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Maybe it's a potential thing, like anyone who is capable of learning Conquerer is capable of learning Armament or Observation, but not vice versa.
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Crazyeyes posted:I thought of you could use conquerors haki you could use all forms. Everyone has the potential to learn and train Observation and Armament. Some people have a natural affinity for one or both.
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Shugojin posted:Maybe it's a potential thing, like anyone who is capable of learning Conquerer is capable of learning Armament or Observation, but not vice versa. That's what I was saying, yeah. Conqueror Haki is very rare (even though tons of people have it in the New World, it seems...), but the other two are quite ubiquitous.
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Feb 21, 2017 05:07
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I don't really begrudge Conqueror's being relatively common on the New World. That's the natural place for that kind of person to end up, after all.
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Feb 21, 2017 05:15
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I wouldn't be surprised if the subject of Warlords being a bad idea comes up at the Reverie, especially with Alabasta and potentially several victims of Doflamingo attending.
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Silver2195 posted:Nitpicking here, but I believe the WG sent Doflamingo to kill Moria because of his poor performance in the Whitebeard War, not his loss to the Straw Hats. I think Doflamingo tried to kill Moria on the battlefield after the fighting was over, so the hit had to have been ordered before the Summit War.
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Feb 21, 2017 06:37
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Having Conqueror's haki is a prophecy of sorts kinda like having the D. middle name. Both Don Chinchow and Trebol remarked that those with conqueror's was a sign of a king and they are destined to gather and battle eachother. Makes sense we see more conquerors in the new world as we approach the final arc.
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You guys seem to be making a lot of assumptions about CoO. The whole, "detect your opponent's moves" thing is something nobody, not Rayleigh, Luffy, or Enel, has been shown to use without closing their eyes. It's not like you can just always sense everything ever. The only person probably using it all the time is Fujitora, but of course, he keeps his eyes closed. Enel was using it with his fruit, if I recall, to pick up on electromagnetic waves or some other Oda logic and this extended the reach to all of Skypiea and allowed him to hear conversations. Then Aisa was also able to sense people's locations over long distances, but this is extremely rare. Coby awakened this, I believe. It's like an extreme natural affinity for CoO. I don't think it's implied Luffy, Dofy, or anybody else has it working like that. How many times has Luffy been looking for someone in the New World? He's not just snipe sensing people from far away.
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Feb 21, 2017 09:33
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Doflamingo vs Moria also happened before the timeskip, where haki basically didn't have rules because Oda was making poo poo up on the fly.
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Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji were able to sense Carribou trying to kidnap the Shirahoshi during Mermaid Island.
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Ryaomon posted:Doflamingo vs Moria also happened before the timeskip, where haki basically didn't have rules because Oda was making poo poo up on the fly. Doffy vs Moria was like 20 chapters before the timeskip and Doffy talking about Moria's disappearance was like two chapters before Rayleigh explains haki in detail. The real answer here is that Oda doesn't think of every  detail if it's not relevant to the scene in question, and the relevant points of the Doffy/Moria thing are that a) Moria is still around and b) Doffy doesn't care about government orders and delights in sowing chaos.
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Have we seen Big Mom use Conqueror's Haki yet? I have a feeling we'll be blindsided by it at the wedding.
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Have we seen Big Mom use Conqueror's Haki yet? I have a feeling we'll be blindsided by it at the wedding. Nope. If she does have it, I doubt we'll see it until she clashes with Luffy.
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Hate-Senpai posted:Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji were able to sense Carribou trying to kidnap the Shirahoshi during Mermaid Island. And Sanji used it to spot a sniper when he was with Viola. Honestly, Advice might be right. There's more examples of people needing to close their eyes and concentrate to use Observation Haki than there are of people seemingly having it turned on all the time. It's inconsistent, at the very least.
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Is it implied he used it to find that sniper? IIRC you just see Sanji attack from the sniper's point of view. He could have just seen him. It was half a gag anyway. There's definitely a thing with sensing extremely powerful auras unconsciously when you have it trained, Sanji knew someone strong was nearby and assumed correctly it was Nekomamushi while inside Bege, though even this is inconsistent because you're not supposed to be able to detect poo poo inside other auras, as even Enel couldn't detect Luffy inside Nola, and Aisa couldn't sense anyone while inside Nola. Haki is inconsistent but what is always consistent is Oda showing us what we need to see to get the desired effect. The man is a brilliant storyteller and rarely leaves things up to your imagination. Even today, a fruit user will loudly declare their fruit subtype, model, and abilities at the slightest provocation. When people use haki it's pretty obvious. CoA gets the black stuff, CoQ gets crackly electricity when clashing with another and the weird eye when being used, and CoO usually makes it pretty obvious. Assuming stuff is happening that we're not being shown is how we get the crazy theories.
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You could always argue Doffy hasn't mastered CoO. Rayleigh said himself many people focus on only 1 haki.
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nobody knew about absalom at the war nor when he broke into the scratchman/kidd alliance gathering so theres no way in hell doflamingo of all people noticed absalom when everyone else at the war didnt either (and he was truly surprised at moria disappearing in thin air and im pretty sure it was implied doffy thought it was morias power) also moria 100% got clapped at the war for what happened at thriller bark, the start of the TB has the WG telling moria he CANT go down like everyone else before him or else it might destabilize the entire warlord system, moria didnt heed the warning because he knew the SH's weren't ready for the new world and by extension fighting him too (the WG still didnt trust him and sent kuma to kill luffy before he was able to leave the island but worst case scenario happened and moria fell with luffy getting away, hence the doffy assassination)
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Pretty sure the worst case scenario was that nothing happened.
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Yeah now that you mention it, the World Government cannot be faulted for underestimating the Strawhats. Most villains in One Piece fall because they underestimate Luffy within the confines of their individual arc, but at large the World Government has been concerned about him from the start. They issued bounties to all of them, even to what they thought was a pet, they sent two Warlords to deal with them personally on Thriller Bark, an Admiral on Saobondy, (technically he was responding to the fact that a Tenryuubito was attacked, but they knew it was the Strawhats, no?), and Akainu tried to assassinate Luffy at Marineford. Seems almost like a juxtaposition of all the arc bosses.
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Advice posted:Yeah now that you mention it, the World Government cannot be faulted for underestimating the Strawhats. Most villains in One Piece fall because they underestimate Luffy within the confines of their individual arc, but at large the World Government has been concerned about him from the start. They issued bounties to all of them, even to what they thought was a pet, they sent two Warlords to deal with them personally on Thriller Bark, an Admiral on Saobondy, (technically he was responding to the fact that a Tenryuubito was attacked, but they knew it was the Strawhats, no?), and Akainu tried to assassinate Luffy at Marineford. Seems almost like a juxtaposition of all the arc bosses. The WG as a whole doesn't underestimate Luffy, but Kizaru definitely does fail to take Luffy seriously. I'm not sure Kizaru takes anything seriously, though.
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Moria is the 30s shlep bragging to you he could beat you in a race because he beat his high school record in track but hasn't worked out since then.
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Hey Strawhat, remember that super awesome cannonball I had, the Super Buggy Ball? No. 
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Impel down was amazing. I hope we get a similar arc with the CP9 crowd helping the Strawhats.
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Logicblade posted:Hey Strawhat, remember that super awesome cannonball I had, the Super Buggy Ball?
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Logicblade posted:Hey Strawhat, remember that super awesome cannonball I had, the Super Buggy Ball? 
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Logicblade posted:Hey Strawhat, remember that super awesome cannonball I had, the Super Buggy Ball? I spent a long time on that page, laughing.
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drjuggalo posted:nobody knew about absalom at the war nor when he broke into the scratchman/kidd alliance gathering so theres no way in hell doflamingo of all people noticed absalom when everyone else at the war didnt either. I think you're joking but need to confirm.
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Crazyeyes posted:I think you're joking but need to confirm. The chapter (in which Doflamingo fake-steps down as a Warlord - I think it as chapter 700?) has that scene. Kidd is wondering how some journalist called "Absa" broke the story of his alliance with Apoo and Hawkins, and in the same panel we see Moria's escape ship from Thriller Bark sailing away (which I guess suggests that Moria is still hiding out with Absalom).
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Moria and co as underground journos baggin them juicy scoops tickles my fancy.
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I think my favorite "weird villain who's off doing something unrelated" is Wapol, who struck it rich as a toy manufacturer and also styles himself as a super villain (although not anywhere near as put together as the Germa). He was even granted a kingdom to rule! Edit: oh right, Walpole plans on killing Dalton at the Reverie. I hope he gets totally crowned. Green Intern fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Feb 22, 2017 |
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Feb 23, 2017 08:14
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Reminder that there's no chapter this week.
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Feb 23, 2017 14:30
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It's cool, just salt that wound right up.
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Shoren posted:Reminder that there's no chapter this week. Every break is the worst Thursday of my life.
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Shoren posted:Reminder that there's no chapter this week. 
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Sub Harrison posted:Every break is the worst Thursday of my life. Same, OP. I die a little bit inside every time.
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JosephWongKS posted:Kizaru probably takes weed seriously. I mean he's lit af all the time, yeah
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Sub Harrison posted:Every break is the worst Thursday of my life. God needs a rest every 7th day. It's only fair Oda takes one every 30.
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Gyges posted:God needs a rest every 7th day. It's only fair Oda takes one every 30. I'm pretty sure Usopp rests enough after all his lies already.
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