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FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Guy Goodbody posted:

If you really think Trump is New Hitler, fighting Hitler makes strange bedfellows

well and honestly? I want both sides gone.

I despise the people I just listed and I despise (a lot) of what Trump has done*. I hate the Millitary Industrial complex, I hate the "War on Drugs" these assholes cheer leaded, and I hate their stance against LGBT/women that they also champion. The words "gently caress off", cannot be said to the people I just listed enough as far as I'm concerned.

*I say a lot because I think him ditching the TPP is a far batter than what any Republican would have done. I will be fair to him on things that he does that go along with my own principles.

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super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

If you want both sides gone the best thing is to push out the right leaning Democrats by running progressive candidates in the 2018 primaries, getting BLM and Antifa candidates to replace senators and representatives who considered their seats safe, then do the same thing in 2020 and so on until the party is strongly progressive.

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


Trump.. I think this guy would have been sorted into the "Slytherin" house from the Harry Potter books.

breaklaw
May 12, 2008

FuzzySkinner posted:

It's just comes across as a bit of a "fad" to me.

It feels at times like people are also ditching a lot of values they currently had or are teaming up with they would otherwise find repulsive to get rid of Trump.

I don't consider the likes of Bill Kristol, Paul Krugman, Evan McMullin, and Glenn Beck to be "allies". They're not. Nothing about them changed after election day. They're still HORRIBLE people that have done/.said horrible things. Yet I see a lot of democrats cheerleading them and the millitary industrial complex re: "saving us from TRUMP".

Please don't misunderstand me on this btw. I think opposing Trump on the immigration ban and other things are noble causes. These SHOULD be done. But for these people it often doesn't come across as being concerned, but rather just being angry "because Trump" is a thing.

This is a good thing, this is not a bad thing. We need to remember that we can still be passionate opponents without being mortal enemies. If we've lost the ability of people with differing viewpoints to be able to come together for a common good, or in this case against a common threat, then we are already lost and truly nothing matters. We need the biggest and broadest anti-Trump coalition that we can build. What comes after Trump we can compete for, but for now, Trump absolutely has to go.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

super sweet best pal posted:

If you want both sides gone the best thing is to push out the right leaning Democrats by running progressive candidates in the 2018 primaries, getting BLM and Antifa candidates to replace senators and representatives who considered their seats safe, then do the same thing in 2020 and so on until the party is strongly progressive.

I kinda dig the Justice Democrat/Draft Bernie party members I've seen pop up recently. I think they would do wonders in the Rust Belt, and those are the type of areas those people should be in. I think if Ohio, for example (my home state) ran a Bernie or Kucinich clone? They'd be well liked, supported and such. Guys like Strickland and a few others around Cuyahoga County are thought of as phonies. Guys like Kucinich are well liked/respected because they're principled. Even Right Wingers go "He's an honest man at least. I disagree with him, but he's not afraid of saying what he feels."

I would also agree that in certain "blue" areas it would be far better to have BLM/AntiFa (I'm critical of the latter, fine with the former) taking the place of Pelosi and guys like John Lewis in order to push their values as well. I think they'd do quite a bit better than the people I just mentions.

Those are the types that would make the party quite a bit better imo.

ROFL Octopus
Jun 20, 2014

LET ME EXPLAIN

The Kingfish posted:

Trump.. I think this guy would have been sorted into the "Slytherin" house from the Harry Potter books.

how do i choose between umbridge and voldemort :qq:

lohli
Jun 30, 2008
Apparently Milo's book got cancelled after people started using a clip of him on a podcast to suggest he's pretty much a nambla member.

https://twitter.com/AdamRothberg/status/833800857762295808
Dude isn't verified on twitter but apparently works for the publisher and has lots of old tweets about stuff they're doing so I assume it's legit.

Some of the articles about it even tried to cite his making a joke about catholic child abuse(something like "I'm very thankful for father michael, I wouldn't be nearly as good at giving head without his help") as if he was serious, and so did one of the guys in the podcast he was in.

I recall seeing/listening to the podcast and iirc the topic of discussion was one of the boyfriends he had in his mid-teens(16-17) and his saying that at 14 he was one of those people that actively sought out sexual relationships, though the latter might have been on the Joe Rogan podcast, where I think he said the age of consent in the UK and US is generally in a pretty good place but there are people below it who know what they're getting themselves into and are emotionally ready. That's the sort of thing he's talking about when he talks about arbitrary cutoffs for consent, and the example he relates to when talking about a "younger boy" with an "older man" is when he was banging a drag queen at 17.

Expect tears from all sides in the coming days I guess?

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

re: Milo.

On one hand I would say that after x amount of years of bullying trans, and other types of people? Perhaps this is indeed karma.

On the flip side? Dude's clearly got some issues in regards to the fact that he was indeed sexually abused and is trying to desperately not be called a "Victim", hence the attitude he showed towards this. I don't agree with the attitude a lot of people took towards this, and again the "strange bedfellows" argument is being brought up again. I feel pity for anyone that indeed had that happen to them. That loving sucks. Period.

I saw a lot of people literally parading proudly with a group of individuals who for a lack of a better word? Consider gay people "icky" ("The Reagan Coalition"). I don't know if I wouldn't to be with a group of people and to continue to consider those "Republicans" one of "Good ones" (to borrow a phrase).

NOW LET ME PUT THIS IN CAPS: IF MILO INDEED HAD RELATIONS WITH A MINOR, LOOKED AT PORN OF A MNOR OR SAW SOMEONE WITH A MINOR AND SAID NOTHING? gently caress HIM, THAT'S DISGUSTING. THERE IS NO DEFENSE OF THAT. THAT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

This is all being said? I'm not thrilled with people being bullied out of a job, book deal or what ever the gently caress for having a lovely opinion bite them in the rear end. I for example, sure as hell wouldn't want to have that happen to me.

lohli
Jun 30, 2008

FuzzySkinner posted:

NOW LET ME PUT THIS IN CAPS: IF MILO INDEED HAD RELATIONS WITH A MINOR, LOOKED AT PORN OF A MNOR OR SAW SOMEONE WITH A MINOR AND SAID NOTHING? gently caress HIM, THAT'S DISGUSTING. THERE IS NO DEFENSE OF THAT. THAT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

I think he'd said something about a Hollywood party filled with twinks.

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 8 hours!

FuzzySkinner posted:

re: Milo.

On one hand I would say that after x amount of years of bullying trans, and other types of people? Perhaps this is indeed karma.

On the flip side? Dude's clearly got some issues in regards to the fact that he was indeed sexually abused and is trying to desperately not be called a "Victim", hence the attitude he showed towards this. I don't agree with the attitude a lot of people took towards this, and again the "strange bedfellows" argument is being brought up again. I feel pity for anyone that indeed had that happen to them. That loving sucks. Period.

I saw a lot of people literally parading proudly with a group of individuals who for a lack of a better word? Consider gay people "icky" ("The Reagan Coalition"). I don't know if I wouldn't to be with a group of people and to continue to consider those "Republicans" one of "Good ones" (to borrow a phrase).

NOW LET ME PUT THIS IN CAPS: IF MILO INDEED HAD RELATIONS WITH A MINOR, LOOKED AT PORN OF A MNOR OR SAW SOMEONE WITH A MINOR AND SAID NOTHING? gently caress HIM, THAT'S DISGUSTING. THERE IS NO DEFENSE OF THAT. THAT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

This is all being said? I'm not thrilled with people being bullied out of a job, book deal or what ever the gently caress for having a lovely opinion bite them in the rear end. I for example, sure as hell wouldn't want to have that happen to me.

He's a pedophile

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



FuzzySkinner posted:

re: Milo.

On one hand I would say that after x amount of years of bullying trans, and other types of people? Perhaps this is indeed karma.

On the flip side? Dude's clearly got some issues in regards to the fact that he was indeed sexually abused and is trying to desperately not be called a "Victim", hence the attitude he showed towards this. I don't agree with the attitude a lot of people took towards this, and again the "strange bedfellows" argument is being brought up again. I feel pity for anyone that indeed had that happen to them. That loving sucks. Period.

I saw a lot of people literally parading proudly with a group of individuals who for a lack of a better word? Consider gay people "icky" ("The Reagan Coalition"). I don't know if I wouldn't to be with a group of people and to continue to consider those "Republicans" one of "Good ones" (to borrow a phrase).

NOW LET ME PUT THIS IN CAPS: IF MILO INDEED HAD RELATIONS WITH A MINOR, LOOKED AT PORN OF A MNOR OR SAW SOMEONE WITH A MINOR AND SAID NOTHING? gently caress HIM, THAT'S DISGUSTING. THERE IS NO DEFENSE OF THAT. THAT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

This is all being said? I'm not thrilled with people being bullied out of a job, book deal or what ever the gently caress for having a lovely opinion bite them in the rear end. I for example, sure as hell wouldn't want to have that happen to me.

better hope nobody has footage of you praising pedastry then

The Brown Menace
Dec 24, 2010

Now comes in all colors.


FuzzySkinner posted:

re: Milo.

On one hand I would say that after x amount of years of bullying trans, and other types of people? Perhaps this is indeed karma.

On the flip side? Dude's clearly got some issues in regards to the fact that he was indeed sexually abused and is trying to desperately not be called a "Victim", hence the attitude he showed towards this. I don't agree with the attitude a lot of people took towards this, and again the "strange bedfellows" argument is being brought up again. I feel pity for anyone that indeed had that happen to them. That loving sucks. Period.

I saw a lot of people literally parading proudly with a group of individuals who for a lack of a better word? Consider gay people "icky" ("The Reagan Coalition"). I don't know if I wouldn't to be with a group of people and to continue to consider those "Republicans" one of "Good ones" (to borrow a phrase).

NOW LET ME PUT THIS IN CAPS: IF MILO INDEED HAD RELATIONS WITH A MINOR, LOOKED AT PORN OF A MNOR OR SAW SOMEONE WITH A MINOR AND SAID NOTHING? gently caress HIM, THAT'S DISGUSTING. THERE IS NO DEFENSE OF THAT. THAT IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.

This is all being said? I'm not thrilled with people being bullied out of a job, book deal or what ever the gently caress for having a lovely opinion bite them in the rear end. I for example, sure as hell wouldn't want to have that happen to me.

Yeah man it sucks that he lost his job of uhhhhh baiting angry responses with dumb controversial opinions

And his book deal, which should be considered a birth right, really

Control Volume
Dec 31, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 8 hours!
If you go through all the tweets about milo losing his book deal and replace "pedophile apologist" with "abandoned orphan, struggling to survive in the harsh city streets," well, I can tell you that it is NOT a good look for the so-called "tolerant" left

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
simon and schuster should be forced to publish the nazi pedophile's book, to do anything less is to violate the first amednment

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
the jew is a nazi :downs:

but yeah if he really is a pedophile, he can go to jail for all i care

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

spit on my clit posted:

the jew is a nazi :downs:

but yeah if he really is a pedophile, he can go to jail for all i care

Yep.

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
a nazi jew????? now i've seen everything

Byolante
Mar 23, 2008

by Cyrano4747
Welcoming TERFs or pro-sharia people into the fold is a unquestionably bad thing though

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
milo thought poe's law couldn't touch him

he thought wrong

it folds back on every and anyone

Conch Shell Corp
Feb 24, 2009

oh wow a brit is a pederast how loving surprising

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Byolante posted:

The problem with relying on the army to preserve your power is when you send them to put down the uprising and they realise 'hey that's my cousin in the crowd, why should I shoot him?' Propping up the military as the social welfare state is going to have some unforseen consequences should the poor rise up.

:mmmsmug: noice

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

Lastgirl posted:

milo thought poe's law couldn't touch him

he thought wrong

it folds back on every and anyone

theses idiots will never learn; meanwhile i sleep with one eye open, because, lol, death is certain

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

FuzzySkinner posted:

It's just comes across as a bit of a "fad" to me.
sadly, it's a fad that is actively encouraged and cultivated by its creator

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....
https://twitter.com/pixelatedboat/status/833887324958138368

https://twitter.com/mashable/status/834022133399433216

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

FuzzySkinner posted:


I apologize for sounding like I'm even remotely defending Trump here. But perhaps it's far better if we all realized that the NYT is owned by a multi-billioniare in Carlos Silm, CNN is a subsidiary of Time Warner, NBC is a subsidiary of Comcast/GE, etc, etc

e: Look at how these assholes carry the water for the Military Industrial Complex for christ's sake. Christ NYT ran poo poo on the front page to get our asses into Iraq based on lies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Irz56zb04A

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Conch Shell Corp posted:

oh wow a brit is a pederast how loving surprising

Jim'll fix it!

That whole scandal is...terrifying.



One of the best "Truth telling" skits SNL did. Didn't they pull it after one showing?

Spinning Robo
Apr 17, 2007
https://twitter.com/grynbaum/status/834124012678676485

and he's outta there

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

t
He had a video or some sort of comment the other day in regards to the whole CPAC biz:

"This is why most Gays vote Democrat"

Shock Jock persona, and his (at the very least) pedarest sympathy a side? He's very much right on that matter. Why would anyone who's LGBT bother supporting these people at this point? Especially when Neo Libs offer you the same exact stuff you're looking for.

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

FuzzySkinner posted:

t


He had a video or some sort of comment the other day in regards to the whole CPAC biz:

"This is why most Gays vote Democrat"

Shock Jock persona, and his (at the very least) pedarest sympathy a side? He's very much right on that matter. Why would anyone who's LGBT bother supporting these people at this point? Especially when Neo Libs offer you the same exact stuff you're looking for.

good point, but, that's why he was an idiot from the start to think he could be openly gay and be an accepted part of old school right wing politics

you need to kiss the ring to be accepted

you.need.to.kiss.the.ring.


unless you are the ring, like this guy:

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Lindsey O. Graham posted:

good point, but, that's why he was an idiot from the start to think he could be openly gay and be an accepted part of old school right wing politics

you need to kiss the ring to be accepted

you.need.to.kiss.the.ring.


unless you are the ring, like this guy:


They were not gonna circle the wagon for him like our side has done for the likes of Lena Dunham (who has done something I believe sort of similiar? If not. Correct me, and perhaps even give me a more accurate. They were gonna toss his rear end out the moment he became "useless" to them.

There's a certain wing of the GOP that has a strong, vice like grip on the control of the party and their values.

I've met republicans, I've been raised by them my entire life, etc. Generally they don't care what music people listen to, they're not anti-science, and frankly don't care about people that are gay (or actually support their right to marry). The problem is...the people I think the old guard GOP enjoys cow-towing to are old school evangelical/mormon "FAMILY VALUES" -types. You know...the nutbars that you know in school that want creationism taught and are paranoid about the gay menace?

Those idiots never really left.

Lindsey O. Graham
Dec 31, 2016

"We're not generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term."

- The Chief

FuzzySkinner posted:

They were not gonna circle the wagon for him like our side has done for the likes of Lena Dunham (who has done something I believe sort of similiar? If not. Correct me, and perhaps even give me a more accurate. They were gonna toss his rear end out the moment he became "useless" to them.

There's a certain wing of the GOP that has a strong, vice like grip on the control of the party and their values.

I've met republicans, I've been raised by them my entire life, etc. Generally they don't care what music people listen to, they're not anti-science, and frankly don't care about people that are gay (or actually support their right to marry). The problem is...the people I think the old guard GOP enjoys cow-towing to are old school evangelical/mormon "FAMILY VALUES" -types. You know...the nutbars that you know in school that want creationism taught and are paranoid about the gay menace?

Those idiots never really left.

oh, the Evangelical Christian Right? no those fools aren't going anywhere because they whip votes, the pulpit is their political platform, and as long as they can deliver their congregation's votes, my party will continue to give them thoroughly enthusiastic rim jobs; it's the name of the game

milo was never going to be as useful, because half his fans never leave the house, let alone to vote
he can assist in slightly increasing the vote count, but he can't deliver states, like pastors, ministers, and the like do routinely

Lena Dunham did what she did at seven, that's why the left hasn't completely abandoned her, even though i doubt she maintains any relevance at this point

it's different when its kids with kids, it's still messed up, but it isn't the same

get that OUT of my face
Feb 10, 2007

lena dunham has put her foot in her mouth so frequently that she must love the taste. writing that incident in her book is the sort of poo poo that makes you think, "why would you want anyone to know about this?" she's rich enough to hire a publicist to cover her tracks, but she's so stupid and full of herself that she probably doesn't see the need to

besides, lena's influence doesn't extend beyond Dem party elites and a handful of idiot millennials. most people have no idea who she is and don't particularly care

Harveygod
Jan 4, 2014

YEEAAH HEH HEH HEEEHH

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYIN

THIS TRASH WAR AIN'T GONNA SOLVE ITSELF YA KNOW

get that OUT of my face posted:

besides, lena's influence doesn't extend beyond Dem party elites and a handful of idiot millennials. most people have no idea who she is and don't particularly care

I only know from these threads.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

get that OUT of my face posted:

lena dunham has put her foot in her mouth so frequently that she must love the taste. writing that incident in her book is the sort of poo poo that makes you think, "why would you want anyone to know about this?" she's rich enough to hire a publicist to cover her tracks, but she's so stupid and full of herself that she probably doesn't see the need to

besides, lena's influence doesn't extend beyond Dem party elites and a handful of idiot millennials. most people have no idea who she is and don't particularly care

Well how influential is Milo? That's a question we need to ask ourselves.

From what I'm seeing though it feels like a lot of establishment republican types (McMullin, JEB!) were ashamed of Trump/Milo not because they're racist, they're ashamed that they've completely torn off the filter they used to dog whistle voters and scam people out of their money.

Make no mistake when I type this. I have friends that do hold conservative/right leaning values that legitimately find Trump abhorrent. This is more so about people that are in the "1 percent", people that are in the media,elected officials and donors all have no problem with each other in that realm.

The fact that leading to and after the election that Bush-type Republicans and Clinton-type Democrats are so willing to be buddy-buddy together is actually quite alarming. It reminds me of the "TREEHOUSE OF HORROR" ep where Kang and Kodos are holding hands as Bush and Dole.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



Child rape aside, besides what about that LENS DUNHAM HMMMMMM? -a thing posted itt, jfc

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
bystander: no

BexGu
Jan 9, 2004

This fucking day....

Baloogan posted:

bystander: no

They just can't stop thinking about their forest queen!

https://twitter.com/wokieleaks1/status/833920750977314817

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

http://www.hillarybeattrump.org/

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Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

what's the link to that "hillary won" twitter account where every tweet ends with bill getting sent to do some poo poo chore? thought that was the saddest thing, this witch-in-the-woods fanfiction is even sadder cause he thinks she gives a poo poo.

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