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Dragonatrix posted:Update 3. Ignore Jimboo & Xtreme Fonz Zelenin and pickpocket the key to the seal from Grendel 1. Murderize Ryan and co.
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Time to put our murderin' hats on.
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Feb 21, 2017 08:02
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BFC posted:3. Ignore Jimboo & Xtreme Fonz Zelenin and pickpocket the key to the seal from Grendel Honestly, yeah, we shouldn't listen to either of them, but if presented with no third option, I vote we kill them before the kool-aid they're drinking does it for us.
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Feb 21, 2017 08:07
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Murder is the correct solution.
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Feb 21, 2017 08:26
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murder is correct, but since you have a law protag it'd make more sense to brainwash them also, thanks for doing the worst path first, assuming the alignment holds
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Feb 21, 2017 08:27
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I suggest brainwash so we can get law out of the way.
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Feb 21, 2017 09:40
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No vote from me, but I gotta say Zelenin kind of torpedoed her arguement first by saying doing otherwise would be against the Lord's wishes firstmost instead of just being wrong, and then suggesting making use of her powers which everyone treats as questionably eerie. I mean yeah, murdering humans who have since been pacified is bad too, but they're also all murderers turned puppets so it's... hard to care.
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Feb 21, 2017 10:10
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mandatory lesbian posted:murder is correct, but since you have a law protag it'd make more sense to brainwash them This exactly The pragmatic and intelligent answer is to kill the exceedingly non-loyal force brainwashed by a likely-unaligned former friend, because they're liable to become enemies whether brainwashed or not But you already have the law alignment so for the sake of not wasting your time, might as well do that one now
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Feb 21, 2017 12:42
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Kill them all.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:49
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GeneX posted:The pragmatic and intelligent answer is to kill the exceedingly non-loyal force brainwashed by a likely-unaligned former friend, because they're liable to become enemies whether brainwashed or not This reasoning is flawed, because it also applies to the demons who you are dealing with. I point out they have already demonstrated non-loyalty to Maya herself. The entire point is that this is a setup where you are not allowed to choose a "pragmatic and intelligent" answer. If you kill the humans, you have the demons to deal with as potential enemies down the line. If you neuter the demons, you have the humans to deal with as potential enemies down the line. That all said, it's not clear why we can't simply kill Grendel on the spot to break the seal if the song would work... ...wait a minute. I reject this false choice. 3: Kill Grendel. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 15:04
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Throwing my hat in for C. None of the above.
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Feb 21, 2017 15:29
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Come now, the LPer gave you two options so we ought to play along.
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Feb 21, 2017 15:41
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freshlybaked posted:Come now, the LPer gave you two options so we ought to play along. We're talking about a game series where this courtesy is not even given to the creator of the universe.
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Feb 21, 2017 15:55
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Kill Jack's Squad.
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Feb 21, 2017 15:56
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Tallgeese posted:We're talking about a game series where this courtesy is not even given to the creator of the universe. That's because the creator is an rear end in a top hat.
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Feb 21, 2017 15:58
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Hunt11 posted:That's because the creator is an rear end in a top hat. 🛋️ Tell me more about your relationship with your father. --- In seriousness, Dragonatrix can simply ignore that kind of vote if he wanted, but the irony of that being approved of would be funny. Especially if it is an actual option the game doesn't make explicit. I honestly do not recall so and have to look up a guide. Tallgeese fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Feb 21, 2017 |
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Feb 21, 2017 16:09
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I think there's a third option here, actually maybe even 4 options. We could go kill crazy and wipe out both Jack's Squad and the demons, or we could try to negotiate with the demons and then they attack us, like Arthur suggested. I vote for talking with and then probably killing the demons the old fashioned way. No songs, no demon hybrids, no extremes.
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Feb 21, 2017 17:01
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Just murder Jack's squad already. Free them from being holy zombies. Honestly, you could consider this a mercy kill.
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Feb 21, 2017 18:14
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Let's Murder Jack's squad and even our tendency out a little bit. Let's violate that NAP this time.
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Feb 21, 2017 19:53
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Get the murder boner roarin and kill Jack's Squad Because gently caress them and gently caress the angels with a rusty rail road spike.
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Feb 21, 2017 21:11
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Feb 21, 2017 22:37
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Murder, because I'd rather the devil I know (no pun intended) than the angels.
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Feb 22, 2017 00:22
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I'd rather pick "none of the above" but since that's apparently not an option let's go ahead and kill Jack's herd of insufferable assholes.
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Feb 22, 2017 00:44
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This is the best argument for murdering the poo poo out of them. It's better to die free than live a slave.
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Feb 22, 2017 01:01
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Haven't properly counted yet or anything, but it sure looks likely that come Monday morning, Ryan and the unnamed mooks from Jack's Squad are gonna get got. Can't say I'm too surprised by that.
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Feb 24, 2017 09:03
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Kill Jack Squad Man this game really makes the factions look super unappealing.
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Feb 25, 2017 06:09
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I've abstained from voting since I already know more or less how this goes... but gently caress Ryan's squad, seriously.
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Feb 25, 2017 06:23
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Dragonatrix posted:Haven't properly counted yet or anything, but it sure looks likely that come Monday morning, Ryan and the unnamed mooks from Jack's Squad are gonna get got. Can't say I'm too surprised by that. They have only themselves to blame.
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Feb 25, 2017 13:20
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it's amazing looking back at just how... not good the writing is.
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Feb 27, 2017 03:37
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 Prayer We do have a very important decision ahead of us, so let's put it off just a little bit longer. Not much; just gonna talk to the crew as per normal.  But I'm not here to argue over what's right or wrong. I'm fine leaving that up to you, Hitonari. Do whatever you think is best.  But everyone here does. It's not up to us to make that kind of decision. We trust you, whatever you decide. You've seen everything up to now up close. Let's go on with the mission like we always have.  "What if I had done this?" "What if that had happened?" I'm too caught up in rehashing the past... I feel like that a lot, actually. What about you? Not me. ...You seem so sure. I'm a little envious of that. It's okay, though... I know you'll be able to choose a path that you won't regret. ...What? No, we only have two ways of dealing with this, Wolf. Were you just not paying attention?  I'm the kind of guy who likes to attack a problem head on. Thinking things through isn't my style. So I'll leave all that up to you, Hitonari. It's okay. I have faith that you'll make the best decision.  Me, I like to keep it simple. I trust my gut when it comes to decisions like these. But hey, what you decide is yer business. Just be confident, whatever ya go with. Stand tall, cowboy!  Irving's right, though. I think you should have confidence in yourself. If you're the one making the decision, Hitonari, then I'll support it wholeheartedly.  "The Queen commands and we obey," and such. They handle the political end so we can do the real work. ...In that regard, you've drawn the short straw. Don't worry about it. Just think how much the owe you now. No one will raise a furore over your judgement.Alright, so let's check those votes shall we? code: Accept Zelenin's offer for a song, of course. You didn't think that whole thing was seri-- Malevolence and Benevolence .yltfiws devloser eb nac melborp siht taht epoh I dna ,noitautis tluciffid a si tI  .tiwollalliwI,noisiceds'wercehtotretnuoctcaotyrassecentimeedmaetekirtsehtdluohS  However, our cooperation requires that we sacrifice Jack's squad. Should we accept the demons' terms? We should.  Put the demons on one end of a scale and Jack's squad on the other, and I know which way it tips. They need to be judged! You are authorized to carry out your duties according to this decision. The situation is changing rapidly. In that light, I authorize the strike team to act at their own discretion. It is a difficult situation, and I hope that this problem can be resolved swiftly. I look forward to the successful completion of your mission.Okay, so now that we've made our decision informally it... doesn't really do much of anything right now. We aren't on any given path through this event right now, so we should probably head on back to Grus and talk to Grendel. ...But Zelenin's on the way, so let's make it official that she ain't gonna sing. No. I will wait here. Come talk to me should you ever need my help.I do wonder if Jimenez will be around in the middle of the sanctum or something, then.  Nope, nothing happens up until we get back to Grendel.  If you agree to the deal, then go kill those humans. Once you do, I'll unseal the gate to Maya. Hm? Is something wrong? No. Hurry and kill them. I look forward to hearing of their deaths... Okay, fine, so I guess we gotta go through Jack's Squad HQ. It's Jack's Squad HQ. We've seen it before, we know where the Lightning is. There's not even any random fights here or anything; encounters are turned off entirely. Fear > Ryan is chanting while staring off into space...  Welp, let's get our murder on.  ......! We are... the sacred squad... who serve the Lord... ...Blasphemer against the Lord! You shall die! An Honor Befitting That Name Ryan honestly doesn't deserve a video. He doesn't even really count as a midboss.  He's... he's literally just Jack again. But relatively worse, and without the Pisacas to maybe get an instant kill in.  He does like using Pure Blue a lot more than Jack or Tiamat ever did, though.  Like, A LOT more. He didn't even remove any debuffs with this one! I don't know, either.  Just to cap off Ryan being a poo poo Clone of Jack, he gives (relatively) less EXP, no Macca, has no drops and he only has 1800 HP as opposed to Jack's 2000. In The Master's Name  > ...... > ...... > ......  ...What have you done!? What audacity is this!? This shall lead only to ruin! Ahhh... You must repent, or you will soon be...! ...Nice one, Tadano. Now you'll get some respect from those demons. So what'll it be today? You here to sing a requiem? Well, take it somewhere else. Your songs are like nails on a chalkboard... It seems that the evil within your newfound form has devoured your soul as well, Jimenez! ...Don't go thinking everyone's gonna bow down to you, Zelenin. I'm sure Jack's squad is much happier with their souls free. You refuse to acknowledge your sin, Jimenez! Have you now fallen so far as to be incapable of recognizing it...? ...I must prepare, Hitonari.  > Zelenin left...  We're gonna be destroyed, huh? Says her... We'll see which side is gonna say hello to oblivion. ...I gotta go give the demons the good news here. Let's go, Tadano.> Jimenez left... Whew, that was... actually fairly simple, huh? Didn't really have to do much in practice. I suppose we should report back to Grendel now. Prayer But first we'll see what the crew thinks about what just happened. Let's move on and pray for no more surprises. Then again, it probably would've ended up like this no matter what you chose. Don't worry about it. Let's go on with the mission like we always have. That may have consequences down the line... But what's done is done. For now, just concentrate on your main mission. We've been putting things off for too long. Doctor Zoe was saying that for everyone's mental health, we shouldn't prolong the mission. So there it is. Let's find the Exotic Matter soon and get to the next sector. Time we got back to rustlin' up those Exotic Materials! And don't forget to pick up some forma, y'hear!? I assumed we woukdn't be able to get along because we're so different... But it seems a lot of the crew are pretty taken with them. Is that because we're adapting to our situation, or because we're losing our humanity? ...It's a tough one. I don't like this political give and take with everyone's ulterior motives all tangled up. Now I can concentrate on the mission at hand. It's quite exhilarating, really.Alright, NOW we can go and report back to Grendel and see what's gonna happen next. Chaos Theme A promise is a promise. I have already undone the seal. You may come and go as you please. Now then, let us see what happens. Will things go as you planned...? Hmhmhm. Good luck... You'll need it.Nice and simple, there. It's not even a particularly long path to the purple door. Silence   Suit yourselves... continue forward... to my corridor of illusions... Come to me... if you can... I think it's safe to say that we can, so moving swiftly on through here. This should get us somewhe--       Mankind cannot defeat demons such as these! We have no means of preventing the Schwarzwelt from swallowing the Earth! We can do nothing but await the annihilation of mankind... ...Now take up your firearms! Let us choose to die at the barrel of a comrade's gun than at the hands of a demon! Ready! Aim! Show your bravery, men... Death before dishonor! > You tried to protest, but no words came out... > You hear a voice coming from somewhere...  ...For once, I genuinely have no idea what this voice is supposed to be. It's not from that one weird demon who keeps talking at us at doors (the text is too quick for that, and it's a Voice not a Strange Demon!), it's obviously not Gore, there's no reason for it to be any other normal demon... You can end your painful battle... It's okay... You can end your harsh journey... > You hear another voice.  This one by contrast is much easier; it is a random person from the Red Sprite (most likely a Monitor Team person) who just... stops existing as soon as this part of the scene is over. Might even be intended to be Arthur, but that doesn't work.  ...Who... are you... ...Who are you fighting, Crewman Hitonari? ...Commander Gore? Snap out of it, Hitonari! That's an order!  This is represented by... no audio at all. Good job there.   My name is... Gore!? That's right, I'm Gore! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Palace of Pleasure   But Hitonari... That shout of yours from deep down broke the spell... ...And awakened my sleeping consciousness. Thank you, Hitonari. ...... The Ubergestalt is most likely meant to be a reference to the Nietzschean concept of the Ubermensch. A kind of superhuman-esque figure that is the epitome of humanity itself. Except he's not human, hence the gestalt; he's a being in a form in which it no longer belongs and is greater than the sum of its parts. It also might just because it lets you make a really awful pun. I see... That explains why I know so much... They tried to use me as their puppet. And it was you who pulled me back into the land of the living after I was fated to rot away here. My body is still the ubergestalt, but... > Gore is deep in thought...  Just in case you forgot, here's Gore telling you this for... what, the fourth time now? Yes, we get it. The Schwarzwelt is the deadly sins. We got it FOURTY HOURS AGO. loving christ. It's appeared on Earth many times now to wipe out declining civilizations. And now... It's us who's staring down the barrel of annihilation. I also understand the gravity of mankind's sins and that, frankly, we brought this on ourselves.> Gore took a step back... However... We are a species that has the power to adapt to any situation. Even at this very moment... The power to change our destiny is at work. Hitonari, I must travel the Schwarzwelt again. This time, to prepare to alter our fate. Now, go. Defeat Maya. The "Mothers" that awakened in the Schwarzwelt number four in total. Two have been defeated. Two are still seeking our destruction. In order to save the Earth... The Mothers must be eliminated. The fate of the Earth rests on us two...> Gore disappeared somewhere... Alright, so THAT was one giant plot-dump. Sort of. On the plus side, we learned that provided nothing goes awry (...again...) Grus is going to be the penultimate sector. The Land Where The Seed's Memories Lie Buried  The location of where I heard the voices of the Mothers is in sector Grus. That must be where Maya is. I'll send you the coordinates. Only 3 floors between us and Maya, huh? That doesn't seem too bad at all... Maya is one of the Mothers... Be careful. Plus side, the stairs down to B1F are right here so this might be even brisker than expected. We also need to leave the B Sanctum as the active area here, because we can't get anywhere otherwise.  The Sanctum might be simple but at least its consistent with itself. This kind of is as well, I guess, but it just FEELS worse. 1F was Antlia and Bootes, so B1F is just a purple/blue... Delphinus? Sure, sure why not.  Thankfully there is a terminal right here. Since we actually get to explore Grus for real now, we'll take a wee bit of a rest here before actually dealing with this.
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Feb 27, 2017 07:16
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Dragonatrix posted:Only 3 floors between us and Maya, huh? That doesn't seem too bad at all... Ah ha ha... ha ha... ha...
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Feb 27, 2017 10:20
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Oh now I remember grus I'm so sorry
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Feb 27, 2017 10:37
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Huh, so the Schwarzwelt has shown up on Earth "many times" in the past. That's a huge reveal! It means that humanity can undoubtedly win without surrendering to the chaos of demonkind or submitting themselves to the law of the angels. I hope going forward that the crew's morale is sky high after this. Also, now there's no reason to listen to Zelenin or Jimenez anymore!
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Feb 27, 2017 17:20
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i really like zelenin going from "angels are cool i guess" to "submit wholly to god's will" in the course of this dungeon and by really like i of course mean how does anyone pick law in this game without feeling like a dumbass
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Feb 27, 2017 17:27
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SweaterGear posted:Huh, so the Schwarzwelt has shown up on Earth "many times" in the past. That's a huge reveal! It means that humanity can undoubtedly win without surrendering to the chaos of demonkind or submitting themselves to the law of the angels. I hope going forward that the crew's morale is sky high after this. Also, now there's no reason to listen to Zelenin or Jimenez anymore! mandatory lesbian posted:i really like zelenin going from "angels are cool i guess" to "submit wholly to god's will" in the course of this dungeon
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Feb 27, 2017 17:33
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neongrey posted:Ah ha ha... ha ha... ha... "Oh, 3 floors? That doesn't sound too bad. Seems like the plot's finished so this should be easy enough now." ~ Me, as of about 2 years ago. "...Oh gently caress I gotta actually play Grus now. Yay.  " ~ Me, as of about 2 months ago.
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Feb 27, 2017 17:40
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Dragonatrix posted:"Oh, 3 floors? That doesn't sound too bad. Seems like the plot's finished so this should be easy enough now." ~ Me, as of about 2 years ago. Oh good, Hitonari's yell snapped you out of your craziness as well. I knew there was something wrong when you were so happy to go through Eridanus.
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Feb 27, 2017 19:35
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At this point Lusife was so broken by the game that you could almost hear his cries of despair in every post.
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Feb 27, 2017 20:13
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BlazeEmblem posted:Oh good, Hitonari's yell snapped you out of your craziness as well. I knew there was something wrong when you were so happy to go through Eridanus. Eridanus at least has a semblance of pacing in its design. Grus... there's reasons why I always forget Fornax exists but remember Grus.
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Hunt11 posted:At this point Lusife was so broken by the game that you could almost hear his cries of despair in every post. And that's not even getting into what he did to show off all the paths in the game. By that point he was little more than a shell of himself. Poor LP never got archived either if I remember correctly.
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