal a bunch of mangy flea bitten cattle.

I'm sure there was some Uranium Hilary wanted to sell to the ~~russians~~ Iranians?

# ? Feb 19, 2017 23:49

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Main Paineframe posted:

lol it's a good thing juries aren't easily swayed or anything

http://reviewjournal.com/news/bundy-blm/letter-names-blm-agent-charge-bundy-case-target-federal-ethics-probe

Cahffetz is human garbage and if the Dems ever manage to retake all 3 branches he deserves a spot high up on the list of people to put in a windowless supermax cell and never hear from them again. It'd still be better than he deserves.

# ? Feb 20, 2017 00:36

Terror Sweat: Mar 15, 2009

Geoj posted:

Pretty much this, if you want interactions with the authorities to be recorded in a manner where the recording will be accessible after the fact you'd better make your own and save it to the cloud on the fly.

at anyone who thought body cams would make a drat bit of difference with police misconduct.

they drastically reduce the number of complaints that police get

# ? Feb 20, 2017 00:58

Main Paineframe: Oct 27, 2010

hangedman1984 posted:

Why I was wondering how legit this it. I mean Chaffers is known for partison witch hunts.

the question isn't whether it's true, it's whether the judge will let the defense mention the allegations during the trial

# ? Feb 20, 2017 02:33

Wasabi the J: Jan 23, 2008; MOM WAS RIGHT

Discendo Vox posted:

It's Chaffetz and Farenthold. They're both ardently opposed to the BLM existing. That's why they're pushing the letter to the press. Didn't we just go over why that newspaper wasn't a good source?

I'm from Vegas, what's up with the RJ?

# ? Feb 20, 2017 03:19

Mr. Nice!: Oct 13, 2005; c-spam cannot afford

Wasabi the J posted:

I'm from Vegas, what's up with the RJ?

I think it's Sheldon Adelson's personal smut rag these days.

# ? Feb 20, 2017 04:31

TheMadMilkman: Dec 10, 2007

Mr. Nice! posted:

I think it's Sheldon Adelson's personal smut rag these days.

It had been shifting right for a few years beforehand, but the 2015 sale to Anderson solidified it as a pro right rag.

# ? Feb 20, 2017 05:54

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

"Dan Love?"
* rips off mask*
"NO!!! IT IS MEEEEE John Kilman!!"
* rips off other mask *
No it is me, Fabio Minoggio!!

# ? Feb 20, 2017 06:49

Wasabi the J: Jan 23, 2008; MOM WAS RIGHT

Mr. Nice! posted:

I think it's Sheldon Adelson's personal smut rag these days.

Good thing I've been avoiding those old ladies selling them outside Big Lots!

# ? Feb 20, 2017 07:40

Zamujasa: Oct 27, 2010; Bread Liar

Mr. Nice! posted:

I think it's Sheldon Adelson's personal smut rag these days.

My favorite was how hard they tried to conceal the fact that it he bought it. For a while, nobody working on the paper actually knew who the owner was -- they had to investigate themselves.

# ? Feb 20, 2017 23:04

Platystemon: Feb 13, 2012; BREADS

Zamujasa posted:

My favorite was how hard they tried to conceal the fact that it he bought it. For a while, nobody working on the paper actually knew who the owner was -- they had to investigate themselves.

Now that�s a hardcore job interview.

# ? Feb 20, 2017 23:08

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

Haha, AG Sessions is getting involved: https://twitter.com/karinapdx/status/834250812545064961

# ? Feb 22, 2017 07:27

Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

TotalLossBrain posted:

Haha, AG Sessions is getting involved: https://twitter.com/karinapdx/status/834250812545064961

Can Chaffetz and friends get in trouble for undue influence?

# ? Feb 22, 2017 07:33

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

quote:

Prosecutors tried to introduce the radio segment as evidence during the first trial. But defense attorneys successfully argued that it was unfair to use the version that aired, since Sepulvado could have edited it in a way that presented Bundy�s statements out of context. OPB declined to produce the raw, unedited version.

During that trial, U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown ruled that the only way she would allow prosecutors to introduce the edited interview would be alongside testimony from Sepulvado, who could presumably answer questions about the context of Bundy�s statements.

Oregon�s shield law does not apply to the federal criminal trial.

OPB�s Senior Vice President Morgan Holm described the organization�s general policy to one of its reporters for her story about Sepulvado�s situation.

�Our long-standing policy,� Holm said, �is that reporters� notes are private documents; they�re not subject to subpoena. We would try to prevent those from getting out because they�re work product.�

OK, this explains why Sepulvado suddenly left OPB for Cali last August. It also explains the weird slant OPB had been running with. What idiots. "No, we'll let the defense run with the claim that our reporting was falsely edited rather than let an interview be used as evidence".

Discendo Vox has issued a correction as of 07:58 on Feb 22, 2017

# ? Feb 22, 2017 07:56

ScrubLeague: Feb 11, 2007; Nap Ghost

Casimir Radon posted:

Can Chaffetz and friends get in trouble for undue influence?

Who of their superiors is going to say they shouldn't do that thing they absolutely would do themselves?

# ? Feb 22, 2017 07:59

Casimir Radon: Aug 2, 2008

ScrubLeague posted:

Who of their superiors is going to say they shouldn't do that thing they absolutely would do themselves?

It would be the court who put the kibosh on it. There was some talk about Obama unduly influencing the Zimmerman trial which was mostly bullshit, didn't go anywhere though.

# ? Feb 22, 2017 08:05

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

OPB is now fully in the tank for the defendants, breathlessly reporting their defense cross examination as exculpatory. "informants were permitted to commit crimes" is literally a thing for FBI informants across the country. There's a whole procedure in place, it only applies to specific acts. It's because otherwise the informant gets outed and killed.

:rant:

# ? Feb 23, 2017 16:21

TotalLossBrain: Oct 20, 2010; Hier graben!

Yeah I noticed OPB is getting pretty far out there.

# ? Feb 23, 2017 17:47

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

There are absolutely valid arguments for not letting the government have free rein to subpoena reporter's materials. But this isn't a case of protecting a source or not chilling speech. This is a case where the reportage is directly incriminating evidence[Literally "we came here to stop them from working"] with no other risks or harms. The defense's whole argument is that the reporter could have been manipulating the recording! Why is the press helping these people attack the press?! Are they trying to create a standard of news being inadmissible in courtrooms?

# ? Feb 23, 2017 17:54

DEEP STATE PLOT: Aug 13, 2008; Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!

lmao these guys are gonna get off scott free again hahahahahaha

# ? Feb 23, 2017 23:19

Baloogan: Dec 5, 2004; Fun Shoe

financially racist posted:

lmao these guys are gonna get off scott free again hahahahahaha

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:01

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

next time they try this poo poo trump is gonna ruby ridge the poo poo outta them isn't he

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:26

CrazyLittle: Sep 11, 2001; Clapping Larry

financially racist posted:

lmao these guys are gonna get off scott free again hahahahahaha

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:30

DEEP STATE PLOT: Aug 13, 2008; Yes...Ha ha ha...YES!

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

next time they try this poo poo trump is gonna ruby ridge the poo poo outta them isn't he

gently caress no and if they get convicted he'll pardon them

# ? Feb 24, 2017 00:30

syscall girl: Nov 7, 2009; by FactsAreUseless; Fun Shoe

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

next time they try this poo poo trump is gonna ruby ridge the poo poo outta them isn't he

i thought his base was psycho tea partyists soooo, no?

although he'll no doubt gently caress over his constituents for his own people

doubt we get another waco from his administration though, mollycoddling all the way for white boys

# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:02

Shalebridge Cradle: Apr 23, 2008

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

next time they try this poo poo trump is gonna ruby ridge the poo poo outta them isn't he

No. Unless they say even one slightly critical thing about him.

Then it will be a bloodbath.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 01:10

Relevant Tangent: Nov 18, 2016; Tangentially Relevant

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

next time they try this poo poo trump is gonna ruby ridge the poo poo outta them isn't he

the closest minority will be shot, medals will be awarded

# ? Feb 24, 2017 02:04

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

what does trump's base at all hafta do with the loose cannons that get results damnit he's installed into leadership roles in these enforcement agencies and the policies guiding them that support such an agenda

they're not exactly gearing up to smash the stage y'know

# ? Feb 24, 2017 02:39

H.P. Hovercraft: Jan 12, 2004; one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse; Slippery Tilde

i mean just because they're not gonna call them terrorists it's not like obama's yoke of restraint is still in place there in the DHS

# ? Feb 24, 2017 02:43

Geoj: May 28, 2008; BITTER POOR PERSON

syscall girl posted:

doubt we get another waco from his administration though, mollycoddling all the way for white boys

There's plenty of targets on the other side of the political divide though.

Probably won't get a Ruby Ridge or Waco but I'd say its possible to get another Kent State. Maybe some of those "paid" protesters need to be reminded what happens when they get too uppity...

Geoj has issued a correction as of 02:52 on Feb 24, 2017

# ? Feb 24, 2017 02:48

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# ? May 11, 2024 10:57

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Casimir Radon posted:

Can Chaffetz and friends get in trouble for undue influence?

In the most technical sense, maybe.

In reality? :lol:

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

next time they try this poo poo trump is gonna ruby ridge the poo poo outta them isn't he

He'll give them a medal, sell the property to private parties, and then drop the hammer when some rich donors complain about white trash cowboys causing problems for them.

# ? Feb 24, 2017 02:52

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