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jBrereton posted:It is pedantry but it does matter imo lol nothing matters
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Feb 21, 2017 12:38
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Tesseraction posted:lol nothing matters Why not?
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Feb 21, 2017 12:39
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Tesseraction posted:lol nothing matters
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Feb 21, 2017 12:40
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Another element of parliamentary procedure that often escapes folks - whips are traditionally a mark of respect for a bill's importance in a system built on tradition. The more important a bill is, the more required a political party is to signal its position on it by whipping. For example, the Syria vote, as a declaration of war, would traditionally be a two-line whip, which is why Corbyn was pounced upon for his weakness when he allowed a free vote. For constitutional amendments, a three-line whip is required - a party failing to have a position on something so important is a sign that they are no longer a party, but a collection of independent MPs. You can go for a lighter whip if you really want, but no whip at all is basically a resignation letter. Since Article 50 was functionally a constitutional amendment, that simply left Corbyn with a binary choice of which way to whip, and so he went for the option supported by a plurality of his voters and 70% of his constituencies.
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Feb 21, 2017 12:40
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Pissflaps posted:Why not? it's a c-spam reference for fellow c-spammer jbrererabbiton
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Feb 21, 2017 12:42
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forkboy84 posted:But sure, give May a pass for toadying up to the reactionary. Royal Visits are not the domain of the Prime Minister, not to mention many worse people than Donald Trump have had the red carpet laid out for them. Maybe I should twist words as pathetically as you and say, "Why, no President in almost two DECADES hasn't received an official invitation for a state visit!"
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Feb 21, 2017 12:45
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Darth Walrus posted:Another element of parliamentary procedure that often escapes folks.... Is there a dedicated think-tank for coming up with Corbyn excuses?
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Feb 21, 2017 12:45
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Christ if there was id be in there getting that sweet and easy think tank money
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Feb 21, 2017 12:50
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Pissflaps posted:Is there a dedicated think-tank for coming up with Corbyn excuses? this thread
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Feb 21, 2017 12:51
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Darth Walrus posted:Another element of parliamentary procedure that often escapes folks - whips are traditionally a mark of respect for a bill's importance in a system built on tradition. The more important a bill is, the more required a political party is to signal its position on it by whipping. For example, the Syria vote, as a declaration of war, would traditionally be a two-line whip, which is why Corbyn was pounced upon for his weakness when he allowed a free vote. For constitutional amendments, a three-line whip is required - a party failing to have a position on something so important is a sign that they are no longer a party, but a collection of independent MPs. You can go for a lighter whip if you really want, but no whip at all is basically a resignation letter. Since Article 50 was functionally a constitutional amendment, that simply left Corbyn with a binary choice of which way to whip, and so he went for the option supported by a plurality of his voters and 70% of his constituencies. Cheers, this actually explains pretty well why they whipped when it otherwise seems daft as gently caress Jeza posted:Royal Visits are not the domain of the Prime Minister, not to mention many worse people than Donald Trump have had the red carpet laid out for them. Actually, State Visits are usually suggested by the Foreign Office rather than the Queen's staff. So yeah, it is the domain of the PM.
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Feb 21, 2017 12:54
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Christ if there was id be in there getting that sweet and easy think tank money
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Feb 21, 2017 12:55
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Id rather read pissflaps quotes for a full day than discuss Milo of all the making GBS threads things in this godforsaken world
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Feb 21, 2017 12:55
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Jeza posted:Royal Visits are not the domain of the Prime Minister, not to mention many worse people than Donald Trump have had the red carpet laid out for them. Maybe I should twist words as pathetically as you and say, "Why, no President in almost two DECADES hasn't received an official invitation for a state visit!" What words have I twisted? Is using the official definition of state visit twisting words pathetically? What a weird criticism. And mate. I don't want to shock you but the royal family have gently caress all power in 21st century Britain. They do what they are told by the government. Lead by the Prime Minister. It's not Charles II's day anymore. It's not the Her Maj who decided to give Donald Trump all the pomp & circumstance, it's Theresa May for the precise reason of appealing to a vain, insecure reactionary fuckwit who we desperately need a favourable trade deal from since we've cut off our nose to spite our face & quit the EU.
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Feb 21, 2017 12:56
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TheRat posted:Id rather read pissflaps quotes for a full day than discuss Milo of all the making GBS threads things in this godforsaken world But it's good news. He's been ditched by CPAC and his book deal terminated. For the first time in his dumb idiot life he's actually getting the lovely end of the stick he usually beats trans people with.
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Feb 21, 2017 12:57
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Christ if there was id be in there getting that sweet and easy think tank money The position is unpaid
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Feb 21, 2017 12:57
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Jeza posted:Royal Visits are not the domain of the Prime Minister, not to mention many worse people than Donald Trump have had the red carpet laid out for them. Maybe I should twist words as pathetically as you and say, "Why, no President in almost two DECADES hasn't received an official invitation for a state visit!" yeah they are it's one of those things that officially the monarch has say over, but in reality it's a rubber stamp for the government's decision
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Feb 21, 2017 13:00
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Tesseraction posted:But it's good news. He's been ditched by CPAC and his book deal terminated. For the first time in his dumb idiot life he's actually getting the lovely end of the stick he usually beats trans people with. He's also pretty likely to get booted out of Breitbart, because apparently massive racism/sexism/homophobia are fine, but don't you dare defend kiddy fiddlers Good riddance, hopefully he'll gently caress all the way off from here.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:03
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Rigged Death Trap posted:Christ if there was id be in there getting that sweet and easy think tank money maybe the UKMT could become a think tank
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Feb 21, 2017 13:04
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mfcrocker posted:Cheers, this actually explains pretty well why they whipped when it otherwise seems daft as gently caress forkboy84 posted:And mate. I don't want to shock you but the royal family have gently caress all power in 21st century Britain. They do what they are told by the government. Lead by the Prime Minister. It's not Charles II's day anymore. It's not the Her Maj who decided to give Donald Trump all the pomp & circumstance, it's Theresa May for the precise reason of appealing to a vain, insecure reactionary fuckwit who we desperately need a favourable trade deal from since we've cut off our nose to spite our face & quit the EU. The committee who decides state visits: Sir Simon McDonald: Permanent Under Secretary of the Foreign & Commonwealth Office Christopher Geidt: Private Secretary to the Queen Clive Alderton: Private Secretary to Prince Charles Miguel Head: Private Secretary to Prince William Simon Case: Private Secretary to the Prime Minister Sir Alan Reid: Keeper of the Privy Purse and Treasurer to HM The Queen Sir Mark Lyall Grant: National Security Adviser Representative from International Trade Department Julian Evans: Foreign Office Director of Protocol forkboy84 posted:What words have I twisted? Is using the official definition of state visit twisting words pathetically? What a weird criticism. It's Daily Mail levels of retarded to talk about ONLY TWO STATE VISITS SINCE 1952, when the last two were the last sitting presidents. Ever heard of setting a precedent? Stretch the dates back as long as you want to make it sound as pseudo-relevant as you want. I call that twisting words.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:05
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Kurtofan posted:maybe the UKMT could become a think tank Tanks are unnecessarily militaristic. Maybe a think train.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:07
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The Milo case is only significant because it clearly defines what the defenders of 'free speech' really mean - speech that they find agreeable. They'll just go find another mouthpiece for transphobia, sexism, and racism that doesn't fit their image of gays as child predators. Hopefully Milo will be ignored forever though, but I wouldn't put a bet on it.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:10
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mfcrocker posted:He's also pretty likely to get booted out of Breitbart, because apparently massive racism/sexism/homophobia are fine, but don't you dare defend kiddy fiddlers radmonger posted:Tanks are unnecessarily militaristic. Maybe a think train.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:10
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radmonger posted:Tanks are unnecessarily militaristic. Maybe a think train. Tankies, in MY UKMT? It's more likely than you think
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Feb 21, 2017 13:11
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mfcrocker posted:Tankies, in MY UKMT? It's more likely than you think Someone shine the HorseLord signal
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Feb 21, 2017 13:13
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I mean just check out the handbrake turn here: https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/826983136550543361 https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/827543671364988928 https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/831218191435116544 https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/831577182900101120 screech..... https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/833829254458544129 https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/833852625057558528
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Feb 21, 2017 13:21
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MikeCrotch posted:Someone shine the HorseLord signal *shadow of an ice pick appears in the spotlight*
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Feb 21, 2017 13:22
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Fangz posted:I mean just check out the handbrake turn here: He might want to check into A&E to check that whiplash didn't cause permanent damage to his neck.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:23
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Darth Walrus posted:Another element of parliamentary procedure that often escapes folks - whips are traditionally a mark of respect for a bill's importance in a system built on tradition. The more important a bill is, the more required a political party is to signal its position on it by whipping. For example, the Syria vote, as a declaration of war, would traditionally be a two-line whip, which is why Corbyn was pounced upon for his weakness when he allowed a free vote. For constitutional amendments, a three-line whip is required - a party failing to have a position on something so important is a sign that they are no longer a party, but a collection of independent MPs. You can go for a lighter whip if you really want, but no whip at all is basically a resignation letter. Since Article 50 was functionally a constitutional amendment, that simply left Corbyn with a binary choice of which way to whip, and so he went for the option supported by a plurality of his voters and 70% of his constituencies. Citation needed on... well just about all of that, to be honest.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:24
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Jeza posted:It's Daily Mail levels of retarded to talk about ONLY TWO STATE VISITS SINCE 1952, when the last two were the last sitting presidents. Ever heard of setting a precedent? Stretch the dates back as long as you want to make it sound as pseudo-relevant as you want. I call that twisting words. It was not some date I picked at random, it's just what the source stated. If I found data that went back to 1992 or 1902 I'd have gone and said since that date. You're seeing things that aren't there. 2 in a row isn't a trend, and even if it was 10 in a row, there's something a mite different about Donald Trump. I'm phone posting so can't check but more relevant precedents would be Pinochet, Franco, Mussolini and other far right leaders.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:25
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Citation needed on... well just about all of that, to be honest. You can't demand a citation for feelings.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:26
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forkboy84 posted:It was not some date I picked at random, it's just what the source stated. If I found data that went back to 1992 or 1902 I'd have gone and said since that date. You're seeing things that aren't there. The one brought out in the commons when discussing this was that China spoke to parliament on a recent (last few years) visit, and god knows their human rights abuses are worse. My argument is that surely we should be upholding the "Leader of the Free World" to a higher standard than a superpower we don't stand up to because it'd cripple our economy.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:27
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Kurtofan posted:maybe the UKMT could become a think tank We'd not be the dumbest think tank in the country, not when the Taxpayer's Alliance is out there.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:27
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mehall posted:The one brought out in the commons when discussing this was that China spoke to parliament on a recent (last few years) visit, and god knows their human rights abuses are worse. If "Cameron did dumb thing X" means "May can do dumb thing Y" then lol.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:30
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forkboy84 posted:We'd not be the dumbest think tank in the country, not when the Taxpayer's Alliance is out there. did u kno that tax is bad makes u think (tank)!!!
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Feb 21, 2017 13:33
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radmonger posted:Tanks are unnecessarily militaristic. Maybe a think train. The Tiny Train Society
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Feb 21, 2017 13:35
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TheRat posted:Id rather read pissflaps quotes for a full day than discuss Milo of all the making GBS threads things in this godforsaken world Lucky for you - in this thread you can do both! While the tory plan to cut hospital services in nearly two-thirds of England in order to funnel money to their interests in private healthcare goes undiscussed.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:36
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Maybe Pissflaps would find an audience in the United States.
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Feb 21, 2017 13:37
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Kurtofan posted:Maybe Pissflaps would find an audience in the United States. I've been several times and always had a warm reception.
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Kurtofan posted:Maybe Pissflaps would find an audience in the United States. being from teeside he has the wrong accent for it
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